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POTUS: 45.37: The Earth is Flat and the Babies Are Crying

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Re: POTUS: 45.37: The Earth is Flat and the Babies Are Crying

Nice stretch, brent, That's almost flaggy territory.

No, I did not. Unless a religion is actively hating for some stupid reason, like when people justified murdering Jews in Germany. Seems to me, if a religion uses their belief to hate on other people for the sake of it, it's not really a religion, since I'm not aware of a religion where hate is a central pillar.

Look around, you see some real changes in how various religions see other people- in my life, I've seen the LDS church be incredibly nasty to people, especially homosexuals. But after the recent SC overturning of gay marriage bans, their tone has drastically changed. Not all are doing that, but more are accepting than I ever expected (having spend a lot of time living in the heart of LDS country). The end result is that fewer people have issues with their positions, as they changed focus on hating other people and focusing on the core mission of the church. Ideas change, disdain drops.

Again, all you are doing is trying to justify people hating others for the sake of who they are because there are haters on the left. Give it up already, it's a false equivalency.

Unless you need to make up more examples to justify your hatred of others for the sake of who they are.
My point, is that hate is hate. There are not different kinds of hate. If you hate someone for the color of their skin, or their religion (which is an idea/belief), or whatever.

I'm not justifying hate. I wish hate didn't exist. The only twisting and justification is the people who think that it's okay to hate in certain situations.
 
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My point, is that hate is hate. There are not different kinds of hate. If you hate someone for the color of their skin, or their religion (which is an idea/belief), or whatever.

I'm not justifying hate. I wish hate didn't exist. The only twisting and justification is the people who think that it's okay to hate in certain situations.

Wrong again.
 
Re: POTUS: 45.37: The Earth is Flat and the Babies Are Crying

Wrong again.

^^^

And here is where some of the trouble exists in this country. Go ahead and hate your neighbor because they have different views than you. It's not enough to disagree, you must hate them.
 
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My point, is that hate is hate. There are not different kinds of hate. If you hate someone for the color of their skin, or their religion (which is an idea/belief), or whatever.

I'm not justifying hate. I wish hate didn't exist. The only twisting and justification is the people who think that it's okay to hate in certain situations.

That's kinda true, brent, but what might be called "hate" takes various forms.

One man refuses to to business with any person who is black. Another man refuses to do business with racists. Are both hate, and is there any difference?
 
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That's kinda true, brent, but what might be called "hate" takes various forms.

One man refuses to to business with any person who is black. Another man refuses to do business with racists. Are both hate, and is there any difference?

They're both haters like me so they both should burn in hell.
 
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My point, is that hate is hate. There are not different kinds of hate. If you hate someone for the color of their skin, or their religion (which is an idea/belief), or whatever.

I'm not justifying hate. I wish hate didn't exist. The only twisting and justification is the people who think that it's okay to hate in certain situations.

Good luck with that. And we will remind you of that thinking next time you want to take out any protesting group that inconveniences you.

Sure, hate is hate, but when one kind of hate can end- if dumpy ended his BS segregation policies tomorrow, much of the hate against him would actually go away. But skin color can't change, and that hate has never gone away.

If you can't see the difference, and you think the both sides are equally bad, the end result is that you will just be on the side lines and *****ing up a storm without any ways to solve the problem. Which is exactly what you do. ***** and moan about political issues, but proudly proclaim that both sides are equally bad, therefore you don't vote. That's pretty sad.

You don't recognize that one kind of hate actively takes rights away from other people. And that the "idea" hate generally tries to accomplish the opposite, even in the face of accusations of rights being taken from the majority.

If you can't see that difference, there's no real hope for you, and you would be far better off just ignoring politics all together, since everyone is evil and equally bad.
 
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That's kinda true, brent, but what might be called "hate" takes various forms.

One man refuses to to business with any person who is black. Another man refuses to do business with racists. Are both hate, and is there any difference?

Hatred can be motivated by different factors, but if I understand what Brent is saying its that no hatred is a positive thing.

Hatred is really all about the hater. The target isn't affected at all by the hatred, not unless the hater actually decides to act on that hatred and do something bad. For instance, I could have been sitting here for the last 18 years hating you, as a poster (I don't, by the way) and you might never know it. But it would be doing bad things to me. It might make me irrational in the way I respond to your posts. It might cause me to lose sleep. It might cause me to stop reading this board for a period of time and miss all of the tweets Handy links to.

Hatred doesn't say anything about the target of the hate. Hatred is just a message the hater wants to tell the world about themselves, and who they are, what they think, how they act. The problem with it is that it might not portray an actual picture of who we are, or how we should be portrayed.
 
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That's kinda true, brent, but what might be called "hate" takes various forms.

One man refuses to to business with any person who is black. Another man refuses to do business with racists. Are both hate, and is there any difference?

Yes, the end goal is quite different.

the first man's goal is to eradicate anyone who is black.

the other man's goal is to eradicate racism.

Tell me that the end goal is the same.
 
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There is no difference. I hate Donald Trump so I am the problem. Got it? I sure do.
 
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My point, is that hate is hate. There are not different kinds of hate. If you hate someone for the color of their skin, or their religion (which is an idea/belief), or whatever.

I'm not justifying hate. I wish hate didn't exist. The only twisting and justification is the people who think that it's okay to hate in certain situations.

it's okay to hate some people or things numbnuts. For example, it's okay to hate nazis, racists, rapists, etc
 
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My point, is that hate is hate. There are not different kinds of hate. If you hate someone for the color of their skin, or their religion (which is an idea/belief), or whatever.

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First, name those you accuse of hating others "because of their religion".


Cause the only ones I know are those against those of Islamic faith.
 
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You're part of it. Anyone who hates is part of it.

Brent, do you hate white supremacists? Nazis? Is there any conduct that would cause you to hate?
 
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Hatred can be motivated by different factors, but if I understand what Brent is saying its that no hatred is a positive thing.

Hatred is really all about the hater. The target isn't affected at all by the hatred, not unless the hater actually decides to act on that hatred and do something bad. For instance, I could have been sitting here for the last 18 years hating you, as a poster (I don't, by the way) and you might never know it. But it would be doing bad things to me. It might make me irrational in the way I respond to your posts. It might cause me to lose sleep. It might cause me to stop reading this board for a period of time and miss all of the tweets Handy links to.

Hatred doesn't say anything about the target of the hate. Hatred is just a message the hater wants to tell the world about themselves, and who they are, what they think, how they act. The problem with it is that it might not portray an actual picture of who we are, or how we should be portrayed.

So I guess we're ok then for hating Trumpy and his administration for throwing kids into concentration camps?
 
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It seems safe to say that if we are all working under the same definition of "hate," then all "hate" is the same--we just give differing values to it, depending on our point of view. And, as hovey points out, it affects the hater in all cases and the hated in some.
 
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