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POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem
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NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Re: POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem
That's not what he said, dip****: https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/920033675974201344
That's not what he said, dip****: https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/920033675974201344
Re: POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem
While it can, it doesn't work as well.
Fear for the NRA and anger for the "baby killers" is more powerful than being poor and angry that you can't have health care that the democrats want to solve. And every time the democrats bring up ideas that help people, then the R's can counter that with fear of communism and socialism.
In other words, campaigning on fear does better than campaigning on help.
Sorry for triggering Scooby everyone.
The point is the left can use similar tactics to win.
While it can, it doesn't work as well.
Fear for the NRA and anger for the "baby killers" is more powerful than being poor and angry that you can't have health care that the democrats want to solve. And every time the democrats bring up ideas that help people, then the R's can counter that with fear of communism and socialism.
In other words, campaigning on fear does better than campaigning on help.
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NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Re: POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem
Classy: https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/920033675974201344
Classy: https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/920033675974201344
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ScoobyDoo
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Re: POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem
Everything is about him. And him can go **** himself. NOT MY PRESIDENT.
Everything is about him. And him can go **** himself. NOT MY PRESIDENT.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem
Even following approval ratings are worthless. We know what states are voting which way. (outside of a few battlegrounds) Unless his support falls there nne of this matters.
Even following approval ratings are worthless. We know what states are voting which way. (outside of a few battlegrounds) Unless his support falls there nne of this matters.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem
Here is McCain's full statement.
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Thank you, Joe, my old, dear friend, for those mostly undeserved kind words. Vice President Biden and I have known each other for a lot of years now, more than forty, if you’re counting. We knew each other back when we were young and handsome and smarter than everyone else but were too modest to say so.
Joe was already a senator, and I was the Navy’s liaison to the Senate. My duties included escorting senate delegations on overseas trips, and in that capacity, I supervised the disposition of the delegation’s luggage, which could require – now and again – when no one of lower rank was available for the job – that I carry someone worthy’s bag. Once or twice that worthy turned out to be the young senator from Delaware. I’ve resented it ever since.
Joe has heard me joke about that before. I hope he has heard, too, my profession of gratitude for his friendship these many years. It has meant a lot to me. We served in the Senate together for over twenty years, during some eventful times, as we passed from young men to the fossils who appear before you this evening.
We didn’t always agree on the issues. We often argued – sometimes passionately. But we believed in each other’s patriotism and the sincerity of each other’s convictions. We believed in the institution we were privileged to serve in. We believed in our mutual responsibility to help make the place work and to cooperate in finding solutions to our country’s problems. We believed in our country and in our country’s indispensability to international peace and stability and to the progress of humanity. And through it all, whether we argued or agreed, Joe was good company. Thank you, old friend, for your company and your service to America.
Thank you, too, to the National Constitution Center, and everyone associated with it for this award. Thank you for that video, and for the all too generous compliments paid to me this evening. I’m aware of the prestigious company the Liberty Medal places me in. I’m humbled by it, and I’ll try my best not to prove too unworthy of it.
Some years ago, I was present at an event where an earlier Liberty Medal recipient spoke about America’s values and the sacrifices made for them. It was 1991, and I was attending the ceremony commemorating the 50th anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor. The World War II veteran, estimable patriot and good man, President George H.W. Bush, gave a moving speech at the USS Arizona memorial. I remember it very well. His voice was thick with emotion as he neared the end of his address. I imagine he was thinking not only of the brave Americans who lost their lives on December 7, 1941, but of the friends he had served with and lost in the Pacific where he had been the Navy’s youngest aviator.
‘Look at the water here, clear and quiet …’ he directed, ‘One day, in what now seems another lifetime, it wrapped its arms around the finest sons any nation could ever have, and it carried them to a better world.’
He could barely get out the last line, ‘May God bless them, and may God bless America, the most wondrous land on earth.’
The most wondrous land on earth, indeed. I’ve had the good fortune to spend sixty years in service to this wondrous land. It has not been perfect service, to be sure, and there were probably times when the country might have benefited from a little less of my help. But I’ve tried to deserve the privilege as best I can, and I’ve been repaid a thousand times over with adventures, with good company, and with the satisfaction of serving something more important than myself, of being a bit player in the extraordinary story of America. And I am so very grateful.
