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POTUS 45.45: The Wall or a Shut Down. Your Choice Pelosi!!!!!!

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Rover said:
Can we stop already with "Mitch McConnell - legislative genius" talk? The guy was dead set against the sentencing reform bill until Trump privately threatened him to bring it up for a vote...or else. Like the sackless wonder that he his, Itch immediately rolled over and fetched for the President on command and even voted for a bill that he hated out of fear of Chump's wrath. Hardly seems like a guy in control of his own mind, let alone the Senate.
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The Courts are stacked. That's his legacy. And the Democrats just sat back and watched him do it.
 
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Good. Trump finally grew a pair, is getting out of Syria, and doing it before the MIC can create another false flag to keep us there.

One down, probably about 49 to go.
 
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Since Reagan (save for maybe Bush 41) the Presidency had become more and more powerful, either via cult of personality, or media coverage and glorification and infatuation (good or bad), or just taking it (exec orders), or a combination of all three. The Presidency is becoming more and more front and center than it should be.

Congress needs to get off of its spends-more-time-fundraising rump and do its legislative job.


Article I of the Constitution comes before Article II, and for a reason.
The Article I entity needs to remember that and step up.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Since <strike>Reagan (save for maybe Bush 41)</strike> FDR (or maybe even Teddy), the Presidency had become more and more powerful, either via cult of personality, or media coverage and glorification and infatuation (good or bad), or just taking it (exec orders), or a combination of all three. The Presidency is becoming more and more front and center than it should be.
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Fixed.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
The Courts are stacked. That's his legacy. And the Democrats just sat back and watched him do it.
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How does that make him a legislative genius? Bill First managed to get Bush appointees confirmed through the Senate too and I don't recall anybody holding him up as a lion of the Senate. :rolleyes: Approving justices is about the easiest job a Majority Leader has aside from naming the occasional post office after a big money donor.
 
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Legislatively he's not.
But administratively (plying the rules of the Senate to get his outcome) he might be.
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Explain how.

He’s got the majority. And years ago the threat of a filibuster for judges went away. Finally, his party marches in a lock goose step.

How is it hard to get a judge through under those constraints?
 
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alfablue said:
Where are the apologists now? What excuse have you told yourself to think that this is still ok?
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All 60+ million are still alive and well. The excuses were always based on sloppy reasoning, stupidity and outright falsehoods. Nothing has changed there.

trump has changed his tune or moved the goalposts on nearly every one of his campaign promises. Save for the tax cuts he promised the rich, (and even that was full of lies about the middle and working classes seeing thousands more in take-home pay) only the ones that could be enacted by executive order are actually happening, and even some of those were stopped when various courts delivered blows of unconstitutionality.

But none of that matters. The reality is that too many American voters are incapable of critical thinking and refuse to admit they were wrong about trump. Humans have a wonderful capacity for self-delusion. We can make ourselves believe almost anything if it suits a narrative that we are comfortable with. The narrative of trump and the republican party suits more than a third of all Americans, so they believe it. A good portion of the ones it does not suit still have failed to see the existential threat our current group of elected leaders (virtually all republicans and too many democrats) present to our democracy. We made some progress in November but elections -- both local and federal -- for the next couple of years are vital. Time is running out.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Legislatively he's not.
But administratively (plying the rules of the Senate to get his outcome) he might be.
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No. The only significant administration thing he's done in congress is cut taxes, increase spending and drive up the debt. That's something only every Republican administration has done since Reagan? Nixon?

Other than that he's used executive powers to push through nearly universally bad policy - tariffs being the most visible - and to work to increase presidential powers like suggesting 'maybe a US dictatorship might be in our best interest'. Any president can enact bad policy and push for more power. That's not genius.
 
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Dumpy wants the wall, funding deal is teetering as of 20 mins ago
 
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aparch said:
But this means the pee tape is real...
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That may be true...but any time anyone says anything remotely positive about Buzzfeed I will always say it sucks. It is bottomfeeding spamtrolling that makes TMZ look like WaPo.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Regarding the wall, the senate passed the stopgap bill without the wall. The house has many more extreme members and they or at least the 'freedom' caucus is balking. They expect today to be a rocky road. Complicating matters southern Republicans said they will vote against it because its not loaded with disaster aid for the southern states.

The wall? Cash for the southern states? All of which will be debt. Call me slow, but I'm still trying to figure out what happened to the tea party and fiscal responsibility.
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The TEA Party was coopted by two forces - the Religious Right, and the Koch Bros. Once that happened, then entire look of that movement changed into a farcical appearance from its roots.
 
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St. Clown said:
The TEA Party was coopted by two forces - the Religious Right, and the Koch Bros. Once that happened, then entire look of that movement changed into a farcical appearance from its roots.
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Per wiki, the Tea Party movement is an American fiscally conservative political movement within the Republican Party. Members of the movement have called for a reduction of the national debt of the United States and federal budget deficit through decreased government spending. At its peak, support for the tea party was a third of the US population during the 2010 midterms.

I guess I didn't mean literally what happened to the tea party - but rather what happened to the fiscal responsibility that was the foundation of the tea party and its supporters?
 
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alfablue said:
Explain how.

He’s got the majority. And years ago the threat of a filibuster for judges went away. Finally, his party marches in a lock goose step.

How is it hard to get a judge through under those constraints?
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He somehow had (cornered, coerced) someone hand him the "nuclear option".
He forever gets the "they did it first" scapegoat escape.
That's plying the rules writ superb.
 
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