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POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
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ScoobyDoo
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Not really. One side does a better of job of holding their nose and voting (R). The Three G's are very powerful motivators.
Not really. One side does a better of job of holding their nose and voting (R). The Three G's are very powerful motivators.
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IF you voted it was a foregone conclusion, which people decided not to do. Way too much attitude of "oh someone else will do the voting so I can stay home or vote Gary Johnson". As perhaps it was you who said maybe people will be cured of this complacency after dealing with Trump for 4 years, but that's a hell of a price to pay to be woken up out of their laziness. Republicans always show up. Would be nice if Dems would do the same...
IF you voted it was a foregone conclusion, which people decided not to do. Way too much attitude of "oh someone else will do the voting so I can stay home or vote Gary Johnson". As perhaps it was you who said maybe people will be cured of this complacency after dealing with Trump for 4 years, but that's a hell of a price to pay to be woken up out of their laziness. Republicans always show up. Would be nice if Dems would do the same...
trixR4kids
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They enacted voter ID, that explains some of it but not all. People like my brother and dad didn't like Hillary and one voted for Johnson the other Trump (to be fair I'm not entirely sure my dad actually voted Obama but he claims he did, he definitely voted Bush over Kerry). I gave my brother crap about not voting for Hillary but honestly I can see how the average person who doesn't read a ton about politics got overwhelmed by all the (mostly fake) scandals that surrounded her.
Agreed, I think there's some responsibility there on them to show up and vote. But I think the DNC needs to do a better job of bringing in someone who's not Hillary and generating fear/excitement/both. The first should be easier this time around, we all know what we have to fear. The second depends on the candidate and doing a better job of selling them.
And yet they they still had 3 million less votes. It should've been even more than that but like I said the DNC needs to do a better job.
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I cannot explain Johnson v. Feingold. Some smart people probably can, but I sure can't.
I really like Feingold's blend of liberalism and independence, and his election was going to soothe some of the pain from Walker and other political idiocy taking place in Wisconsin in recent years.
I cannot explain Johnson v. Feingold. Some smart people probably can, but I sure can't.
I really like Feingold's blend of liberalism and independence, and his election was going to soothe some of the pain from Walker and other political idiocy taking place in Wisconsin in recent years.
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Trump is such a POS How hard is it to take responsibility? As the CIC that signed off on the raid, it falls on him. Own it. Oh, and maybe don't lie about how valuable the intelligence gathered was either.
Trump is such a POS How hard is it to take responsibility? As the CIC that signed off on the raid, it falls on him. Own it. Oh, and maybe don't lie about how valuable the intelligence gathered was either.
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I dont think there is a rift, I think it is more that a large faction of the Left feels Castro is too "Centrist". There isnt anything wrong about it except that when the when the Dems are too far to the center the Progressive Wing tends to be ignored.
As a person who is not a Dem (but is obviously a Lefty) I have to say that the problem the Dems are always going to have is that they dont have the balls to be a true Left Party. They are too afraid that the center will abandon them so they kiss butt to the middle and assume the Left will follow like the Far Right does with the GOP. That was mostly true until Progressive Candidates started making waves. There is a reason why the Bernie states became problematic for Hillary...
I think Castro is fine (and is more than qualified) and if he and Ellison can work together and make a smart Progressive Agenda (not uber Left but not Wall Street Limo Liberal Either) it can be a win/win. If the Dems want to win they need to appeal to more than just the base.
I dont think there is a rift, I think it is more that a large faction of the Left feels Castro is too "Centrist". There isnt anything wrong about it except that when the when the Dems are too far to the center the Progressive Wing tends to be ignored.
As a person who is not a Dem (but is obviously a Lefty) I have to say that the problem the Dems are always going to have is that they dont have the balls to be a true Left Party. They are too afraid that the center will abandon them so they kiss butt to the middle and assume the Left will follow like the Far Right does with the GOP. That was mostly true until Progressive Candidates started making waves. There is a reason why the Bernie states became problematic for Hillary...
I think Castro is fine (and is more than qualified) and if he and Ellison can work together and make a smart Progressive Agenda (not uber Left but not Wall Street Limo Liberal Either) it can be a win/win. If the Dems want to win they need to appeal to more than just the base.
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I had this discussion with my cousin's wife who's a school teacher in a run down district in Massachusetts who was all in on Gary Johnson. She's posting on Facebook how horrified she is about Trump and DeVos prompting me to ask her who she voted for. Her explanation was that since MA wasn't a swing state her vote didn't matter so she was free to vote her conscience or some such nonsense (not sure how Gary Johnson's stances on federal $$$ for ed jive with her profession, but whatever). I politely explained to her that basically she was expecting someone else to do the voting for her. She sitting in Mass could go on social media and publically profess her purity and incorruptible principles leading up to the election by voting 3d party.....BUT everybody in swing states needed to be corruptible and not pure and vote Hillary to keep Trump from office.
What's to stop the people in swing states from also wanting to declare their purity as well and vote 3rd party or not vote? Answer - nothing, which is why Trump is President.
People, think about what you're doing before you vote (or not). Amazes me how little appreciation even educated citizens have for the consequences for their actions.
