POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

This is part of the long game, your chances of getting more progressives in congress via one in the white house increases drastically.

Doubtful. Obama was horrible at getting his anyone in his party elected. If anything he was a drag on all of them.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

This is part of the long game, your chances of getting more progressives in congress via one in the white house increases drastically.

The demonization of the left as "radical leftists" by the center feeds the demonization of the center as "radical leftists" by the right. When our moderates slander the left they are playing into the hands of the right.

Our center spends more time attacking liberals than reactionaries and every penny they spend on that attack is returned to them with interest when the right attacks them in the same language.

The way to fight the right is to legitimize left interests and policies, not undermine them.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

Doubtful. Obama was horrible at getting his anyone in his party elected. If anything he was a drag on all of them.

That's not what trix was saying; you reversed the causal arrows.

As to the myth that Obama lost downticket races that has been statistically refuted by 538. He was average for an 8-year presidency.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

Doubtful. Obama was horrible at getting his anyone in his party elected. If anything he was a drag on all of them.

Obama was terrible at getting anyone other than himself elected. Bernie at least has built some of the infrastructure needed to do that already.

 

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

That's not what trix was saying; you reversed the causal arrows.

As to the myth that Obama lost downticket races that has been statistically refuted by 538. He was average for an 8-year presidency.

On top of that a Prez is only going to last 8 years at most, while you guys are shooting for a generational change in leadership. That takes time and victories over multiple election cycles. FDR's New Deal coalition lasted almost 25 years after his death. For the type of changes you seek, you'll need something similar. Progressives have to start winning tough races up and down the ballot. IMO there's too much desire for instant gratification by electing some uber liberal as President. That's all well and good but he/she would be dealing with the same negotiations and compromises that Obama dealt with. That understanding seems to be lacking in some corners of the progressive movement right now.

 

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

Obama was terrible at getting anyone other than himself elected. Bernie at least has built some of the infrastructure needed to do that already.

Name me all of the Bernie endorsed candidates who've won in swing or "red" districts. He's been in office since like 1990, so you should be able to rattle off about a dozen no problem.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

The infrastructure wasn't built until 2016 and limiting it to red states/swing states when AOC beat out one of the highest people in the DNC as a bartender with no backing from the party is dumb and you know it. Beating other incumbents in safe blue districts where the incumbent has every advantage is still impressive.

And as mentioned before you have narrow losses like Eastman who probably win if the party actually supported primary challengers.

 

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

The infrastructure wasn't built until 2016 and limiting it to red states/swing states when AOC beat out one of the highest people in the DNC as a bartender with no backing from the party is dumb and you know it.

So Sanders has been sitting around with his thumb up is a ss for 26 years until 2016? Great.

AOC won more on ethnicity and a low turnout election than any progressive uprising. I consider her an upgrade over the anonymous Congresscritter she replaced, much like Pressley has more potential than Capuano ever did in Mass because he was basically a ghost. If that victory had the legs (that one's for you mookie ) that you think it does, we'd be reading about Governor Cynthia Nixon right now.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

Cynthia Nixon lost to an incumbent who outspent her by something like 500:1 lmao. Even then she got him to move left on some issues and helped get rid of the IDC members who held up every progressive bill that came their way.

And Bernie didn't run for president until 2016 so this idea that he was sitting around or whatever is really stupid.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

Cynthia Nixon lost to an incumbent who outspent her by something like 500:1 lmao.

Facts have no business in this thread. Be gone.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

Facts have no business in this thread. Be gone.

yEaH bUt iF shE wAs gOoD sHe'D wIn

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

The bird who hit my window understands economics more than this pile of dung

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In order not to pay Tariffs, if they start rising, companies will leave Mexico, which has taken 30% of our Auto Industry, and come back home to the USA. Mexico must take back their country from the drug lords and cartels. The Tariff is about stopping drugs as well as illegals!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1134466523114999809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

He literally doesn't know that importers pay tariffs. He has to be the dumbest and most ignorant elected official in the US, at any level. He knows nothing.

 

[rufus]

Ummm.....he passed healthcare legislation for an extra 30M people and tax hikes on the rich?

Your second sentence is kinda the point. If you want progressive legislation enacted, do the hard work to get progressives elected in congressional swing districts and states. Don't just expect a president to hand out an edict to make it happen.

8 years in office, and that's all you got? Never mind it was too convoluted and cobbled together that it never did work very well, and has subsequently been all but eviscerated by the following administration.

But you keep patting yourself on the back for that one.

 

[rufus]

The bird who hit my window understands economics more than this pile of dung

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In order not to pay Tariffs, if they start rising, companies will leave Mexico, which has taken 30% of our Auto Industry, and come back home to the USA. Mexico must take back their country from the drug lords and cartels. The Tariff is about stopping drugs as well as illegals!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1134466523114999809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mexico has not "taken" one bit of our auto industry. Our auto industry quite happily gave it to them. Made a lot of already rich people a lot richer that way.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

He literally doesn't know that importers pay tariffs. He has to be the dumbest and most ignorant elected official in the US, at any level. He knows nothing.

Why doesn’t he just declare global tariffs? Because companies will just move to other countries. New executive order- force all business t be done in Murcia! Like limited government should

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

8 years in office, and that's all you got? Never mind it was too convoluted and cobbled together that it never did work very well, and has subsequently been all but eviscerated by the following administration.

But you keep patting yourself on the back for that one.

The patient protections were the best part and still exist to this day so credit given where it's due. It had some means tested overly complicated medicaid expansion which was better than nothing I guess.

But you're right, that's about it and acting like the midterm results had nothing to do with how Obama handled things in the first 2 years of his presidency (basically abandoning the progressive wing of the party) would be naive.

 

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

The patient protections were the best part and still exist to this day so credit given where it's due. It had some means tested overly complicated medicaid expansion which was better than nothing I guess.

But you're right, that's about it and acting like the midterm results had nothing to do with how Obama handled things in the first 2 years of his presidency (basically abandoning the progressive wing of the party) would be naive.

I'm really curious how you and rufus imagine a candidate capturing the nomination of the party in 2020 by claiming Obama accomplished nothing of consequence during his tenure. Even though he's widely popular with the Dem base. I mean, are you going to open with that?

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

We can all agree we need to elect more liberals at every level. A centrist President with a liberal Congress is better than a liberal President with a centrist Congress. And a liberal SCOTUS is much better than either, but to get that you need liberal nominees which probably means both a liberal President and a liberal Congress.

It's a false choice: we either all keep making progress or we all fail.

 

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

We can all agree we need to elect more liberals at every level. A centrist President with a liberal Congress is better than a liberal President with a centrist Congress. And a liberal SCOTUS is much better than either, but to get that you need liberal nominees which probably means both a liberal President and a liberal Congress.

It's a false choice: we either all keep making progress or we all fail.

Confused by your SCOTUS statement. ConservaDem Presidents Clinton and Obama gave the court RBG, Breyer, Sotomayer and Kagan. What gives?