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POTUS 45.23 - Wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross

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French Rage said:
I feel like there's a "Fatty Arbuckle" joke somewhere here.
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I know where you're going with this...

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alfablue said:
You are never going to cut your way to prosperity. Ever.
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You're never going to spend your way to prosperity, either, no matter how much they shove Keynes down your throat.

ALL spending must be on the table, with exception to anything specifically called out in the Constitution (which includes debt interest). Not just stuff you don't like, or another party doesn't like.
 
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alfablue said:
It's so very funny when R's complain about the debt and deficit, yet ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS vote for the party that just cuts taxes. And this one is a WHOPPER of a tax cut- $1T added to the deficit. Not the debt, the DEFICIT- which means it will get added that much more every single year. With the hope that tax cuts will lead to a more robust economy.

WHEN HAS THAT EVER HAPPENED??????

Why do some of you continue to vote for these guys if you are HONESTLY worried about the deficit/debt???? I just don't understand that.

You are never going to cut your way to prosperity. Ever.
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So we need another stimulus? I don't think that worked very well either.

I bet the government will probably take any money people want to donate them beyond their tax bill.

So if both extremes don't seem to work, what's the answer? I bet it's somewhere in between.
 
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alfablue said:
It's so very funny when R's complain about the debt and deficit, yet ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS vote for the party that just cuts taxes. And this one is a WHOPPER of a tax cut- $1T added to the deficit. Not the debt, the DEFICIT- which means it will get added that much more every single year. With the hope that tax cuts will lead to a more robust economy.

WHEN HAS THAT EVER HAPPENED??????

Why do some of you continue to vote for these guys if you are HONESTLY worried about the deficit/debt???? I just don't understand that.

You are never going to cut your way to prosperity. Ever.
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Wait, it's the deficit? I've heard debt. But upon further review, it's $1T to the deficit over 10 years. So, it's hard to know how much that would add to the debt. Though, coverage is all over the place if you search for it. Numbers like $1.5T are being thrown out. Debt and deficit are being used interchangeably.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Wait, it's the deficit? I've heard debt. But upon further review, it's $1T to the deficit over 10 years. So, it's hard to know how much that would add to the debt. Though, coverage is all over the place if you search for it. Numbers like $1.5T are being thrown out. Debt and deficit are being used interchangeably.
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$1T over 10 years would mean $100B per year, assuming constant income levels. Fairly close to what we saw with 2003's change in rates based on longevity of incomes, where after about 3 years it was completely made up for. Then *HTF. This is why I mentioned, in my analysis of reading the bill, that I felt it'd be neutral in around the same amount of time.
 
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Tiggsy said:
So we need another stimulus? I don't think that worked very well either.

I bet the government will probably take any money people want to donate them beyond their tax bill.

So if both extremes don't seem to work, what's the answer? I bet it's somewhere in between.
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Know anyone who actually gives a gift to reduce the public debt? Heck, unless I missed a section, you could still write it off on your itemized deductions.
 
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Tiggsy said:
So we need another stimulus? I don't think that worked very well either.

I bet the government will probably take any money people want to donate them beyond their tax bill.

So if both extremes don't seem to work, what's the answer? I bet it's somewhere in between.
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Stimulus worked fine. Only problem with it is it wasn't big enough. It's amazing how many people have amnesia over 2008. I know it's been 9 years but come on people.
 
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Tiggsy said:
So we need another stimulus? I don't think that worked very well either.

I bet the government will probably take any money people want to donate them beyond their tax bill.

So if both extremes don't seem to work, what's the answer? I bet it's somewhere in between.
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I don't think you understand why the government did what it did. Perhaps some light reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Great_Depression

There is almost universal agreement that the government would have slowed or even stopped the Depression if they had acted. Be it through injection of liquidity through the banks or government spending.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Stimulus worked fine. Only problem with it is it wasn't big enough. It's amazing how many people have amnesia over 2008. I know it's been 9 years but come on people.
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It all went to the bankers. Anyone who behaves badly and makes stupid fiscal decisions should be punished.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I don't think you understand why the government did what it did. Perhaps some light reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Great_Depression

There is almost universal agreement that the government would have slowed or even stopped the Depression if they had acted. Be it through injection of liquidity through the banks or government spending.
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Or maybe we should get rid of the centralized federal system that only benefits the 1% and is prone to all of these wild slides.
 
Tiggsy said:
So we need another stimulus? I don't think that worked very well either.

I bet the government will probably take any money people want to donate them beyond their tax bill.

So if both extremes don't seem to work, what's the answer? I bet it's somewhere in between.
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The answer is don’t break the economy through deregulation of financial institutions like dumb dumb did (as well as bubba) but if you do you’re probably gonna need a stimulus plan to fix it.
 
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Tiggsy said:
So we need another stimulus? I don't think that worked very well either.

I bet the government will probably take any money people want to donate them beyond their tax bill.

So if both extremes don't seem to work, what's the answer? I bet it's somewhere in between.
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Last I checked, we had a recessions instead of a depression.

Cutting means taking people OUT of the spending economy. Giving tax breaks to those who save money also takes money OUT of the spending economy.

When was the last republican presidential cycle that didn't lead to a recession? Hasn't been for a long time.
 
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alfablue said:
Last I checked, we had a recessions instead of a depression.

Cutting means taking people OUT of the spending economy. Giving tax breaks to those who save money also takes money OUT of the spending economy.

When was the last republican presidential cycle that didn't lead to a recession? Hasn't been for a long time.
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When does the Fed jack up rates? When do they leave them alone? What happens when rates jack up?

This is why the Fed needs to be audited.
 
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But that has statistical clustering written all over it. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/mueller-papdopoulos-timeline-wikileaks-emails

Almost as striking as the details Special Counsel Robert Mueller lays out about a Trump campaign adviser’s Russia-related communications is the conspicuous gap in the timeline offered in the recently unsealed court documents.

For more than three months, starting in March 2016, George Papadopoulos communicated regularly — on occasion, multiple times a week — with three figures who presented themselves as connected to the Russian government, according to the court filings.

But the timeline laid out in the filings by prosecutors comes to an abrupt halt on July 22, 2016.

That is the day Wikileaks began publishing the hacked Democratic National Committee emails.
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