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POTUS: 45.37: The Earth is Flat and the Babies Are Crying

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alfablue said:
Why are so many people no interested in learning the extend that russia tried to interfere with our election?
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It came up in the middle of 2016, before the election, and heck, y'all were thinking Trump was going to say it wasn't a legitimate election after losing. Why no looking into it UNTIL Trump won? Oh right, because it's not about interference. It's about trying to remove a duly elected President.
 
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alfablue said:
What, exactly, is the endgame? As I see it, with all of the attacks on the pillars of a democracy- elections, law enforcement, media, etc- I don't understand what the actual endgame is. Unless it's to end the experiment laid out in the Constitution.
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The endgame is so there's no one left to stop the plutes from running rampant over everyone else.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It's all about the plutocratic utopia. Just look at the sploog that was sprayed yesterday at the groundbreaking for Foxcomm by Trump and Ryan.
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They're just trying to get big political wins by being "job creators" and "the economy" (which really isn't any better than it was under Obama and certainly not for the 50% of people living in poverty who desperately need it to improve for them). I think some of the smarter conservatives like my dad who's talked with me about Foxcomm (and finally hates Scott Walker lol) realize that it's mostly just BS but the 33% will be happy and some outside of them probably will be too.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
It came up in the middle of 2016, before the election. Why no looking into it UNTIL Trump won? Oh right, because it's not about interference. It's about trying to remove a duly elected President.
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More lies.

It was looked at. Obama wimped out as usual and asked Turtle Boy to announce it with him so it was bipartisan. Mitch said no. Obama pulled a Rover and thought the prison ***** was going to win. And here we are.

But, don't come in here and lie. Tell the truth for once.
 
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trixR4kids said:
They're just trying to get big political wins by being "job creators" and "the economy" (which really isn't any better than it was under Obama and certainly not for the 50% of people living in poverty who desperately need it to improve for them). I think some of the smarter conservatives like my dad who's talked with me about Foxcomm (and finally hates Scott Walker lol) realize that it's mostly just BS but the 33% will be happy and some outside of them probably will be too.
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That giveaway wasn't a jobs creator. It was a give the rich what they want away.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
That giveaway wasn't a jobs creator. It was a give the rich what they want away.
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Well of course but that's how they're going to spin it. WI also has a really low unemployment rate right now (which is also mostly meaningless as we discussed during the Obama years, but suddenly that matters again lol).
 
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trixR4kids said:
They're just trying to get big political wins by being "job creators" and "the economy" (which really isn't any better than it was under Obama and certainly not for the 50% of people living in poverty who desperately need it to improve for them). I think some of the smarter conservatives like my dad who's talked with me about Foxcomm (and finally hates Scott Walker lol) realize that it's mostly just BS but the 33% will be happy and some outside of them probably will be too.
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The funny thing about the FoxCon job is that the salaries at the lower level in this country have either stagnated or gone down. Which is how they can somehow now afford to bring jobs.

We've become so focused on JUST the jobs, and not what they really pay, nobody has realized that it ends up being worse for everyone. Exactly why the middle class is eroding.

None the less- with all of these BS claims, what's the end game? Last I checked, virtually nobody at the bottom end of the scale has benefited at all by who they voted for. Yet they are convinced that it's the right way to go. So much focus on money, so little on quality of life.
 
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rufus said:
The endgame is so there's no one left to stop the plutes from running rampant over everyone else.
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no protections from the courts

No protections from the laws and government institutions

No protections by media exposure

Lack of education means the plebes aren't smart enough to see they're being taken advantage of. Only the wealthy get to afford higher education, meaning only the plutes get the good high paying jobs, and the positions that control the wheels of power. A self-perpetuationg machine.
 
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rufus said:
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no protections from the courts

No protections from the laws and government institutions

No protections by media exposure

Lack of education means the plebes aren't smart enough to see they're being taken advantage of. Only the wealthy get to afford higher education, meaning only the plutes get the good high paying jobs, and the positions that control the wheels of power. A self-perpetuationg machine.
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That's exactly what I see, too. And what's the point of that kind of country?
 
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alfablue said:
That's exactly what I see, too. And what's the point of that kind of country?
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It's a great way to live, if you're one of the plutes. You don't think Russian oligarchs love their system? The Saudi royals or the leaders of the UAE?

