POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

[Deleted member 3166]

*puts on the tinfoil*

It's almost as if that's what they want the next time a Dem is in office...

And it would blow up in their face (as it should)

 

[rufus]

And it would blow up in their face (as it should)

Cause Repubs would forget all about the last two years, and attack them relentlessly for it.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

Great! Then vote out Chump in 2020 and let new Dem administration pursue criminal charges against anybody in his administration, including himself, who has rubles in their bank account.

Does anyone here really think that once Trump is out of office the next administration is going to allow him to be pursued on criminal charges? Good luck with that. That's why it's so funny when everyone was asking Mueller whether the President could be prosecuted after he left office.

No one as President would permit that, because some day they too will be leaving office.

 

[Rogie21]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More interesting: WHY did growth fall below 3%? Answer: "largely due to lower business investment and exports than previously estimated" - ie the Trump tax cut has failed and the Trump trade war is accumulating casualties <a href="https://t.co/FveVrn16un">https://t.co/FveVrn16un</a></p>— David Frum (@davidfrum) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1154735658327347200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Time for Dems to rip holes in the "booming economy" claims and point out the failure of the GOP Tax Cuts. And let's replay that soundbyte of Trump claiming he would eliminate the national debt in eight years.

 

[bronconick]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

Does anyone here really think that once Trump is out of office the next administration is going to allow him to be pursued on criminal charges? Good luck with that. That's why it's so funny when everyone was asking Mueller whether the President could be prosecuted after he left office.

No one as President would permit that, because some day they too will be leaving office.

I have the rare fever dream where the New York AG who gives zero farks about DC politics chases down Trump in 2021.

I know, I know.

 

[rufus]

Does anyone here really think that once Trump is out of office the next administration is going to allow him to be pursued on criminal charges? Good luck with that. That's why it's so funny when everyone was asking Mueller whether the President could be prosecuted after he left office.

No one as President would permit that, because some day they too will be leaving office.

Not everyone who's been president is a criminal.

Those that have been though, do tend to come from the R side. At least in the modern era.

 

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

Does anyone here really think that once Trump is out of office the next administration is going to allow him to be pursued on criminal charges? Good luck with that. That's why it's so funny when everyone was asking Mueller whether the President could be prosecuted after he left office.

No one as President would permit that, because some day they too will be leaving office.

Depends on who wins. I don't see Biden's Justice Dept going after Chump. Harris? I do. Not sure about Warren or Sanders. Also as another poster suggested it doesn't need to be the Justice Dept bringing charges.

However, I CAN see members of his administration getting charged. There's plenty of precedent for that and while that's not as satisfying as seeing Trump hauled off in leg irons they are co-conspirators and get what they deserve.

 

[alfablue]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

Does anyone here really think that once Trump is out of office the next administration is going to allow him to be pursued on criminal charges? Good luck with that. That's why it's so funny when everyone was asking Mueller whether the President could be prosecuted after he left office.

No one as President would permit that, because some day they too will be leaving office.

That has to be one of the dumbest reasons to not prosecute I've ever heard. How many Presidents clearly broke a law to the point that there could be a civil prosecution within the US? I'm not talking about UN things, but actual US laws that were broken?

Run a clean Presidency, and there will be no chance of civil prosecution post service. Done.

On the other hand, the fact that you assume that every President breaks the law does explain why very few people like you are upset that this moron is so corrupt. Nice to see that so many of our country has been brainwashed into a situation that questions whether we should be a democracy or not... Thanks for thinking, hovey. Makes for a wonderful future with half the country like you.... Putin is happy with your core assumptions.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More interesting: WHY did growth fall below 3%? Answer: "largely due to lower business investment and exports than previously estimated" - ie the Trump tax cut has failed and the Trump trade war is accumulating casualties <a href="https://t.co/FveVrn16un">https://t.co/FveVrn16un</a></p>— David Frum (@davidfrum) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1154735658327347200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Time for Dems to rip holes in the "booming economy" claims and point out the failure of the GOP Tax Cuts. And let's replay that soundbyte of Trump claiming he would eliminate the national debt in eight years.

Frum attacking Dump for betraying the principles of movement conservatism is one thing. Frum attacking Dump for carrying out the principles of movement conservatism is another. This tweet amazes me. This is like when David Stockman woke up and realized Reaganomics was a fraud.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More interesting: WHY did growth fall below 3%? Answer: "largely due to lower business investment and exports than previously estimated" - ie the Trump tax cut has failed and the Trump trade war is accumulating casualties <a href="https://t.co/FveVrn16un">https://t.co/FveVrn16un</a></p>— David Frum (@davidfrum) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1154735658327347200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Time for Dems to rip holes in the "booming economy" claims and point out the failure of the GOP Tax Cuts. And let's replay that soundbyte of Trump claiming he would eliminate the national debt in eight years.

The Trump Tax Cut was always going to fail. It was always about shareholders.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

That has to be one of the dumbest reasons to not prosecute I've ever heard. How many Presidents clearly broke a law to the point that there could be a civil prosecution within the US? I'm not talking about UN things, but actual US laws that were broken?

