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POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

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I am more of a pragmatist than an idealist when I think about this. Do I want to decrease spending? yup but it isn't just about the money.

-Say you decrease the spending, cut bases and make those other countries do stuff with their military. Then what do you do when they go rogue? I may be way off base but IMHO having bases there is a 2 way street. Yes we provide protection but we also are in a bunch of places and can respond if there is a threat. In a time where we have a person in charge who has burned just about every bridge available, we still have physical presence. Hopefully they interact with the populations in a way that can give some positive impression. Personally, I find this reassuring. the dipsh1t may lose us all respect internationally but we still have presence when he no longer has any chips to call in to get another country to assist. Ain't no sane person going to trust him to keep his word and put their country on the line. THey might do things but only if they can do them without counting on us

-even if the above isn't important what do you do with all the jobs that loses. The bases are economic hubs- they bring population that spends, gets involved in the community, etc. Do I think we should be paying ridiculous amounts for toilet seats? No. But... if you are going to dismantle this it should be done in an intelligent way. Considering we have a completely inept President, a legislature that can't pull their head out of their a55s nevermind actually look more than 5 minutes down the road the thought of this scares me.

Certainly one thing I do respect about you: actual critical thinking. Not only looking at the next move, but the 5 or 6 moves after that. Obviously we're going to disagree on the perception of foreign relations, as I sort of prefer the "Respect mah authoritah" attitude, as showing weakness gives enemies the opportunity they seek. It is a very bad predicament where, when you depose a regime, you have to wonder whom you can trust, because anyone can rise to power. Sadly, because of the doings of the Bush 43 and Obama administrations, it's a problem that has to be solved. I just hope we don't end up practicing insanity and do it again in the near future, as that's the one thing I fear about North Korea at this point. I'm glad Trump's open to discussions and other peaceful means to work it out, and I hope he can keep Mad Dog and Kelly at bay, because they're the ones egging on the enemies.

As for the expensive toilet seats, the military needs to take some responsibility and not make the ends justify the means in their asks. A lot of that comes from how things come apart during heavy turbulence, emergency landings, and all kinds of odd happenings. Could things be built to last? Sure, as that's on the manufacturer in trying to appease investors' need for recurring revenue. However, even when it's built to last, things could happen in one-in-a-million situations, and accounting for that just adds to the costs. Advancement of technology is something that will keep people in this sector employed, so I don't worry about their employment. Just remain under control and we'll be able to be just fine.
 
Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

Chuck now says he’s pulled the support for the wall.
Perhaps he realized he was going to be swindled

Not swindled, so much as he realized that, by holding the government hostage over DACA, he was putting the needs of illegals over the needs of Americans. If he doesn't want to support the wall, that's fine, and I'm not so comfortable with the wall either, mostly because of who's going to have the key to the gate at any point the wall exists.
 
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Not swindled, so much as he realized that, by holding the government hostage over DACA, he was putting the needs of illegals over the needs of Americans. If he doesn't want to support the wall, that's fine, and I'm not so comfortable with the wall either, mostly because of who's going to have the key to the gate at any point the wall exists.

Tear the ****ing statue down.
 
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That's not good news. Basically what that means is DACA is dead. So, the Democrats will not agree on the wall funding. Maybe that's what it needs to be or just have the GOP go Nuclear on the bit and be done with it. Build the wall and deport all the illegals including the DACA folks.

I too don't have high hopes for the DACA at this point but perhaps people will realize the importance of voting next time if they feel the people brought here not of their own choice deserve some protections? I mean, its not like Trump didn't signal he was going to do this during the campaign. You could see this coming from outer space.

The key to all of this is the House. Can Weasel Paul Ryan keep passing CR's for a short amount of time with only Goopers, or do the Freedumb Caucus nutters decide to burn the place down? If they do that's when the Dems can extract concessions if their votes are needed.
 
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I too don't have high hopes for the DACA at this point but perhaps people will realize the importance of voting next time if they feel the people brought here not of their own choice deserve some protections? I mean, its not like Trump didn't signal he was going to do this during the campaign. You could see this coming from outer space.

