What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

Status
Not open for further replies.
Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

This release is like Geraldo's Al Capon's Vault. Nothing. Democrats should rub this fail into Republicans noses all the way to November.
 
Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

They should never have released it. They should have continued the "Hold me back! Hold me black!" game indefinitely and held out the fetishized memo perpetually.

<img src="http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/007/427/241.jpg" />

The Dumpies would have believed everything they were told to believe.
 
Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

ScoobyDoo said:
This release is like Geraldo's Al Capon's Vault. Nothing. Democrats should rub this fail into Republicans noses all the way to November.
Click to expand...

But the totally-not-Trump-supporters here knew the Republicans were lying about that, which makes the Republicans a better choice for some reason.
 
Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...icked-memo-this-is-it/?utm_term=.d1b3b960831c

We know that other materials included with the dossier to obtain the warrant were left out of Nunes account, and that a point-by-point rebuttal from Democrats has been suppressed. There is plenty else left out of the memo:

- There is no explanation that FISA courts set a high bar for issuance of warrants and generally require multiple pieces of evidence.
- There is no acknowledgment that Steele was a respected former MI6 agent or that some of his findings were confirmed by evidence provided from other sources. (Nunes says they were “minimally” sourced.)
- There is no recognition the intelligence community already had Page on its radar screen as early as 2013.
- There is no indication Steele knew who had funded the dossier (which was begun for a right-leaning publication and later financed by a Democratic associate of Hillary Clinton’s campaign).
- There is no proof Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein thought the dossier was unreliable.
- There is no proof anything in the dossier was in fact false.
- There is no proof that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III or FBI Director Christopher A. Wray (whom Trump hired) had anything to do with the application for the warrant or that it affected their work. Both were hired the year after the initial FISA warrant request.
- There is no reason spelled out why Rosenstein, whom Trump later appointed, would have intentionally misled the court.

In short, other than the memo confirming that Nunes and Trump are collectively out to discredit the intelligence community and to thereby impede the investigation into the president’s alleged wrongdoing, I cannot for the life of me figure out what this proves. The media, if forthright, will explain that to Americans who must by this time be very, very confused as to why Nunes and Trump have rejected the advice of top officials who said release of the memo compromises classified information.
Click to expand...

Note Rubin is a conservative writer for the Post.
 
Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

It's also interesting how Glenn Simpson's testimony makes all of this look like utter crap, and how the GOP did not want to release that testimonial. But that has coincidence written all over this.
 
Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

ScoobyDoo said:
From what I heard this morning the "memo" written by Nunes was written by a guy who never read the underlying intelligence for the acquisition of the FISA warrant. That is gross stupidity. From what I heard Democrat Adam Schiff is the only one who has read everything.
Click to expand...

What I read was that Nunes hadn't read it, but I think it was Gowdy and some others who were tasked with writing up the memo, and they had. Although probably not everything, and just cherry-picked the stuff then wanted to.
 
Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

This is all anyone need know about the memo.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LOL<br><br>A year attacking the Steele dossier.<br><br>A month hyping that the dossier started the whole FBI investigation.<br><br>Weeks hyping that they have a memo (a memo!) that will finally prove it!<br><br>So... is there some other memo?<br><br>Because this one says it was Papadopoulos, not the dossier.</p>— Rachel Maddow MSNBC (@maddow) <a href="https://twitter.com/maddow/status/959486962649493506?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

Drew S. said:
If there is bad stuff on Carter Page or someone else why hasn't it been leaked? It's telling for me that after a year of this stuff there really hasn't been much come out on Trump & Co outside of one meeting in June 2016. Trump is right about one thing: this whole episode is completely embarrassing to the country.
Click to expand...

If you think that's the only thing that's come out, perhaps you should do a little more reading on the issue. Maybe broaden your usual sources.
 
Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

These are the moves of a guilty man, and it makes me think Trump is on tape or something (e-mail?) ordering his staff to collude with Russia. Otherwise, none of this makes sense. Chump was always going to run for re-election by turning out his base, which is already with him 100% long before doctored memos from a Putin bought and paid for Congressman came out. If there's nothing politically to be gained, the only other reason to do this is to distract from a crime. Like a slam dunk case. Otherwise you'd simply let Mueller send Manafort & Flynn up the river and say "yeah, that's why I fired them."
 
Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

rover said:
these are the moves of a guilty man, and it makes me think trump is on tape or something (e-mail?) ordering his staff to collude with russia. Otherwise, none of this makes sense. Chump was always going to run for re-election by turning out his base, which is already with him 100% long before doctored memos from a putin bought and paid for congressman came out. If there's nothing politically to be gained, the only other reason to do this is to distract from a crime. Like a slam dunk case. Otherwise you'd simply let mueller send manafort & flynn up the river and say "yeah, that's why i fired them."
Click to expand...

m-o-n-e-y l-a-u-n-d-e-r-i-n-g.
 
rufus said:
If you think that's the only thing that's come out, perhaps you should do a little more reading on the issue. Maybe broaden your usual sources.
Click to expand...

Let’s see it. It sounds like the emperor’s clothes to me.

I’m not tying to say Trump is ethical or anything like that, I just don’t see much when it comes to Russia.
 
Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

Drew S. said:
Let’s see it. It sounds like the emperor’s clothes to me.

I’m not tying to say Trump is ethical or anything like that, I just don’t see much when it comes to Russia.
Click to expand...

Of course it does. And of course you don't.

But Hillary's the greatest criminal mastermind since Capone. Killed more people too.
 
Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

Drew S. said:
Let’s see it. It sounds like the emperor’s clothes to me.

I’m not tying to say Trump is ethical or anything like that, I just don’t see much when it comes to Russia.
Click to expand...

It seems undeniable Russia was actively attempting to sow discord and muddy the election in order to weaken Clinton who they assumed would win. Dump hallumphed in with his usual combination of oafishness and vanity and the Russians thought, "oh man, we have a live one," and used him to get as much access and create as much chaos as possible. Dump was unwitting in this because he thought he was cleverly playing the Russians at their own game. Stupidity is the Dump defense here.

But Dump is not fully exonerated because he also has his extraordinary selfishness and would, as the Chinese say, "sell his mother to a whorehouse" to get what he wants. This made him completely willing to hand over US secrets to our geopolitical rivals to secure things for himself.
If it turns out Dump isn't guilty of treason it will only be because the subject just never came up.
 
Last edited:
Kepler said:
It seems undeniable Russia was actively attempting to sow discord and muddy the election in order to weaken Clinton who they assumed would win. Dump hallumphed in with his usual combination of oafishness and vanity and the Russians thought, "oh man, we have a live one," and used him to get as much access and create as much chaos as possible. Dump was unwitting in this because he thought he was cleverly playing the Russians at their own game. Stupidity is the Dump defense here.

But Dump is not fully exonerated because he also has his extraordinary selfishness and would, as the Chinese say, "sell his mother to a whorehouse" to get what he wants. This made him completely willing to hand over US secrets to our geopolitical rivals to secure things for himself.
If it turns out Dump isn't guilty of treason it will only be because the subject just never came up.
Click to expand...

The first sentence of your post I couldn’t agree more strongly with. To do this they didn’t need him and to be honest they probably were better off without him.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top