Run a clean Presidency, and there will be no chance of civil prosecution post service. Done.

On the other hand, the fact that you assume that every President breaks the law does explain why very few people like you are upset that this moron is so corrupt. Nice to see that so many of our country has been brainwashed into a situation that questions whether we should be a democracy or not... Thanks for thinking, hovey. Makes for a wonderful future with half the country like you.... Putin is happy with your core assumptions.

I said nothing of the sort in my post. My post is simply an observation that most Presidents like whatever built in institutional protections/advantages/powers have been made available to them, primarily due to their predecessors. That's why you don't see too many of them biatching about use of executive orders, because they'd like to use executive orders too.

All I'm saying is I just don't see any administration that will want to be the first to send the feds after an ex-President, no matter how bad they think he or she might be. They just won't want to set that precedent, no matter how clean they think they are themselves. I guarantee you every President has thought they were 100% law abiding. None of them worry about getting prosecuted for their crimes because none of them think they've committed any crimes, and personally I think that's been largely true.

Let's say you're a newly elected President and you have all of these ideas on things to accomplish. Do you want the distraction of the incredible sideshow of the ex-President getting prosecuted? No chance.

It has nothing to do with whether someone did or did not violate the law.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

Does anyone here really think that once Trump is out of office the next administration is going to allow him to be pursued on criminal charges? Good luck with that. That's why it's so funny when everyone was asking Mueller whether the President could be prosecuted after he left office.

No one as President would permit that, because some day they too will be leaving office.

We may be near a President who wants to rein the office in, after all this. Certainly not an ambitious career pol like Biden or Harris, but I can see an outside reformer like Warren or Sanders pursuing charges against Dump.

Generally speaking, we do not want to be Brazil, where every change of government is also a prosecution of the former government. We saw this with Obama walking away from Cheney and not prosecuting his administration for their many war crimes and assorted criminal behavior. We even saw it to a lesser extent with Dubya, who could probably have tried to go after Slick Willy. Oh, man, remember when that was the level of corruption that disturbed Washington? Our innocence was adorable...

But Dump is so egregious I'd make an exception. This guy is the GOAT both for selling the country out for personal wealth and for knowingly and deliberately putting our democracy in peril by using an adversary government to twist our elections. That's insane. It's literally never going to be topped. Dump should cool his heels in federal PITA prison for the rest of his life for what he's done (and is still doing). And we better punish him or somebody in the future will try it again, and that person will be much, much smarter.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

And let's replay that soundbyte of Trump claiming he would eliminate the national debt in eight years.

No one cares about the debt, except Republicans when a Democrat is in office.

 

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

I guarantee you every President has thought they were 100% law abiding. None of them worry about getting prosecuted for their crimes because none of them think they've committed any crimes, and personally I think that's been largely true.

This statement isn't true. Nixon openly speculated about going to jail. If he didn't think he was doing anything wrong he wouldn't have worked so hard to hide, and in one case erase, the tapes.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

I guarantee you every President has thought they were 100% law abiding.

Harding joked about how corrupt he and his administration were. It was like a contest to see who could steal more.

Lincoln knew his suspension of habeas corpus was unconstitutional. He felt it was worth it but he was under no illusions.

 

[alfablue]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

I said nothing of the sort in my post. My post is simply an observation that most Presidents like whatever built in institutional protections/advantages/powers have been made available to them, primarily due to their predecessors. That's why you don't see too many of them biatching about use of executive orders, because they'd like to use executive orders too.

All I'm saying is I just don't see any administration that will want to be the first to send the feds after an ex-President, no matter how bad they think he or she might be. They just won't want to set that precedent, no matter how clean they think they are themselves. I guarantee you every President has thought they were 100% law abiding. None of them worry about getting prosecuted for their crimes because none of them think they've committed any crimes, and personally I think that's been largely true.

Let's say you're a newly elected President and you have all of these ideas on things to accomplish. Do you want the distraction of the incredible sideshow of the ex-President getting prosecuted? No chance.

It has nothing to do with whether someone did or did not violate the law.

Yes, you said exactly that- let me quote you:

No one as President would permit that, because some day they too will be leaving office.

The ONLY way it would matter that they risk some kind of legal backlash when they leave office is if they broke the law. Which says that you think every President risks civil action when they leave office. Therefore, to avoid the risk of civil action when you leave office, the next President will not prosecute Trump.

Your new "excuse" is that the President will not be prosecuted for breaking the law because they are above the law- which is this line-

Presidents like whatever built in institutional protections/advantages/powers have been made available to them,

Which is also 100% bs.

IMHO, there SHOULD be a precedent set that a former President should be prosecuted to the letter of the law. That would be exactly the same thing as R's bringing back the Federal death penalty- a deterrent for any future President to break any standing law.

