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POTUS 45.23 - Wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross

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Kepler said:
Oh, I get the silence on Weinstein: he was powerful enough to be able to wreck careers. The f-ck was Roy Moore going to do? The guy is less imposing than your average internet troll. The entire national GOP wanted to take him down and those guys do not play by the Marquess of Queensberry's rules, and Strange had a well-financed campaign which includes oppo research.

My leading theory is Strange has something just as bad. Maybe underage boys.
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Except to young women, who know he was the DA in town. When when he said "who are they going to believe"- they bought it. What he could do is crucify them in the court directly if they went after him. Or at least pretend that he could.

And on that pretend note- he's as big of a bully as Weinstien and Sandusky.
 
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Kepler said:
LOL. I think I just hurt myself.

The Dumps are an entire family of Fredos, except for Eric as Buffalo Bill.

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Tiffany is the smart one.
 
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Kepler said:
This is amazing. Dump was for Strange and he certainly would have strafed him with it.

It looks like that party isn't only incompetent at governance. They're generally inept.
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It's politics.
It's the South.
It's the guy in power.
It seems all too common.
No matter the side of the aisle.

We've seen the pattern before with a Southern governor who walked away unscathed.
https://www.theatlantic.com/enterta...ckoning-with-bill-clintons-sex-crimes/545729/

I'm surprised "The Atlantic" sees (their words) a "reckoning" for him at this point.
The party needs to come to terms with the fact that it was so enraptured by their brilliant, Big Dog president and his stunning string of progressive accomplishments that it abandoned some of its central principles. The party was on the wrong side of history and there are consequences for that. Yet expedience is not the only reason to make this public accounting. If it is possible for politics and moral behavior to coexist, then this grave wrong needs to be acknowledged. If Weinstein and Mark Halperin and Louis C.K. and all the rest can be held accountable, so can our former president and so can his party, which so many Americans so desperately need to rise again.
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Roy Moore's political career deserves to become Ol' Roy; however, we've seen the pattern of escape happen for politicians in the South.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I'm surprised "The Atlantic" sees (their words) a "reckoning" for him at this point.
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If you're surprised maybe you should read more of The Atlantic, New Republic, Slate, etc.

One of things about the smarties -- they constantly rake themselves over the coals of analysis. The left and the right treat this very differently, because on the right the great virtue is "strength" while on the left it is "truth." Both terms deserve their bunny ears.

The soul of the right is marketing -- make up your mind then push, bluster, and bluff it out. The soul of the left is academia -- always double back, always doubt, never take anything as given. We don't just analyze ourselves, we over-over-over-over-analyze ourselves.

Many of the silly misconceptions the right holds about the left stem from their inability to see this basic difference in orientation. It makes you guys see phantoms and conspiracies everywhere. It also, happily, makes you miss some of our weaknesses. It's a combination of both over- and under-estimating us.

No doubt we have the same blindness the other way.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
It seems all too common.
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This may be the heart of it. Start casting those stones and there won't be a house left standing. Mix in the creepy Old Testament misogyny and general sexual perversity of the South, and the sexual predator register may be the phone book.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
It's politics.
It's the South.
It's the guy in power.
It seems all too common.
No matter the side of the aisle.

We've seen the pattern before with a Southern governor who walked away unscathed.
https://www.theatlantic.com/enterta...ckoning-with-bill-clintons-sex-crimes/545729/

I'm surprised "The Atlantic" sees (their words) a "reckoning" for him at this point.



Roy Moore's political career deserves to become Ol' Roy; however, we've seen the pattern of escape happen for politicians in the South.
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I suspect it's hard for many of us in the northern states, and especially outside a place like NYC, to understand what southern political races are like. I have to believe that allegations of corruption, sleazy personal behavior and the like is the norm rather than an exception. Allegations that would, in a place like Des Moines, IA, cause the candidate to immediately withdraw and be replaced, are instead contested with the "it wasn't me" defense down south.

I suspect the reason candidates like Moore persist is, a) they have personally prevailed, or seen other candidates prevail, despite such allegations, b) allegation fatigue caused by all contests containing some sort of corruption or sleaziness charge, and c) knowing that you will receive the support of your base even if they believe your accusers, simply because they still like you or like you more than the other candidate.

It's certainly a unique area of the country, and always has been.
 
