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POTUS 45:26 - One million tweets DC!

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Slap Shot said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lol Gorka tries to discredit Wolff by placing him in the West Wing with full cooperation of the President and the two senior-most White House officials. <br><br>You had one job, dude. <a href="https://t.co/xoj3GRBtaE">pic.twitter.com/xoj3GRBtaE</a></p>— Adam Jentleson (@AJentleson) <a href="https://twitter.com/AJentleson/status/950452796297445376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
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*apparently I don't know how to embed this Tweet correctly :)
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Gorka should be able to come up with a better excuse. Just say you were picking up your dad's Hungarian Fascist uniform from the drycleaners at that time.
 
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I think a clean DACA bill, to me, is a DACA bill, but we take care of the 800,000 people ... but I think, to me, a clean bill is a bill of DACA, we take care of them, and we also take care of security.
 
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MaizeRage said:
I think a clean DACA bill, to me, is a DACA bill, but we take care of the 800,000 people ... but I think, to me, a clean bill is a bill of DACA, we take care of them, and we also take care of security.
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sounds like something someone that is, like, smart would say
 
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MaizeRage said:
I think a clean DACA bill, to me, is a DACA bill, but we take care of the 800,000 people ... but I think, to me, a clean bill is a bill of DACA, we take care of them, and we also take care of security.
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You sound like a very stable genius.
 
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MaizeRage said:
I think a clean DACA bill, to me, is a DACA bill, but we take care of the 800,000 people ... but I think, to me, a clean bill is a bill of DACA, we take care of them, and we also take care of security.
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They're already here, don't know if they actually have a country to go to, but one thing that will help is to stem the tide.

One thing I have been wondering with a lot of these rich left-wingers: If they care so much about the immigrants, why wouldn't they help the good ones to be sponsored for legal citizenship? If immigrants are so productive and beneficial to communities, why not get them to a point where they're within the law? Yes, all those who came illegally are criminals. Yes, the ends cannot justify the means. Patriation, especially if they intend to stay a while and actually prove themselves to be what is expected, would be a good compromise, at least in my book. If they have no intention of becoming citizens when in here illegally, then yes, definitely prosecute them and get rid of them.

In my book, it's about citizenship status. What I'd suggest:

Anyone who came in "illegally" must have citizenship papers (or whatever the process to become a citizen is; my ancestors who came through Ellis Island are no longer with us) filed within 6 months. Otherwise, they're prosecuted as entering the country illegally and deported. Any rejection of citizenship for these people is also cause for deportation. Those with papers in process are permitted to stay until such time that the process is resolved. Citizenship shall not be rejected on the sole account of illegal entry into the country.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
They're already here, don't know if they actually have a country to go to, but one thing that will help is to stem the tide.

One thing I have been wondering with a lot of these rich left-wingers: If they care so much about the immigrants, why wouldn't they help the good ones to be sponsored for legal citizenship? If immigrants are so productive and beneficial to communities, why not get them to a point where they're within the law? Yes, all those who came illegally are criminals. Yes, the ends cannot justify the means. Patriation, especially if they intend to stay a while and actually prove themselves to be what is expected, would be a good compromise, at least in my book. If they have no intention of becoming citizens when in here illegally, then yes, definitely prosecute them and get rid of them.

In my book, it's about citizenship status. What I'd suggest:

Anyone who came in "illegally" must have citizenship papers (or whatever the process to become a citizen is; my ancestors who came through Ellis Island are no longer with us) filed within 6 months. Otherwise, they're prosecuted as entering the country illegally and deported. Any rejection of citizenship for these people is also cause for deportation. Those with papers in process are permitted to stay until such time that the process is resolved. Citizenship shall not be rejected on the sole account of illegal entry into the country.
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Flaggy, I already laid this out in the Rover Manifesto, but since you let your subscription lapse apparently I'll sum it up for you:

1) Anybody who served in the armed forces honorably is in. Get your discharge, walk down to city hall and take the oath. No waiting.
2) Anybody with a degree and job in a critical area (doctors, scientists, etc, etc) is a permanent resident. We need the best and the brightest.
3) Anybody earning a degree or employed with an employer willing to sponsor you, pay all back taxes and get in the back of the line. But, you get a green card provided your status doesn't change.
4) Finally, seasonal workers doing agriculture work - temporary visa to work as needed during the peak season. No bringing your family with you, and you must go back afterwards but you are legal while here.

