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POTUS 45.41: We Need More Tax Cuts to pay for the Tax Cut

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WeAreNDHockey said:
A Canadian's take on our Supreme Court and the process of filling vacancies.




Like a lot of things, we used to do it better than just about anywhere else in the world. But now it is just another thing we suck at.

eta: This is another good take on how Canada does it better.
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My understanding of what Canada does is that committees in each Province compile a list of judicial candidates from which the Government, which is to say, the party in power from which The Government is formed, selects a judge. So the PM, in consultation with his party, just picks the judge from the given list, and that is that.
That article suggests that these committees are "independent". However the committees are made up of 7 people, a rep of the bench (a judge), a rep from the bar (a lawyer) and 5 reps of the 'public'. OK, but, who selects these committee people? Oh. Turns out it's "The Government", which again, is formed from the party in power.

Why is that a superior system?
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
My understanding of what Canada does is that committees in each Province compile a list of judicial candidates from which the Government, which is to say, the party in power from which The Government is formed, selects a judge. So the PM, in consultation with his party, just picks the judge from the given list, and that is that.
That article suggests that these committees are "independent". However the committees are made up of 7 people, a rep of the bench (a judge), a rep from the bar (a lawyer) and 5 reps of the 'public'. OK, but, who selects these committee people? Oh. Turns out it's "The Government", which again, is formed from the party in power.

Why is that a superior system?
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System or otherwise, the proof is in the pudding. Most educated observers believe the Canadian Court is nowhere near as polarized or partisan as the one their neighbor to the south has. In effect the majority of (or all of much of the time) of the members of their supreme court are seen as swing votes who honestly consider the merits of a case before them. Our court has devolved into just another hyper partisan "placate the side that funds me" example of why our government only functions through inertia now. This is one instance where the idea that both sides are bad actually has some truth to it, although as usual one side is much worse than the other.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I will never understand why the mainstream media puts Kellyanne Conway on the air. I don't get it.
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Partially because the mainstream media exists anymore only as a means to turn a profit. If they report the truth and the facts, great, if they don't check with the bottom line. Are we good there? Yup, OK put Kellyanne on or show most of another trump rally.

I watched that shining example of competent journalism Wolf Blitzer a couple of days ago. He had some democratic senator on and the senator refused to get off a fence and answer a question. We need these "journalists" to all simply cut short the interview when this happens. Simply say "Senator, you've avoided answering my question now 3 times, so we're gonna end this interview and move on to the next talking head in hope we'll get some actual answers." Politicians need TV time like normal people need oxygen. At some point they would answer the questions to maintain their talking head opportunities. Sure for a while the networks would have to bite the bullet. I heard the same thing on NPR last week. Can't remember which senator it was, one of the female Democrats. Force these people to actually tell you what they think. In this regard the Democrats are FAR worse than the republicans. At least the republicans will say straight out were going to steal from working people so rich people can have another tax break. Or Mexicans are criminals and rapists. We KNOW what they think.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
System or otherwise, the proof is in the pudding. Most educated observers believe the Canadian Court is nowhere near as polarized or partisan as the one their neighbor to the south has. In effect the majority of (or all of much of the time) of the members of their supreme court are seen as swing votes who honestly consider the merits of a case before them. Our court has devolved into just another hyper partisan "placate the side that funds me" example of why our government only functions through inertia now. This is one instance where the idea that both sides are bad actually has some truth to it, although as usual one side is much worse than the other.
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That the Canadian Court is less polarized is a product of Canada being much less polarized, not, as the article states, the prescribed US process being "insane".

Population wise, Canada is bigger than TX but smaller than CA, and demographically, especially as it pertains to White Europeans, Canada would fall into the bottom 10 of US states in terms of diversity. A little more diverse than Iowa, about the same as Ohio. I don't know, but I'd guess those state courts appear less polarized than the US SC does too.

The suggestion that the US and Canada should be on a par in that regard is like asking why do New Yorkers argue so much more with each other than Nebraskans do?
 
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Per Deadspin, Mike Pence's stunt of walking out of a Colts' football game last year cost about $350,000.
 
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Now the conservatives are whining about tactics the tea party used on Democrats.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rollcall: Senator Cornyn is owned by...<br><br>AT&T - $137,000+<br>Exxon Mobile - $137,000+<br>JP Morgan - $116,000+<br>Goldman Sachs - $92,000+<br>NRA - $58,000+<br>Fossil Fuel Lobby - $3,000,000+<br><br>John, the only person paid and orchestrated to spread fear is you. <a href="https://t.co/HH8WLuPCea">https://t.co/HH8WLuPCea</a></p>— Matt Deitsch (@MattxRed) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattxRed/status/1048957938730242048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Sums it up

<img src="https://imgur.com/9R1nQmb.png" height=400 width=350></img>
 
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MissThundercat said:
Per Deadspin, Mike Pence's stunt of walking out of a Colts' football game last year cost about $350,000.
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If a Democratic vice president had orchestrated a stunt like that the howls from a republican congress for investigations and impeachments and demanding repayments would be deafening. The hypocrisy of every last republican (and virtually everyone who votes for one) is astounding. I truly don't see how they can look at themselves in a mirror. And that's probably 40% of America folks. Yeah, we're gonna be just fine here in the good ole U.S.A.
 
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If a Democratic vice president had orchestrated a stunt like that the howls from a republican congress for investigations and impeachments and demanding repayments would be deafening. The hypocrisy of every last republican (and virtually everyone who votes for one) is astounding. I truly don't see how they can look at themselves in a mirror. And that's probably 40% of America folks. Yeah, we're gonna be just fine here in the good ole U.S.A.
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Eric Reid took a knee again today. They’ll pull the stunt again before mid terms to get the derps howling
 
joecct said:
Dissent from the "norm" is not tolerated up North. You get fined and sent to reeducation.

Sorry - I prefer Hyde Park.
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Are you filling in for flaggy now or just that stupid?
You’re confusing Canada with China
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
And now make way for the false equivalency and whataboutism brigades to make with the "If you hate it here so much why don't you move" bull5h!t. For those folks I'll get this out of the way now, EFF YOU. The height of patriotism in 2018 is NOT joining the military, it is speaking out about the abuses rampant in our current government and doing your part to vote the bad guys out on their as ses.
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All of this. All sorts of mouthing platitudes and moral outrage about the flag, the anthem, thank you for your service (without ever thinking what it means or why it means something). Real patriotism is about holding your elected officials responsible, paying attention to what is happening and thinking about how it will affect things past the next feel good minute. I have to admit fatigue. If someone offered me an opportunity to go somewhere else I would seriously think about it. The country I am living in embarrasses me and as a Christian person makes me feel like a hypocrite by proxy. No country is perfect but the hypocrisy being celebrated in this one is making me crazy
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
For someone who posts a lot of troubled and stupid things, you still manage to occasionally outdo yourself. I (and many other people here, even you if you had a shred of intellectual honesty) will be able to predict, with near absolute accuracy, every single ruling Kavanaugh will make as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court.
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You can do that with most any judge?

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walrus said:
You can do that with most any judge?

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Judges with opposing viewpoints make rulings that are based on political reasons. Judges with similar viewpoints make rulings that are based on principle.
 
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