The key to all of this is the House. Can Weasel Paul Ryan keep passing CR's for a short amount of time with only Goopers, or do the Freedumb Caucus nutters decide to burn the place down? If they do that's when the Dems can extract concessions if their votes are needed.

I would have thought after that horrid Michigan deportation that would have been a no brainer. But, as usual the GOP cares about no one but the rich. They've snowballed their base.
 
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I would have thought after that horrid Michigan deportation that would have been a no brainer. But, as usual the GOP cares about no one but the rich. They've snowballed their base.

They care so much about the rich that they removed most of the tax deduction they had for their wealth being sheltered in real estate.
 
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I too don't have high hopes for the DACA at this point but perhaps people will realize the importance of voting next time if they feel the people brought here not of their own choice deserve some protections? I mean, its not like Trump didn't signal he was going to do this during the campaign. You could see this coming from outer space.

The key to all of this is the House. Can Weasel Paul Ryan keep passing CR's for a short amount of time with only Goopers, or do the Freedumb Caucus nutters decide to burn the place down? If they do that's when the Dems can extract concessions if their votes are needed.

Or maybe we should be concerned about them illegally coming in in the first place. Even for those that escaped Vietnam or Nazi occupation, they still went to Ellis Island (or whatever the western equivalent is), were vetted for character and positive contributions to America, and then processed towards either citizenship or visa. Just opening the flood gates, or allowing someone to enter because his/her name was pulled out of a hat, is not a way to get positive contribution to anyone's society. I know we've both come to agreement on these points even with differences in specific executions, but there has to be a point where you put the foot down and enforce it, lest it ends up looking like a joke.
 
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I too don't have high hopes for the DACA at this point but perhaps people will realize the importance of voting next time if they feel the people brought here not of their own choice deserve some protections? I mean, its not like Trump didn't signal he was going to do this during the campaign. You could see this coming from outer space.

The key to all of this is the House. Can Weasel Paul Ryan keep passing CR's for a short amount of time with only Goopers, or do the Freedumb Caucus nutters decide to burn the place down? If they do that's when the Dems can extract concessions if their votes are needed.

But.............................only the "bad hombres" :confused:
 
Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

Or maybe we should be concerned about them illegally coming in in the first place. Even for those that escaped Vietnam or Nazi occupation, they still went to Ellis Island (or whatever the western equivalent is), were vetted for character and positive contributions to America, and then processed towards either citizenship or visa. Just opening the flood gates, or allowing someone to enter because his/her name was pulled out of a hat, is not a way to get positive contribution to anyone's society. I know we've both come to agreement on these points even with differences in specific executions, but there has to be a point where you put the foot down and enforce it, lest it ends up looking like a joke.

And yet, you and the people you support continually oppose any path toward citizenship for these people.
 
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And yet, you and the people you support continually oppose any path toward citizenship for these people.

Where do I, or anyone I support, oppose someone using the proper process to become a citizen? What I disagree with is giving out citizenship like it's a religious pamphlet without any sort of vetting.
 
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Where do I, or anyone I support, oppose someone using the proper process to become a citizen? What I disagree with is giving out citizenship like it's a religious pamphlet without any sort of vetting.

Well, you had the guy from Michigan last week, been here for 30-some years, spent over $100,000 of his own money over that time trying to do the right thing, and go through the process of becoming a citizen the right way, as you claim he must, and nothing ever coming of it, because you and the people you support don't want him to be able to become a citizen at all, through any means, and you were happy that he was being deported now.

So shut yer effin' cak-holster.
 
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Well, you had the guy from Michigan last week, been here for 30-some years, spent over $100,000 of his own money over that time trying to do the right thing, and go through the process of becoming a citizen the right way, as you claim he must, and nothing ever coming of it, because you and the people you support don't want him to be able to become a citizen, and you were happy that he was being deported now.

So shut yer effin' cak-holster.

Correct. So, Flaggy, start deporting them all now. Get it done. Sick of hearing about it. Build your wall. Militarize the border. Shoot on sight. Whatever it takes.
 
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