We've spend far to long getting used to this horrible behavior of this guy- he's directly making money on OUR tax dollars. He's also directly making money via foreign governments and his hotels. Both are totally not legal- one is even mentioned in the Constitution. His cronies have broken the law- some have gone to jail, some will be soon. Other cronies have been profiting on our backs and the policies that they are setting- I dunno about you, but if I did anything like that at work, I'd be fired, and prosecuted if laws were broken.

Stop making excuses for this guy.

Of all the things that have come out of the Muller report, it a very sad disappointment that people like you just accept this horrible behavior, and worse, don't seem to mind that foreign entities are trying to influence our system of government. I used to think we all, at least, had a desire for a continuation of this experiment that has worked pretty darned well for 240 years. Now I think there are people who are out there to totally undermine it. And I'm pointing at you, hovey, drew, sic and joe. You make me very sad.

Thankfully, since I'm a white male, I will not be told to go back where I came from.

 

[alfablue]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

We may be near a President who wants to rein the office in, after all this. Certainly not an ambitious career pol like Biden or Harris, but I can see an outside reformer like Warren or Sanders pursuing charges against Dump.

Generally speaking, we do not want to be Brazil, where every change of government is also a prosecution of the former government. We saw this with Obama walking away from Cheney and not prosecuting his administration for their many war crimes and assorted criminal behavior. We even saw it to a lesser extent with Dubya, who could probably have tried to go after Slick Willy. Oh, man, remember when that was the level of corruption that disturbed Washington? Our innocence was adorable...

But Dump is so egregious I'd make an exception. This guy is the GOAT both for selling the country out for personal wealth and for knowingly and deliberately putting our democracy in peril by using an adversary government to twist our elections. That's insane. It's literally never going to be topped. Dump should cool his heels in federal PITA prison for the rest of his life for what he's done (and is still doing). And we better punish him or somebody in the future will try it again, and that person will be much, much smarter.

It's one thing to have war crimes, that we've somehow made legal runs around for many years.

It's another when you are breaking the law trying to prevent an investigation surrounding a foreign government trying to change your form of government. The latter is really serious to the future ability of this country to even survive.

Enough is enough. This guy and all of his cronies should go to jail.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

Yes, you said exactly that- let me quote you:



The ONLY way it would matter that they risk some kind of legal backlash when they leave office is if they broke the law. Which says that you think every President risks civil action when they leave office. Therefore, to avoid the risk of civil action when you leave office, the next President will not prosecute Trump.

Your new "excuse" is that the President will not be prosecuted for breaking the law because they are above the law- which is this line-

Which is also 100% bs.

IMHO, there SHOULD be a precedent set that a former President should be prosecuted to the letter of the law. That would be exactly the same thing as R's bringing back the Federal death penalty- a deterrent for any future President to break any standing law.

We've spend far to long getting used to this horrible behavior of this guy- he's directly making money on OUR tax dollars. He's also directly making money via foreign governments and his hotels. Both are totally not legal- one is even mentioned in the Constitution. His cronies have broken the law- some have gone to jail, some will be soon. Other cronies have been profiting on our backs and the policies that they are setting- I dunno about you, but if I did anything like that at work, I'd be fired, and prosecuted if laws were broken.

Stop making excuses for this guy.

Of all the things that have come out of the Muller report, it a very sad disappointment that people like you just accept this horrible behavior, and worse, don't seem to mind that foreign entities are trying to influence our system of government. I used to think we all, at least, had a desire for a continuation of this experiment that has worked pretty darned well for 240 years. Now I think there are people who are out there to totally undermine it. And I'm pointing at you, hovey, drew, sic and joe. You make me very sad.

Thankfully, since I'm a white male, I will not be told to go back where I came from.

With respect to my comment that I said nothing of the sort in my post, I was specifically responding to your comment that I assumed every President breaks the law. I should have broken apart your post to make my response particular to that sentence, but I took the lazy way out.

Second, your posts seem to think that I endorse Trump's actions or any criminal behavior he may have engaged in while in office. I do nothing of the sort. I'm all in favor of prosecuting lawbreakers.

All I'm saying is that some people in this country are setting themselves up for additional disappointment if they think Trump is going to be doing a perp walk after he's out of office because the next administration is going to go after him. The political realities of it are that it's not going to happen, imho. I might be proven wrong, and by all means it won't bother me to see him in jail. He is, at his best, a con artist.

 

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

Eyes on the prize, people. I have no idea if Trump will be prosecuted if he leaves office in 2021 after being defeated for re-election. I do know with 100% certainty that he will not be prosecuted at any point if he wins re-election.

 

[Handyman]

Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

Frum attacking Dump for betraying the principles of movement conservatism is one thing. Frum attacking Dump for carrying out the principles of movement conservatism is another. This tweet amazes me. This is like when David Stockman woke up and realized Reaganomics was a fraud.

Frum hates Trump and has since he announced he was running. And this isnt "I hate him cause he is doing the bad things wrong" type of hate Frum truly cant stand him or his politics. Frum does not support what the GOP is under this administration and I have heard him basically pray for Democratic victories.