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POTUS 45.40: If You Need a Lawyer, Don't Hire Michael Cohen

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ScoobyDoo said:
It's interesting how much fake news is out there. On Fox and Friends on Fox News this morning they clearly spelled out that the campaign law that Cohen pleaded out on was fake, not a law, no law was broken.

Yet, in the fake NY Times this morning there is an editorial that says this:



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/...ry-trump-cohen.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Trump as far as I can tell during his interview on Fox News this week already admitted that the Cohen allegations are true. But, it's not a crime so how can this person conclude that it is a severe crime that must be punished?

By the way, the writer of this opinion piece is Mr. Katyal and he was an acting solicitor general in the Obama administration. So, he must have some credentials?? How is this so confusing. The President didn't do anything wrong.
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They have no choice. They spent all this time saying no evidence exists that once evidence appears and witnesses flip all they can do is hope to nullify. Then you deflect by pointing out what others do that is illegal as if that somehow makes what you did ok.

Faux has no choice but to back him because they hitched their entire network to his wagon. If he goes down they go down with him. That is why they are saying stuff like "No First Lady has ever been attacked like Melania Trump" when Faux said worse things about Michelle Obama almost daily.

I usually abhor reading tea leaves, but this is textbook stuff. They are all afraid and my guess is they all know something worse is coming.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Exactly. The Conspiracy runs deep. Hell, for all we know Hillary is running the country right now.
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How do I get to be part of the Deep State? Do I have to email George Soros?
 
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Handyman said:
I am guessing that Brent is saying Trump is acting like everyone else when they are snitched on. Though I guess he is being less harsh. Snitches tend to get attacked up and down (literally and figuratively) by those they report on. The Cartels kill you, the Yakuza maim you, street gangs tend to do both and so on. Trump is attacking Cohen and destroying his credibility along with trying to take down the process.
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And why do they all do this? To prevent evidence of their guilt from coming to light.


Red Don's not even trying to hide the fact that he's guilty anymore. The thing is, it's not the conspiring with Russia that worries him. He just doesn't want the same stuff as Manafort and Cohen revealed: the tax fraud, the money laundering, the loans from Deutsche Bank and the Russians. The whole Trump criminal enterprise.

and the hell was what he said "whataboutism"
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Cause we should all be grateful that Red Don is only talking, and not cutting his enemies heads off. "Donald doesn't like flipping, so what? What about all those criminal gangs that maim and kill those who snitch against them? "
 
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Handyman said:
I usually abhor reading tea leaves, but this is textbook stuff. They are all afraid and my guess is they all know something worse is coming.
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Agreed. With his lawyer flipping, it seems to be at the very least Cohen has Chump on tape authorizing the payments through Cohen during the campaign in order to hide them. While I agree that's not as bad as his treasonous collusion with the Russians to influence the election with his blessing, its a felony. Like Nixon before him, Trump can deny his crimes all day long until a recording comes along in his voice confirming the allegations. I've heard during Watergate that's what closed the lid on Nixon's coffin as even his staunchest defenders threw in the towel once the public got to hear them. Hence the panic even if he does pardon Cohen there's nothing to stop the dude from making a buck by selling access to the recordings.
 
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Allen Weisselberg, longtime Trump Organization CFO, was granted immunity in Cohen Probe
 
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BassAle said:
Allen Weisselberg, longtime Trump Organization CFO, was granted immunity in Cohen Probe
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Ruh Ro!

Of course it is anything like Cohen Congress will be sure to act swiftly!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Eric Swalwell told <a href="https://twitter.com/maddow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@maddow</a> tonight that the House Judiciary Committee has scheduled a meeting tomorrow on Hillary Clinton's emails. The day after Michael Cohen's plea agreement, that's what was scheduled.</p>— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) <a href="https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1032824821447618560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I swear it is like they think Hillary won...they had a whole play book in mind to destroy her including having it be rigged. Problem is she lost and they have no other plans so they go forward with the same plan.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW YORK (AP) — The National Enquirer kept a safe containing documents on hush money payments and other damaging stories it killed as part of its cozy relationship with Donald Trump leading up to 2016 presidential election, people familiar with the arrangement told The AP.</p>— Ken Thomas (@KThomasDC) <a href="https://twitter.com/KThomasDC/status/1032750549085696001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Republicans on Capitol Hill who have long protected Attorney General Jeff Sessions from the wrath of his own boss increasingly think his time is up <a href="https://t.co/yuYHNJzR3P">https://t.co/yuYHNJzR3P</a></p>— POLITICO (@politico) <a href="https://twitter.com/politico/status/1033021155718914049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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alfablue said:
And?

To people who are actually concerned about the rule of law, flipping is just reporting that someone is breaking the law, and that's a good thing.

To the people breaking the law, it's a very bad thing.
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The main thing is you have to question the credibility of anyone who just flips and is getting preferential treatment out of it. But the thing is, it's something used to convict more typical criminals and ones who don't have access to the best lawyers (Trump certainly has access he's just not very good at picking them lol) and it's funny to see someone as powerful and as pampered as Trump complaining about how the average criminal is treated. Others have mentioned that it'd be kinda hilarious if some progressive reforms came out of this because Trump perceives himself or others being treated "unfairly".
 
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No competent prosecutor would ever offer a deal in return for accusations, not even for accusations under oath. If you want a deal, you'd better be able to provide *evidence* of a crime. No prosecutor is going to give up his jailbird-in-hand just so he can get into a he-said-she-said stalemate with the bigger fish.
 
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LynahFan said:
No competent prosecutor would ever offer a deal in return for accusations, not even for accusations under oath. If you want a deal, you'd better be able to provide *evidence* of a crime. No prosecutor is going to give up his jailbird-in-hand just so he can get into a he-said-she-said stalemate with the bigger fish.
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Yup. What you say has to be corroborated or it is worthless.
 
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LynahFan said:
No competent prosecutor would ever offer a deal in return for accusations, not even for accusations under oath. If you want a deal, you'd better be able to provide *evidence* of a crime. No prosecutor is going to give up his jailbird-in-hand just so he can get into a he-said-she-said stalemate with the bigger fish.
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Eh, people have gotten convicted over the words of jailhouse informants (granted this is different in that they're already convicted and serving time, so different from Cohen who took a plea) who were trying to cut a deal for themselves when the defense is really terrible at their jobs. For the most part you're right though.
 
trixR4kids said:
Eh, people have gotten convicted over the words of jailhouse informants (granted this is different in that they're already convicted and serving time, so different from Cohen who took a plea) who were trying to cut a deal for themselves when the defense is really terrible at their jobs. For the most part you're right though.
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Usually those words are along the lines of, "you'll find a body in the freezer in my cellmate's basement." Sure, just words, since that guy's never been in that basement, but easily verified as true or false. I don't think anyone could get a deal by claiming that thier cellmate was the real Jack the Ripper.
 
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Yeah and judges dont like jailhouse informants too much because credibility is an issue since, you know, they are criminals. There has to be more than just heresay there needs to be evidence to back up the heresay.
 
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