Obviously the spouses and dependents of #1-3 can join/remain but that's it. Everybody else would either need to go back or get into these categories in order to remain.
 
Rover said:
Flaggy, I already laid this out in the Rover Manifesto, but since you let your subscription lapse apparently I'll sum it up for you:

1) Anybody who served in the armed forces honorably is in. Get your discharge, walk down to city hall and take the oath. No waiting.
2) Anybody with a degree and job in a critical area (doctors, scientists, etc, etc) is a permanent resident. We need the best and the brightest.
3) Anybody earning a degree or employed with an employer willing to sponsor you, pay all back taxes and get in the back of the line. But, you get a green card provided your status doesn't change.
4) Finally, seasonal workers doing agriculture work - temporary visa to work as needed during the peak season. No bringing your family with you, and you must go back afterwards but you are legal while here.

Obviously the spouses and dependents of #1-3 can join/remain but that's it. Everybody else would either need to go back or get into these categories in order to remain.
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You sound like Trump!
 
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Rover said:
Flaggy, I already laid this out in the Rover Manifesto, but since you let your subscription lapse apparently I'll sum it up for you:

1) Anybody who served in the armed forces honorably is in. Get your discharge, walk down to city hall and take the oath. No waiting.
2) Anybody with a degree and job in a critical area (doctors, scientists, etc, etc) is a permanent resident. We need the best and the brightest.
3) Anybody earning a degree or employed with an employer willing to sponsor you, pay all back taxes and get in the back of the line. But, you get a green card provided your status doesn't change.
4) Finally, seasonal workers doing agriculture work - temporary visa to work as needed during the peak season. No bringing your family with you, and you must go back afterwards but you are legal while here.

Obviously the spouses and dependents of #1-3 can join/remain but that's it. Everybody else would either need to go back or get into these categories in order to remain.
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I bolded a key word.
Otherwise, aside from some details (defining "critical areas", what is a "dependent" for this), < gulp > we agree.
 
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Rover said:
Flaggy, I already laid this out in the Rover Manifesto, but since you let your subscription lapse apparently I'll sum it up for you:

1) Anybody who served in the armed forces honorably is in. Get your discharge, walk down to city hall and take the oath. No waiting.
2) Anybody with a degree and job in a critical area (doctors, scientists, etc, etc) is a permanent resident. We need the best and the brightest.
3) Anybody earning a degree or employed with an employer willing to sponsor you, pay all back taxes and get in the back of the line. But, you get a green card provided your status doesn't change.
4) Finally, seasonal workers doing agriculture work - temporary visa to work as needed during the peak season. No bringing your family with you, and you must go back afterwards but you are legal while here.

Obviously the spouses and dependents of #1-3 can join/remain but that's it. Everybody else would either need to go back or get into these categories in order to remain.
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Probably didn't see it, given these threads balloon to exorbitant lengths and I don't get a chance to read everything. However, let's take a look:

1: I'm going to assume you mean the US military, and it's a little surprising to me that a non-citizen would be able to enlist. I'd be game for your idea, though. In addition to an honorable discharge, though, I think I'd also want a minimum number of years of service. At least 3-5.
2: If the difference between this and #3 is back tax forgiveness and order of priority, I'm not too sure about doing that. I'd be game to negotiate a repatriation percentage, though.
3 and 4: Nail on head.

Spouses/Dependents: I'd assume strict one-generation similar to what Trump has been proposing. I'd want to vet them and not give a free ride, though. Especially considering "arranged marriages" and the trouble that could come from those. Also, too many military-aged male "children" are terrorizing Europe; we need to learn from their mistakes.

Reads like we have some common ground, and could debate the nuances to come up with something we'd both be satisfied with.
 
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DACA participants can join the military as of 2014. Not sure if that's still in place but presumably some are currently serving or have served. I hadn't given length of service any thought but doesn't seem like a sticking point.

Regarding "dependents" = spouse and minor children. Not your 5th cousin twice removed. They of course are free to join of the categories I already laid out.

Critical areas in some ways are going to be pretty evident. Doctors for one (was friends with a legal immigrant doctor waiting to become a permanent resident before he could practice), nuclear physicists, etc etc. No to Ms. Cleo were she still alive. Don't know exactly where the dividing line is by the Dept of Labor would have to sort that out or a similar agency.