What a privilege it is to serve this big, boisterous, brawling, intemperate, striving, daring, beautiful, bountiful, brave, magnificent country. With all our flaws, all our mistakes, with all the frailties of human nature as much on display as our virtues, with all the rancor and anger of our politics, we are blessed.
We are living in the land of the free, the land where anything is possible, the land of the immigrant’s dream, the land with the storied past forgotten in the rush to the imagined future, the land that repairs and reinvents itself, the land where a person can escape the consequences of a self-centered youth and know the satisfaction of sacrificing for an ideal, the land where you can go from aimless rebellion to a noble cause, and from the bottom of your class to your party’s nomination for president.
We are blessed, and we have been a blessing to humanity in turn. The international order we helped build from the ashes of world war, and that we defend to this day, has liberated more people from tyranny and poverty than ever before in history. This wondrous land has shared its treasures and ideals and shed the blood of its finest patriots to help make another, better world. And as we did so, we made our own civilization more just, freer, more accomplished and prosperous than the America that existed when I watched my father go off to war on December 7, 1941.
To fear the world we have organized and led for three-quarters of a century, to abandon the ideals we have advanced around the globe, to refuse the obligations of international leadership and our duty to remain 'the last best hope of earth' for the sake of some half-baked, spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems is as unpatriotic as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the past that Americans consigned to the ash heap of history.
We live in a land made of ideals, not blood and soil. We are the custodians of those ideals at home, and their champion abroad. We have done great good in the world. That leadership has had its costs, but we have become incomparably powerful and wealthy as we did. We have a moral obligation to continue in our just cause, and we would bring more than shame on ourselves if we don’t. We will not thrive in a world where our leadership and ideals are absent. We wouldn’t deserve to.
I am the luckiest guy on earth. I have served America’s cause – the cause of our security and the security of our friends, the cause of freedom and equal justice – all my adult life. I haven’t always served it well. I haven’t even always appreciated what I was serving. But among the few compensations of old age is the acuity of hindsight. I see now that I was part of something important that drew me along in its wake even when I was diverted by other interests. I was, knowingly or not, along for the ride as America made the future better than the past.
And I have enjoyed it, every single day of it, the good ones and the not so good ones. I’ve been inspired by the service of better patriots than me. I’ve seen Americans make sacrifices for our country and her causes and for people who were strangers to them but for our common humanity, sacrifices that were much harder than the service asked of me. And I’ve seen the good they have done, the lives they freed from tyranny and injustice, the hope they encouraged, the dreams they made achievable.
May God bless them. May God bless America, and give us the strength and wisdom, the generosity and compassion, to do our duty for this wondrous land, and for the world that counts on us. With all its suffering and dangers, the world still looks to the example and leadership of America to become, another, better place. What greater cause could anyone ever serve.
Thank you again for this honor. I’ll treasure it.
Here is McCain's full statement.
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Thank you, Joe, my old, dear friend, for those mostly undeserved kind words. Vice President Biden and I have known each other for a lot of years now, more than forty, if you’re counting. We knew each other back when we were young and handsome and smarter than everyone else but were too modest to say so.
Joe was already a senator, and I was the Navy’s liaison to the Senate. My duties included escorting senate delegations on overseas trips, and in that capacity, I supervised the disposition of the delegation’s luggage, which could require – now and again – when no one of lower rank was available for the job – that I carry someone worthy’s bag. Once or twice that worthy turned out to be the young senator from Delaware. I’ve resented it ever since.
Joe has heard me joke about that before. I hope he has heard, too, my profession of gratitude for his friendship these many years. It has meant a lot to me. We served in the Senate together for over twenty years, during some eventful times, as we passed from young men to the fossils who appear before you this evening.
We didn’t always agree on the issues. We often argued – sometimes passionately. But we believed in each other’s patriotism and the sincerity of each other’s convictions. We believed in the institution we were privileged to serve in. We believed in our mutual responsibility to help make the place work and to cooperate in finding solutions to our country’s problems. We believed in our country and in our country’s indispensability to international peace and stability and to the progress of humanity. And through it all, whether we argued or agreed, Joe was good company. Thank you, old friend, for your company and your service to America.