I had this discussion with my cousin's wife who's a school teacher in a run down district in Massachusetts who was all in on Gary Johnson. She's posting on Facebook how horrified she is about Trump and DeVos prompting me to ask her who she voted for. Her explanation was that since MA wasn't a swing state her vote didn't matter so she was free to vote her conscience or some such nonsense (not sure how Gary Johnson's stances on federal $$$ for ed jive with her profession, but whatever). I politely explained to her that basically she was expecting someone else to do the voting for her. She sitting in Mass could go on social media and publically profess her purity and incorruptible principles leading up to the election by voting 3d party.....BUT everybody in swing states needed to be corruptible and not pure and vote Hillary to keep Trump from office.
What's to stop the people in swing states from also wanting to declare their purity as well and vote 3rd party or not vote? Answer - nothing, which is why Trump is President.People, think about what you're doing before you vote (or not). Amazes me how little appreciation even educated citizens have for the consequences for their actions.
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You dont do that now...you wait until things get real bad then you offer them a lifeline. Let the GOP bury itself in 1 month they have done more damage to the brand than the Dems could ever do to them.
If the Dems go full tilt now in trying to appeal to the disenfranchised come the midterms it will all be forgotten. The Dems will fix the problem and Rust Belters will go right back to hating them because they arent engaged anymore. Trump and the GOP will gin up something to fear and the BS continues. When the jobs dont return a year/year and a half from now, when economies are tanking and the lies are piling up THEN you start to show them the light. When they cant get insurance and their unemployment is drying up they will make a different decision than they will if everything is back to status quo.
The Dems tried to give everyone everything and hope they saw the light. But like teenagers with too much freedom they took advantage and stayed out past curfew and came home drunk from the party. Well, now they have to deal with the consequences.
You dont do that now...you wait until things get real bad then you offer them a lifeline. Let the GOP bury itself in 1 month they have done more damage to the brand than the Dems could ever do to them.
If the Dems go full tilt now in trying to appeal to the disenfranchised come the midterms it will all be forgotten. The Dems will fix the problem and Rust Belters will go right back to hating them because they arent engaged anymore. Trump and the GOP will gin up something to fear and the BS continues. When the jobs dont return a year/year and a half from now, when economies are tanking and the lies are piling up THEN you start to show them the light. When they cant get insurance and their unemployment is drying up they will make a different decision than they will if everything is back to status quo.
The Dems tried to give everyone everything and hope they saw the light. But like teenagers with too much freedom they took advantage and stayed out past curfew and came home drunk from the party. Well, now they have to deal with the consequences.
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I won't argue with whatever you wrote since you did a fine job yourself.
I won't argue with whatever you wrote since you did a fine job yourself.
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FTA: "my generals are the most respected that we’ve had in many decades, I believe"
What the hell
FTA: "my generals are the most respected that we’ve had in many decades, I believe"
What the hell
ScoobyDoo
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ScoobyDoo
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Yes, we elected a flaming narcissist. And, again, I thank God my conscience is clear. Cause, if it weren't I couldn't live with myself.
Yes, we elected a flaming narcissist. And, again, I thank God my conscience is clear. Cause, if it weren't I couldn't live with myself.
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Betsy DeVos wants you to know that it's a good thing if someone breaks your legs, because then you learn to use your arms a lot, and it's good to have a choice in what limbs help you get around!
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
Betsy DeVos wants you to know that it's a good thing if someone breaks your legs, because then you learn to use your arms a lot, and it's good to have a choice in what limbs help you get around!
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
Handyman
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Handyman
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"This was a mission that was started before I got here. This was something they wanted to do,” he said. “They came to me, they explained what they wanted to do ― the generals ― who are very respected, my generals are the most respected that we’ve had in many decades, I believe. And they lost Ryan."
That is some next level spinning and ducking...
"This was a mission that was started before I got here. This was something they wanted to do,” he said. “They came to me, they explained what they wanted to do ― the generals ― who are very respected, my generals are the most respected that we’ve had in many decades, I believe. And they lost Ryan."
That is some next level spinning and ducking...
busterman62
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IIRC, Harry Truman had the sign on his desk that said "The Buck Stops Here". tDonald has a Wheel of Fortune. Round & Round she goes. Where she stops.....we'll blame that guy
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This increase is greater than the entire defense budget of Russia, right?
I saw a figure of $604.5B for our defense budget and 59.9B for Russia (3rd largest in the world). IF OUR 10% INCREASE WERE ITS OWN COUNTRY, IT WOULD BE THE 3RD MOST COSTLY MILITARY IN THE WORLD!
***! I'd like to see us get down to 300B (about the same as the next four countries combined), and I'd like to see the rest of NATO step it up a little. Mind our own business.
This increase is greater than the entire defense budget of Russia, right?
I saw a figure of $604.5B for our defense budget and 59.9B for Russia (3rd largest in the world). IF OUR 10% INCREASE WERE ITS OWN COUNTRY, IT WOULD BE THE 3RD MOST COSTLY MILITARY IN THE WORLD!
***! I'd like to see us get down to 300B (about the same as the next four countries combined), and I'd like to see the rest of NATO step it up a little. Mind our own business.
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