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POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

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joecct said:
It seems like a good idea on paper...

As Ross Perot said in 1992 "That giant sucking sound..."

How are we going to pay for it??? After all the goodies get tacked on, the discretionary $$ in the Federal budget will be immaterial. The Feds %#^&## up everything they touch with Empire building and stacks of red tape.

No.

Find a way to improve the delivery of care first, as opposed to insurance, then we can talk.
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Duh. How much does your insurance cost you, and your employer?

No more insurance payments. Increase taxes by some amount less than what your insurance was costing you. Healthcare for everyone for less money.
 
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

joecct said:
It seems like a good idea on paper...

As Ross Perot said in 1992 "That giant sucking sound..."

How are we going to pay for it??? After all the goodies get tacked on, the discretionary $$ in the Federal budget will be immaterial. The Feds %#^&## up everything they touch with Empire building and stacks of red tape.

No.

Find a way to improve the delivery of care first, as opposed to insurance, then we can talk.
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I preferred the infomerical where he said that too many CEOs think they deserve to be paid like top bill rockstars. It's true.

For every Steve Jobs or Alan Mulally that might arguably deserve it, there are hundreds of Bob Nardellis and Carly Fiorinas that don't. Then when they fail, they get a golden parachute to rub salt in the wound.
 
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As I've asked before:

What do you do with all of the current private health insurance companies?

And the people who work for them?
And their stockholders?

And the businesses they buy from and support?
And their stockholders?

You've just nationalized an industry and made a previously legal line of business illegal.
 
The Sicatoka said:
As I've asked before:

What do you do with all of the current private health insurance companies?

And the people who work for them?
And their stockholders?

And the businesses they buy from and support?
And their stockholders?

You've just nationalized an industry and made a previously legal line of business illegal.
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You don't necessarily have to outlaw it. I don't think it would make much sense for people to still buy it though. Business and industries come and go over time. The economy adjusts and life goes on.
 
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Drew S. said:
You don't necessarily have to outlaw it. I don't think it would make much sense for people to still buy it though. Business and industries come and go over time. The economy adjusts and life goes on.
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Nationalizing an industry puts an Ayn Randian chill in the air.
 
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

The Sicatoka said:
As I've asked before:

What do you do with all of the current private health insurance companies?

And the people who work for them?
And their stockholders?

And the businesses they buy from and support?
And their stockholders?

You've just nationalized an industry and made a previously legal line of business illegal.
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Hire them to administer the new program, the current Healthcare $ already pay for all of them to have jobs. Over time right size the workforce.
 
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

The Sicatoka said:
As I've asked before:

What do you do with all of the current private health insurance companies?

And the people who work for them?
And their stockholders?

And the businesses they buy from and support?
And their stockholders?

You've just nationalized an industry and made a previously legal line of business illegal.
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Those poor buggy-whip makers. Won't anyone feel sorry for them?
 
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

The Sicatoka said:
As I've asked before:

What do you do with all of the current private health insurance companies?

And the people who work for them?
And their stockholders?

And the businesses they buy from and support?
And their stockholders?

You've just nationalized an industry and made a previously legal line of business illegal.
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http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/page4.html

What's so important about private health insurance in America having to downsize jobs for specialization that wasn't important enough to save the jobs in the auto industry, steel industry, etc.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
As I've asked before:

What do you do with all of the current private health insurance companies?

And the people who work for them?
And their stockholders?

And the businesses they buy from and support?
And their stockholders?

You've just nationalized an industry and made a previously legal line of business illegal.
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Why do you give a ****? No one gives a **** about any other industry. Except Coal which Trump is hard for but it dying anyway.
 
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Kepler said:
The third problem is that the states are still in control of implementation and Medicare for All shares that problem.
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Medicaid for all shares that problem. Medicare is federally run.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Nationalizing an industry puts an Ayn Randian chill in the air.
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Yes, because all those poor European countries with their single payer are just hellholes. :rolleyes:

Your GOP scare tactics don't work when you're talking to people who actually see how things work in other countries.
 
unofan said:
Yes, because all those poor European countries with their single payer are just hellholes. :rolleyes:

Your GOP scare tactics don't work when you're talking to people who actually see how things work in other countries.
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Australia is miserable as well. All the people I have talked to from other countries like it a lot. With our resources it really could be wonderful.
 
rufus said:
Duh. How much does your insurance cost you, and your employer?

No more insurance payments. Increase taxes by some amount less than what your insurance was costing you. Healthcare for everyone for less money.
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FEHB ~$160/mo for me. Look it up on the OPM web page what the government pays. Aetna open access.

Not healthcare but health insurance for everyone. You still have to find a doctor who will see you before the change in seasons.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
As I've asked before:

What do you do with all of the current private health insurance companies?

And the people who work for them?
And their stockholders?

And the businesses they buy from and support?
And their stockholders?

You've just nationalized an industry and made a previously legal line of business illegal.
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Many countries have supplemental insurance for those who can afford the Cadillac versions. WHen my friend was in Germany everyone had healthcare but they could get a supplemental plan that got them things faster, etc.

Coming in late but at what point do you figure out the amount of $ that are wasted perpetuating a system that denies care for many are costing us all? I would be curious to see what percentage of $ is spent on things like prior auths, vetting orders, people processing orders that are rejected, people who are hired with the only job being to challenge the rejection of payment for things that clearly are covered (insurances deny first claim as standard practice quite a lot and then say oops!).

I had a test ordered by my provider this week. I still do not have an appointment because they needed to call the hospital who then told them they needed to go thru some special little dance with the insurance co, who then put the person thru to 3 different people before finally saying OK. Now they need to call the hospital back to book. up until 3 yrs ago this test was ordered and I booked it myself, every yr. Think about the man hours, cost of them, the time and effort all because every insurance is different and the rules change every 6 months. Wasted money that could have been spent paying for a test.

THe insurance co are so bloated with redundancy. They advertise they are there to take care of you but they are there to make the investors money. So what I want to know is why are we handing them millions we supposedly don't have to perpetuate them making money for money's sake?
 
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The Sicatoka said:
As I've asked before:

What do you do with all of the current private health insurance companies?

And the people who work for them?
And their stockholders?

And the businesses they buy from and support?
And their stockholders?

You've just nationalized an industry and made a previously legal line of business illegal.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Helen Lovejoy.
 
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The best part? We can put those dip**** CEOs out on the street, figuratively speaking, for making hundreds of millions of dollars on he backs of the sick.

**** them with a chainsaw.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Nationalizing an industry puts an Ayn Randian chill in the air.
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The proper misuse of hyperbole there, would be "Orwellian". No one over the age of 25 should take that delusional old bat and her drab, over-long fondling of the entitled, white, male nerd's superhero complex seriously.
 
The Sicatoka said:
As I've asked before:

What do you do with all of the current private health insurance companies?

And the people who work for them?
And their stockholders?

And the businesses they buy from and support?
And their stockholders?

You've just nationalized an industry and made a previously legal line of business illegal.
Click to expand...

Every other country on earth already figured this out.
 
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