Thank you, too, to the National Constitution Center, and everyone associated with it for this award. Thank you for that video, and for the all too generous compliments paid to me this evening. I’m aware of the prestigious company the Liberty Medal places me in. I’m humbled by it, and I’ll try my best not to prove too unworthy of it.
Some years ago, I was present at an event where an earlier Liberty Medal recipient spoke about America’s values and the sacrifices made for them. It was 1991, and I was attending the ceremony commemorating the 50th anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor. The World War II veteran, estimable patriot and good man, President George H.W. Bush, gave a moving speech at the USS Arizona memorial. I remember it very well. His voice was thick with emotion as he neared the end of his address. I imagine he was thinking not only of the brave Americans who lost their lives on December 7, 1941, but of the friends he had served with and lost in the Pacific where he had been the Navy’s youngest aviator.
‘Look at the water here, clear and quiet …’ he directed, ‘One day, in what now seems another lifetime, it wrapped its arms around the finest sons any nation could ever have, and it carried them to a better world.’
He could barely get out the last line, ‘May God bless them, and may God bless America, the most wondrous land on earth.’
The most wondrous land on earth, indeed. I’ve had the good fortune to spend sixty years in service to this wondrous land. It has not been perfect service, to be sure, and there were probably times when the country might have benefited from a little less of my help. But I’ve tried to deserve the privilege as best I can, and I’ve been repaid a thousand times over with adventures, with good company, and with the satisfaction of serving something more important than myself, of being a bit player in the extraordinary story of America. And I am so very grateful.
What a privilege it is to serve this big, boisterous, brawling, intemperate, striving, daring, beautiful, bountiful, brave, magnificent country. With all our flaws, all our mistakes, with all the frailties of human nature as much on display as our virtues, with all the rancor and anger of our politics, we are blessed.
We are living in the land of the free, the land where anything is possible, the land of the immigrant’s dream, the land with the storied past forgotten in the rush to the imagined future, the land that repairs and reinvents itself, the land where a person can escape the consequences of a self-centered youth and know the satisfaction of sacrificing for an ideal, the land where you can go from aimless rebellion to a noble cause, and from the bottom of your class to your party’s nomination for president.
We are blessed, and we have been a blessing to humanity in turn. The international order we helped build from the ashes of world war, and that we defend to this day, has liberated more people from tyranny and poverty than ever before in history. This wondrous land has shared its treasures and ideals and shed the blood of its finest patriots to help make another, better world. And as we did so, we made our own civilization more just, freer, more accomplished and prosperous than the America that existed when I watched my father go off to war on December 7, 1941.
To fear the world we have organized and led for three-quarters of a century, to abandon the ideals we have advanced around the globe, to refuse the obligations of international leadership and our duty to remain 'the last best hope of earth' for the sake of some half-baked, spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems is as unpatriotic as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the past that Americans consigned to the ash heap of history.
We live in a land made of ideals, not blood and soil. We are the custodians of those ideals at home, and their champion abroad. We have done great good in the world. That leadership has had its costs, but we have become incomparably powerful and wealthy as we did. We have a moral obligation to continue in our just cause, and we would bring more than shame on ourselves if we don’t. We will not thrive in a world where our leadership and ideals are absent. We wouldn’t deserve to.
I am the luckiest guy on earth. I have served America’s cause – the cause of our security and the security of our friends, the cause of freedom and equal justice – all my adult life. I haven’t always served it well. I haven’t even always appreciated what I was serving. But among the few compensations of old age is the acuity of hindsight. I see now that I was part of something important that drew me along in its wake even when I was diverted by other interests. I was, knowingly or not, along for the ride as America made the future better than the past.
And I have enjoyed it, every single day of it, the good ones and the not so good ones. I’ve been inspired by the service of better patriots than me. I’ve seen Americans make sacrifices for our country and her causes and for people who were strangers to them but for our common humanity, sacrifices that were much harder than the service asked of me. And I’ve seen the good they have done, the lives they freed from tyranny and injustice, the hope they encouraged, the dreams they made achievable.
