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POTUS 45:47: I Never Said There Was No Collusion!

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5mn_Major said:
And why is big tech bad? Is it because it's both progressive and liberal?

Note: except MS Word, there are no tech monopolies.
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No, it's because competition breeds great innovation. Monopolies and oligopolies tend to make minor tweaks to existing products.
 
St. Clown said:
No, it's because competition breeds great innovation. Monopolies and oligopolies tend to make minor tweaks to existing products.
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But, so long as they aren't engaging in anti-competitive practices, their incrementalism leaves them vulnerable to being leapfrogged by new competitors - if there is market demand for a significantly better product. Think Kodak trying to sell incrementally better film. They're the Death Star - immensely powerful, but vulnerable to small, nimble opponents.
 
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St. Clown said:
No, it's because competition breeds great innovation. Monopolies and oligopolies tend to make minor tweaks to existing products.
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True. And it's one of the central reasons why IT is a crap job right now.
 
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St. Clown said:
No, it's because competition breeds great innovation. Monopolies and oligopolies tend to make minor tweaks to existing products.
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Exactly. Tesla thinks they can compete with all of the OEM's in the world because of their experience without competition.

Once they started to try, they found out that that auto industry is one of THE most competitive markets- given the number of manufacturers and the choice of cars.

Make big tech have to deal with the same kind of competition, all using the same kind of constraints (like all cars drive on the same roads, use common fuel, all maintain safety and emissions limits, etc as examples), and we would ALL be a lot better off. The fast pace of progress would speed up along with the quality of work, and the price would drop.

BTW, 5mn_Major- who is Facebook's competition? On a large scale, not minor one. Who is a scale competitor for Google? And ignoring the name plates- who is the scale competitor for who makes most of the computers in the world?

There are a TON of monopolies in tech relative to other markets.
 
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LynahFan said:
But, so long as they aren't engaging in anti-competitive practices, their incrementalism leaves them vulnerable to being leapfrogged by new competitors - if there is market demand for a significantly better product. Think Kodak trying to sell incrementally better film. They're the Death Star - immensely powerful, but vulnerable to small, nimble opponents.
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Yes, and we've seen that. The problem that some people see is that the Tech Empire doesn't try to out-duel the Tech Rebel forces with better products, rather the Rebels now just take some cash and start working for the Empire.
 
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LynahFan said:
But, so long as they aren't engaging in anti-competitive practices, their incrementalism leaves them vulnerable to being leapfrogged by new competitors - if there is market demand for a significantly better product. Think Kodak trying to sell incrementally better film. They're the Death Star - immensely powerful, but vulnerable to small, nimble opponents.
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Only if it's actually scaleable, and when it becomes that- it's not gobbled up by bigger fish.
 
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St. Clown said:
No, it's because competition breeds great innovation. Monopolies and oligopolies tend to make minor tweaks to existing products.
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I guess I have to agree with AOC on monopolies. They aren't great for the consumer when it comes to innovation or driving prices down.
 
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St. Clown said:
Yes, and we've seen that. The problem that some people see is that the Tech Empire doesn't try to out-duel the Tech Rebel forces with better products, rather the Rebels now just take some cash and start working for the Empire.
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Which hasn't worked out for the layman or the workers at all.
 
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Kepler said:
Because it is monetizing people.
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I really didn't understand that concept until my techie-best direct report (the guy is a software artisan*) and I had lunch one day.
He explained that concept to me and I'd never seen tech in that light before.
It was startling to see we're just data to be sold.


*I pound a banana on the keyboard compared to him and I've written reactor control algorithms. <-- reference to monkeys and typewriters and Shakespeare
 
5mn_Major said:
And why is big tech bad? Is it because it's both progressive and liberal?

Note: except MS Word, there are no tech monopolies.
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What she's saying is right now, tech has much of the money. A lot of them are buying up established media, or setting up or backing online outfits. This consolidation of journalistic resources, if it continues, is bad for journalism.

Bad journalism is bad for democracy.

And you people went to college?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
LOL

I do everything in Google Docs. Word is ****.
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Are you drunk?

Kepler said:
Nah, Word is fine. I hate MS but a billion person install base buys you a ton of excellent development.
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This. Pretty much everything in the main deployments of Office are all really well done.

Excel and Word are clearly best in class. It's really hard to debate this.
Arguments can be made for Outlook.
PowerPoint probably has good competition with an Apple product, which might even be ahead of PowerPoint.
OneNote is brilliant for what it is.
I'm learning to like SharePoint quite a bit.
Other applications are hit or miss at best.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Are you drunk?



This. Pretty much everything in the main deployments of Office are all really well done.

Excel and Word are clearly best in class. It's really hard to debate this.
Arguments can be made for Outlook.
PowerPoint probably has good competition with an Apple product, which might even be ahead of PowerPoint.
OneNote is brilliant for what it is.
I'm learning to like SharePoint quite a bit.
Other applications are hit or miss at best.
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I understand people still like Word and Excel but it's only a matter of time unless they change to cloud. Maybe Office 365 does the trick. Never used it. As for Outlook, there are no arguments to be made for that pile of ****. It is the worse program ever constructed. I'm in IT. I know what it's like to deal with that piece of crap. Never again.
 
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alfablue said:
Exactly. Tesla thinks they can compete with all of the OEM's in the world because of their experience without competition.

Once they started to try, they found out that that auto industry is one of THE most competitive markets- given the number of manufacturers and the choice of cars.

Make big tech have to deal with the same kind of competition, all using the same kind of constraints (like all cars drive on the same roads, use common fuel, all maintain safety and emissions limits, etc as examples), and we would ALL be a lot better off. The fast pace of progress would speed up along with the quality of work, and the price would drop.

BTW, 5mn_Major- who is Facebook's competition? On a large scale, not minor one. Who is a scale competitor for Google? And ignoring the name plates- who is the scale competitor for who makes most of the computers in the world?

There are a TON of monopolies in tech relative to other markets.
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So what percentage of people today get all their news from FBs news feed? And how does that compare to when 100% of the country got its news feed from ABC, NBC and CBS, and that was all.

Still not sure what makes tech companies the big threat to journalism - when fake news is a 10x bigger problem.
 
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