Finally, I think immigration advocates hurt themselves with the "illegal immigrants do the work Americans won't do" schtick. I don't believe that by and large with one big exception, which is agriculture. I don't think you can find enough Americans to work the fields, hence the seasonal visa proposal. Otherwise you're only leaving the door open to exploitation if there aren't any rules in place to pay these people a living wage if in fact they're needed in a poultry processing plant or construction job. A system that benefits almost everybody (if you have a criminal record you're kinda screwed) isn't that hard to come up with.
 
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Rover said:
Finally, I think immigration advocates hurt themselves with the "illegal immigrants do the work Americans won't do" schtick. I don't believe that by and large with one big exception, which is agriculture. I don't think you can find enough Americans to work the fields, hence the seasonal visa proposal.
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When was the last time you saw a white person working a housekeeping cart?
 
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A federal energy regulator has rejected a proposed rule that would have subsidized nuclear and coal plants, helping those fuel sources compete with cheaper natural gas and renewables.

The rule was described by the Department of Energy as a way to promote the resilience of the electric grid — that is, its ability to provide reliable energy in the face of disruptive events like bad weather.

But the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission said the rule falls short of "clear and fundamental" legal requirements, by giving preferential treatment to some resources with no evidence that the result will be "just and reasonable." The commissioners also were not persuaded that the rule would effectively address resilience issues — or, in fact, that the rule had anything to do with resilience at all.
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Says the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (four of its five members, including the chairman, were nominated by President Trump).
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
When was the last time you saw a white person working a housekeeping cart?
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New England. Saw some Irish chicks here for the summer several years back! I think I spotted a few Brazilians too, at least that's what I imagined they were. :D

But, I have no problem with hotels using immigrants to do jobs like that, provided they go through a legal process and again if its a seasonal need give them a seasonal visa, or if they're an employee sponsor them.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
That's the funny thing: A lot of the things people clamor for are exactly what Trump wants. It's just how dare he have that "R" next to his name.
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It's funny, cause the desired actions that you listed are exactly what Obama was trying to do, and you and the Republicans would have none of it, cause he wasn't a "real" president, for some reason or another.
 
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Bannon got ****-canned by Breitbart. But I'm sure that's just what he wanted them to do, because he's such a political mastermind that he'll come back even stronger. :rolleyes:
 
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Rover said:
DACA participants can join the military as of 2014. Not sure if that's still in place but presumably some are currently serving or have served. I hadn't given length of service any thought but doesn't seem like a sticking point.

Regarding "dependents" = spouse and minor children. Not your 5th cousin twice removed. They of course are free to join of the categories I already laid out.

Critical areas in some ways are going to be pretty evident. Doctors for one (was friends with a legal immigrant doctor waiting to become a permanent resident before he could practice), nuclear physicists, etc etc. No to Ms. Cleo were she still alive. Don't know exactly where the dividing line is by the Dept of Labor would have to sort that out or a similar agency.

Finally, I think immigration advocates hurt themselves with the "illegal immigrants do the work Americans won't do" schtick. I don't believe that by and large with one big exception, which is agriculture. I don't think you can find enough Americans to work the fields, hence the seasonal visa proposal. Otherwise you're only leaving the door open to exploitation if there aren't any rules in place to pay these people a living wage if in fact they're needed in a poultry processing plant or construction job. A system that benefits almost everybody (if you have a criminal record you're kinda screwed) isn't that hard to come up with.
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I do have some reservations about non-citizens joining the military, even thinking to the point of putting the citizenship oath with the military oath. However, given it leaves us open to betrayals and then we're stuck with them because they had to become citizens to join, I wouldn't mind the idea of "proving your worth". Still some reservations about it becoming subject to potential abuse, especially if an AWOL runs a vehicle into a crowd. I assume the military does some character vetting, which would alleviate concerns.

I would be inclined to disagree with the assumptions of the last paragraph based on the number of non-disabled people getting SNAP benefits. Maine's concepts of work-to-receive are quite nice, as they promote community betterment, increase revenues through a taxed work force, and reduce spending from the "bums"; I'm tempted to write my assemblywoman and state senator to try to get something similar into my state. The biggest trouble after the "bum factor" I see is the location of the work vs. the location of the potential workers. Obviously there's the moving expenses deduction, and I can also understand people becoming sentimentally attached to certain communities. Sure, you could offer a one-time one-way expense subsidy to move you and your family for work, usable only once within a certain time period (I'd think at least 2-3 years). Would it be enough?
 
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