trixR4kids
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The evangelicals don’t care because they’re hypocrites.
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POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."
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Kepler
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Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."
"As witnesses not of our intentions but of our conduct, we can be true or false, and the hypocrite's crime is that he bears false witness against himself. What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core." -- Hannah Arendt
"As witnesses not of our intentions but of our conduct, we can be true or false, and the hypocrite's crime is that he bears false witness against himself. What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core." -- Hannah Arendt
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Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."
Law Professor was on Morning Joe this morning. He disagrees with it but that is IN FACT the law. The fact that you hired and lawyer and who that lawyer is is not privileged. Sorry.
Law Professor was on Morning Joe this morning. He disagrees with it but that is IN FACT the law. The fact that you hired and lawyer and who that lawyer is is not privileged. Sorry.
Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."
That's not exactly what he said. In typical Hannity fashion he seems to want it both ways.
He claims he never hired him "in the traditional sense" nor did he pay him anything nor was he invoiced by Cohen. However, he goes on to state that he consulted with Cohen from time to time on "legal" issues, and he expected those conversations were covered by the attorney client privilege. That, I think, creates issues for the lawyer that he has to respect in terms of attorney client privilege. I don't think the lawyer can say "well, he didn't pay me" and go ahead and disclose the confidence.
Here is the link. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/04/16/sean-hannity-speaks-cohen-link-sot-nr.cnn
That's not exactly what he said. In typical Hannity fashion he seems to want it both ways.
He claims he never hired him "in the traditional sense" nor did he pay him anything nor was he invoiced by Cohen. However, he goes on to state that he consulted with Cohen from time to time on "legal" issues, and he expected those conversations were covered by the attorney client privilege. That, I think, creates issues for the lawyer that he has to respect in terms of attorney client privilege. I don't think the lawyer can say "well, he didn't pay me" and go ahead and disclose the confidence.
Here is the link. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/04/16/sean-hannity-speaks-cohen-link-sot-nr.cnn
It will be interesting to see what sort of changes this brings about in the industry. I wonder if you could hire a lawyer through an LLC or something like that.
Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/600/215/231196/
As I posted yesterday, there are exceptions to the rule.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/600/215/231196/
As I posted yesterday, there are exceptions to the rule.
Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."
Why would it have to change? In a court, you pretty much have to declare that you represent your client, so that all goes through you first.
The point of being a lawyer is to represent your client- so in all legal matters, you HAVE to declare that. It can't be hidden.
There are very few courts in this government that are outside of the public info domain.
Not sure how this gets so twisted up, even.
Why would it have to change? In a court, you pretty much have to declare that you represent your client, so that all goes through you first.
The point of being a lawyer is to represent your client- so in all legal matters, you HAVE to declare that. It can't be hidden.
There are very few courts in this government that are outside of the public info domain.
Not sure how this gets so twisted up, even.
Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."
If I were the lawyer, that's what I would assume.
I really wonder what would have happened if Cohen had simply gone on Maddow's show and started blabbing about what he and Hannity spoke about. My guess is that he would be roasted right now, by pretty much everyone, for violating attorney client privilege.
If I were the lawyer, that's what I would assume.
I really wonder what would have happened if Cohen had simply gone on Maddow's show and started blabbing about what he and Hannity spoke about. My guess is that he would be roasted right now, by pretty much everyone, for violating attorney client privilege.
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Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."
Heard that too. The Law Professor said the judge in this case (this lasted 30 minutes) probed whether an exception was met. It was not.
Heard that too. The Law Professor said the judge in this case (this lasted 30 minutes) probed whether an exception was met. It was not.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."
That was great; thank you.
Also, note:
So Dershowitz actually tried a case once. Surprised he could spare the time from his TV appearances.
That was great; thank you.
Also, note:
So Dershowitz actually tried a case once. Surprised he could spare the time from his TV appearances.
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Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."
It gets twisted up because people either don't understand it or have very little real world experience with it.
People receive legal advice all the time without "declaring" who their lawyer is. I have a will that was prepared and no one other than my wife knows who drafted it. People take employment contracts to a lawyer to look at and no one "declares" to the public that relationship. People have a right to keep that confidential.
It gets twisted up because people either don't understand it or have very little real world experience with it.
People receive legal advice all the time without "declaring" who their lawyer is. I have a will that was prepared and no one other than my wife knows who drafted it. People take employment contracts to a lawyer to look at and no one "declares" to the public that relationship. People have a right to keep that confidential.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."
Good point. It seems to me (note: speaking from ignorance here) that the reason counsel has to identify themselves in court is that's what gives them standing to speak. Otherwise they'd just be some dude off the street with no role in the trial.
Good point. It seems to me (note: speaking from ignorance here) that the reason counsel has to identify themselves in court is that's what gives them standing to speak. Otherwise they'd just be some dude off the street with no role in the trial.
After the Cohen thing I would be a little worried that if somehow the guy is crooked my name might get dragged through the mud.
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Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."
As soon as you knew Trump was his client you would have fired him. Anyone with half a brain would have done so. Instead, Hannity kept the relationship and waited for the blatantly obvious to happen.
As soon as you knew Trump was his client you would have fired him. Anyone with half a brain would have done so. Instead, Hannity kept the relationship and waited for the blatantly obvious to happen.
Absolutely. I’m talking more going forward I think now that the precendent has been (very publicly) set people will be a lot more careful. I trust WeAreND and others that it is above board what the judge did, which is a surprise to me and I’m sure many others who aren’t lawyers.
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It happened before now. If you've watched the news, etc, you probably have heard that the major law firms in Washington D.C. are refusing to take Trump on as a client. There is a very good reason for that.
It happened before now. If you've watched the news, etc, you probably have heard that the major law firms in Washington D.C. are refusing to take Trump on as a client. There is a very good reason for that.
Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."
What exactly is Cohen being hired for is the question? There's scant evidence of him doing any actual legal work, and more of him arranging payoffs between his clients and sex partners outside of their marriages that they want to keep hidden. If Cohen is doing the same thing for Hannity, yet making it look like his doing all of this out of pocket (recall, that's his official story for the Stormy Daniels payoff which is patently absurd) how exactly is he being compensated? Who's actually paying him, or does he just hand out millions of dollars from his own personal funds willy-nilly? Is Hannity a co-conspirator in all this? Don't know, but lets find out.
What I find to be super interesting is why Hannity is trying to hide this. The dude has no ethics so I doubt he's worried about that. If he really is only asking Cohen for advice on small matters, why not just disclose that and be done with it? What's up with all the secrecy? Maybe he has a good reason but he needs to tell the court that.
What exactly is Cohen being hired for is the question? There's scant evidence of him doing any actual legal work, and more of him arranging payoffs between his clients and sex partners outside of their marriages that they want to keep hidden. If Cohen is doing the same thing for Hannity, yet making it look like his doing all of this out of pocket (recall, that's his official story for the Stormy Daniels payoff which is patently absurd) how exactly is he being compensated? Who's actually paying him, or does he just hand out millions of dollars from his own personal funds willy-nilly? Is Hannity a co-conspirator in all this? Don't know, but lets find out.
What I find to be super interesting is why Hannity is trying to hide this. The dude has no ethics so I doubt he's worried about that. If he really is only asking Cohen for advice on small matters, why not just disclose that and be done with it? What's up with all the secrecy? Maybe he has a good reason but he needs to tell the court that.
trixR4kids
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Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."
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