May God bless them. May God bless America, and give us the strength and wisdom, the generosity and compassion, to do our duty for this wondrous land, and for the world that counts on us. With all its suffering and dangers, the world still looks to the example and leadership of America to become, another, better place. What greater cause could anyone ever serve.
Thank you again for this honor. I’ll treasure it.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
And today the press releases politicised General Kelly's request to keep things personal, and not have Obama contact the family, by claiming Obama never called him.
All because Trump was asked about why troops were in Niger.
This has passed well into obsession territory. Everything Trump does or doesn't do revolves around Obama and Hillary.
Un. Fu**ing. Believable. Way to go 53% of America.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem
It might have made several decades' worth of difference. McCain was no dove but he wasn't a full-bore neocon like Cheney. Jeb would not have been so hot and heavy to steal FL for a non-relative. And either Gore or McCain would have done a far better job post-9/11 (assuming there even was a 9/11, which given the incompetence of the Dubya regime is an open question).
America was well and truly f-cked by Karl Rove and the racists in South Carolina.
It might have made several decades' worth of difference. McCain was no dove but he wasn't a full-bore neocon like Cheney. Jeb would not have been so hot and heavy to steal FL for a non-relative. And either Gore or McCain would have done a far better job post-9/11 (assuming there even was a 9/11, which given the incompetence of the Dubya regime is an open question).
America was well and truly f-cked by Karl Rove and the racists in South Carolina.
trixR4kids
Well-known member
Re: POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem
There's no reason that the Dems shouldn't play up the fears of what this presidency means for women, minorities, and those who don't have good healthcare already etc. That said they also need to do more than that ideally.
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Did you not listen to the message in the last election?
dumps fear mongering beat all of that. Much simpler items to pretend to be angry about.
Did you not listen to the message in the last election?
dumps fear mongering beat all of that. Much simpler items to pretend to be angry about.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem
The Dems can fearmonger about people losing their healthcare. I'm not even sure it counts as fearmongering when it's true.
We should revive the daisy ad, too.
The Dems can fearmonger about people losing their healthcare. I'm not even sure it counts as fearmongering when it's true.
We should revive the daisy ad, too.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem
Josh Marshall thinks the Dumpster is losing his sh-t.
Josh Marshall thinks the Dumpster is losing his sh-t.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem
McCain should have gone postal after that primary after he found out what Rove and Co. did. It is one thing to attack the man, but to make up lies about his daughter in order to win a primary...McCain would have been a hero had he pimpslapped them for it.
McCain should have gone postal after that primary after he found out what Rove and Co. did. It is one thing to attack the man, but to make up lies about his daughter in order to win a primary...McCain would have been a hero had he pimpslapped them for it.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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Yeah, but that never works. You tell those people the truth about how awful they are and they vote even more.
Yeah, but that never works. You tell those people the truth about how awful they are and they vote even more.
trixR4kids
Well-known member
Re: POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem
Yeah because he was much better at doing it. And he actually had concrete ideas of what he wanted to change rather than wishy washy stuff from a person who talks out both sides of their mouth on various important issues.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem
And all of them were lies. And it was documented that they were lies. And the other candidate explained in great detail how they all were lies. And the liar won. So, don't say concrete. Ideas that are concrete are just ideas. Implementation of ideas is what matters. If a concrete idea is never implemented than it's just NOTHING.
Lying works. And only one party is set up to do that.
And all of them were lies. And it was documented that they were lies. And the other candidate explained in great detail how they all were lies. And the liar won. So, don't say concrete. Ideas that are concrete are just ideas. Implementation of ideas is what matters. If a concrete idea is never implemented than it's just NOTHING.
Lying works. And only one party is set up to do that.
rufus
rock and roller
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Were you not paying attention during the last election? That's exactly what the Democrats were doing. "How can you trust such a thin-skinned person with his finger on the nuclear button?"
But the public was having none of it. Cause Trumpy said they should fear and hate the brown people, and he called Hillary a bunch of nasty names. People ate that stuff right up.
Were you not paying attention during the last election? That's exactly what the Democrats were doing. "How can you trust such a thin-skinned person with his finger on the nuclear button?"
But the public was having none of it. Cause Trumpy said they should fear and hate the brown people, and he called Hillary a bunch of nasty names. People ate that stuff right up.
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