That the plebes buy into what the plutes are selling? I dunno, you'll have to ask Drew or Brent why that is. I don't get it either, other than that they don't see themselves as the plebes.
 
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rufus said:
It's a great way to live, if you're one of the plutes. You don't think Russian oligarchs love their system? The Saudi royals or the leaders of the UAE?
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Three excellent examples. Good post.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
More lies.

It was looked at. Obama wimped out as usual and asked Turtle Boy to announce it with him so it was bipartisan. Mitch said no. Obama pulled a Rover and thought the prison ***** was going to win. And here we are.

But, don't come in here and lie. Tell the truth for once.
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The revisionist historians want to forget that there has been an active FBI investigation into this since early 2016, but what set off the whole Muller thing was dumy firing Comey, BECAUSE (in his words) of the investigation. That set in motion the whole independent investigator path, which has constantly been called a witch hunt. Even though, it's CORE investigation was to see what Russia did and to prevent it. Taking over from the FBI due to what dumpy did.

Factor in the warnings that many got over Flynn, and how dumpy tried to get Comey to back off on that, too. Lest we forget, Flynn has admitted that he was in the wrong.

So many key people have PLEADED guilty, and we think nothing has happened? Do people not understand what that means? They are admitting, in court, to the public, that they broke a law. This isn't some kind of discussion of what might have happened, it is when the person actually admits to doing it. It makes it a cold hard fact.

We also have had actual admissions that dumpy's people MET with russians. Now, I may be missing something, but that sure appears to be illegal. That latter part could be questioned, had not the trail of e-mails flat out admitted that they were looking for dirt on Secretary Clinton.

Just this morning, I watched Maddow's show, and she pointed out some curious Russian nationals who were invited to some rather curious inaugural balls. As well as some rather curious private meetings. And that Manafort's efforts in Ukraine was paid for by Russians.

How is this at all ok?
 
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alfablue said:
How is this at all ok?
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Because everything rich white men do is ok. Have you honestly not figured that out yet? It takes A LOT and I do mean A LOT to take one down. With what Trump has gotten away with you may as well call him "teflon".
 
rufus said:
So you're ok with just letting it keep on happening? Good to know.

All in all, I guess it's good you don't vote. Things are bad enough as it is.
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I’m signed up again and voting.

I think we should do everything possible to prevent outside interference of our elections but that isn’t what the investigation is about. It’s the usual partisan nonsense with both sides trying to score cheap political points.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
More lies.

It was looked at. Obama wimped out as usual and asked Turtle Boy to announce it with him so it was bipartisan. Mitch said no. Obama pulled a Rover and thought the prison ***** was going to win. And here we are.

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Puleeze. If Obama was "pulling a Rover" he would have ditched his post-partisan presidency nonsense long ago and dedicated himself to destroying the Nazi infested Republican party. When FDR and Stalin were making their alliance to defeat Hitler, they both agreed on something. No negotiations with the Nazis - only total defeat would do. Likewise, Obama for all his good qualities spent way, way, way too much time imagining himself as someone who could bridge a partisan divide. You can't do that when dealing with a cult. Its like negotiating a property dispute with the Scientologists at their compound in California. Good luck getting them to reason with you.

If you've ever taken the time to read the speeches of FDR and JFK you'll find something interesting, which is that they were full on partisans. Most people think more of Truman being that way, but they were too. Dems need to get back to that. I don't care who wins in 2020, but we need a nut cutter, not a negotiator.
 
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Drew S. said:
I’m signed up again and voting.

I think we should do everything possible to prevent outside interference of our elections but that isn’t what the investigation is about. It’s the usual partisan nonsense with both sides trying to score cheap political points.
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Except that you and others seem to be taking this investigation rather lightly.

I've contacted my representatives in congress, have you? Make sure we get to the bottom of this- I very much appreciate the experiment that we call the United States of America.
 
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Drew S. said:
I’m signed up again and voting.

I think we should do everything possible to prevent outside interference of our elections but that isn’t what the investigation is about. It’s the usual partisan nonsense with both sides trying to score cheap political points.
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So you disagree with all of the intelligence agencies saying there was interference in the election?
 
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Rover said:
Puleeze. If Obama was "pulling a Rover"
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Everyone who assumed the "Lock Her Up *****" was automatic blew it. This includes Obama. Somehow Comey got to talk and talk and talk about the ongoing email investigation but no one bothered to mention Trump was using Russia to get elected.
 
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