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My likely son-in-law grew up in Montgomery and moved to Atlanta in his early 20s, where he met my daughter. He and his family are blue collar all the way, and although he is an outspoken advocate of LGBT rights and is clearly not racist, he is not as liberal as D. He sometimes expresses frustration/regret that northerners do not understand much of what is good about the South, given their assumptions. If you want to select one racist shythole, Montgomery has to be high on the leaderboard. I haven't discussed Moore with him but am looking forward to that discussion. He's too young to have personal memories of the guy's DA past, but he will know the context and understand the cultural dynamics.

They chose to live in Vancouver, so I guess that says something about the culture they were looking for.
 
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burd said:
He sometimes expresses frustration/regret that northerners do not understand much of what is good about the South, given their assumptions.
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Having lived in NC and VA (and rural MD which might as well be the South), and also among people from the Deep South, I completely agree with this. There are wonderful things about the South.

The trick is to somehow extract the virulence without losing the kindness. That great line from the Bessie Smith movie always sums it up for me perfectly:

"In the South we don't care how close you get as long and you don't get too big. In the North they don't care how big you get as long and you don't get too close."
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Congress had her under oath for 10 hours. Let's see Trump do the same.
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Oh my god...I listened to him in person for like an hour and I wanted to die can you imagine him testifying for that long? The transcript would be worse than Mad Libs done by children that have been run through every major language translator multiple times.
 
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Problem with the South unlike most other regions in the country (maybe the Plains can be lumped in as well) is the total mixing of politics and religion. Attacking one's political leaders becomes akin attacking someone's religious figures. Budget disputes turn into holy wars. When put in that context, hearing stuff like "we're fighting for our civilization" has a different meaning. Its not just campaign hyperbole, these people truly think like that.
 
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Rover said:
Problem with the South unlike most other regions in the country (maybe the Plains can be lumped in as well) is the total mixing of politics and religion. Attacking one's political leaders becomes akin attacking someone's religious figures. Budget disputes turn into holy wars. When put in that context, hearing stuff like "we're fighting for our civilization" has a different meaning. Its not just campaign hyperbole, these people truly think like that.
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Angry Sky God. Not to put too fine a point on it, but look at the Middle East or Central Asia. Stalled cultures mix religion, politics, morality, sexuality into one big reactionary stew. Toynbee was right: there are cultural cul de sacs and dead ends.

The South didn't have to be one, but after more than 100 years as America's ingrown toenail they aren't going to find their own way out. They're going to stay like either forever or until something very nasty happens.

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The best that can be said about The South is that we're nibbling away at it. MD was Southern up until a generation ago -- a decade ago it was half NJ and half MS. VA is going through exactly that transition right now. NC will in ten years. GA in twenty. TX will be NM with way cuter girls in 2050.

There's no saving MS, AL, LA, AR, TN, KY, WV. That is Rock Stupid Central and it will endure until the Second Coming (at which Jesus will d-mn them all to hell for their idolatry of football). But as with the USSR, containment and eventual rollback will limit the cancer.
 
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Rover said:
Problem with the South unlike most other regions in the country (maybe the Plains can be lumped in as well) is the total mixing of politics and religion. Attacking one's political leaders becomes akin attacking someone's religious figures. Budget disputes turn into holy wars. When put in that context, hearing stuff like "we're fighting for our civilization" has a different meaning. Its not just campaign hyperbole, these people truly think like that.
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I think I can speak for many northern plainers who have a scandinavian background when I say they may be good lutrens but they are not that far removed from their pagan roots and are not prone to bind their politics to religion. In fact, many I grew up around were fiscally conservative but surprisingly liberal on social issues. A goat maybe here and dere, ya sure.
 
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Part of that has to be southern biscuits and gravy--so dang good.
 
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Republicans have their talking points today. During Sessions testimony he gets hammered by the Democrats on the topics at hand. When questioned by the Repubs he gets asked about all the leaks.
 
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Handyman said:
Sessions wants a second special prosecutor to look into some concerns conservatives had. (Clinton stuff) I know they have a weird hardon for Mrs. Pantsuit McRobot but she lots why are you going to waste more money investigating stuff that will go nowhere and deflect literally none of the spotlight outside of the Faux bubble?

Oh right...I forgot...Sessions is a moron :D
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Wait, why do they need a special prosecutor if they want to investigate that? He does realize that he is in charge of the DOJ, right? And that he only had to appoint the special prosecutor for Russia-collusion because he was involved in the campaign (and the collusion) himself, so they needed to avoid the conflict of interest. But I don't see any conflict of interest if he and the DOJ ran an investigation on this new stuff.

Oh wait, is it because everyone else in the DOJ has told him 50 times there is nothing here and that he should go screw?
 
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