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POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
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The Pulitzer winners so far this year just from this event.
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Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
It is no different than the people who blamed the Black Marchers for getting beat up by White Cops and on lookers cause they dared walk down the street. Of course at least they didnt pretend they were being fair and just admitted they hated Blacks.
They are right though, Obama did divide us just not in the way they think he did. Prior to Obama the racist factions were underground and were only tacitly part of the Right Wing. The Second Ole' Darky got all uppity and got 'imself elected Prezdent they came out in full force. Now they dont even hide, they elected a bigot and his Klan of Racists to office and they are emboldened. And now, they have a National "News" outlet backing them not just WKKK Local News in Bama!
It is no different than the people who blamed the Black Marchers for getting beat up by White Cops and on lookers cause they dared walk down the street. Of course at least they didnt pretend they were being fair and just admitted they hated Blacks.
They are right though, Obama did divide us just not in the way they think he did. Prior to Obama the racist factions were underground and were only tacitly part of the Right Wing. The Second Ole' Darky got all uppity and got 'imself elected Prezdent they came out in full force. Now they dont even hide, they elected a bigot and his Klan of Racists to office and they are emboldened. And now, they have a National "News" outlet backing them not just WKKK Local News in Bama!
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At the same time, anyone who wants to counter protest to declare that the other person's opinion is not shared should be allowed too. And the original group should be grown up enough to allow other people their right to free speech and free assembly as well.
Getting shouted down is still allowing you to speak. Having an opinions means that other people may have a different opinion.
You can't respond to counter protests with violence. But that pattern of physical bullying was well laid out in dumps campaign. Happened a few times, and other than a few words, was never really stopped. I thought it was more encouraged.
BTW, I do remember that Brent was very, very upset at the protests in Minneapolis, I don't recall any real threats- but that they should not be allowed to protest like they did. It would taking some digging, but I clearly remember that.
At the same time, anyone who wants to counter protest to declare that the other person's opinion is not shared should be allowed too. And the original group should be grown up enough to allow other people their right to free speech and free assembly as well.
Getting shouted down is still allowing you to speak. Having an opinions means that other people may have a different opinion.
You can't respond to counter protests with violence. But that pattern of physical bullying was well laid out in dumps campaign. Happened a few times, and other than a few words, was never really stopped. I thought it was more encouraged.
BTW, I do remember that Brent was very, very upset at the protests in Minneapolis, I don't recall any real threats- but that they should not be allowed to protest like they did. It would taking some digging, but I clearly remember that.
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It didn't help that R's ONLY goal was to stop President Obama. First from getting elected a second time and then getting anything done. Other than that, they had no agenda. So the racist got a lot of "acceptance" thanks to R's in congress. Again, they only have themselves to blame. assuming they actually feel bad about this.
It didn't help that R's ONLY goal was to stop President Obama. First from getting elected a second time and then getting anything done. Other than that, they had no agenda. So the racist got a lot of "acceptance" thanks to R's in congress. Again, they only have themselves to blame. assuming they actually feel bad about this.
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IMHO anyone who calls it anything but terrorism loses all credibility on the term. There is no difference between what this terrorist did and what a Suicide Bomber does. The only difference is we cant declare war on the White Terrorists because we already fought a war over that.
And as for the "well perhaps the Anti-Protesters caused this" BS...a bunch f self identifying racists are marching through town with guns and torches (in flipping Virginia!) you think that might trigger something? I said it yesterday, if BLM did the same thing all hell breaks lose and some of the BLMers would be dead right now. Hell the cops would have killed a few just for having guns and daring to be Black. And if they dared block traffic some Online Justice Warriors would be hoping that someone threw rocks at them or drove through the protests because how dare they?!?!? Havent heard that anywhere about this one though...
IMHO anyone who calls it anything but terrorism loses all credibility on the term. There is no difference between what this terrorist did and what a Suicide Bomber does. The only difference is we cant declare war on the White Terrorists because we already fought a war over that.
And as for the "well perhaps the Anti-Protesters caused this" BS...a bunch f self identifying racists are marching through town with guns and torches (in flipping Virginia!) you think that might trigger something? I said it yesterday, if BLM did the same thing all hell breaks lose and some of the BLMers would be dead right now. Hell the cops would have killed a few just for having guns and daring to be Black. And if they dared block traffic some Online Justice Warriors would be hoping that someone threw rocks at them or drove through the protests because how dare they?!?!? Havent heard that anywhere about this one though...
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I'm convinced divisiveness is the biggest issue we face right now. This thread is a great example of how people force their preconceived narratives on others. How we fix it is completely beyond me.
Along the lines of your post there was a great article in today's NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/sunday/identity-politics-white-men.html
I'm convinced divisiveness is the biggest issue we face right now. This thread is a great example of how people force their preconceived narratives on others. How we fix it is completely beyond me.
Along the lines of your post there was a great article in today's NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/sunday/identity-politics-white-men.html
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Christ read the comments...lots of White People blaming the Anti-Protesters. So Free Speech matters for the White People marching to protect the statue of a traitor but not for the people who think those people are wrong. Gee...how convenient.
Since we know The South doesnt have the balls to actually leave again (since we would let them and watch them starve) can we just kick them out. These people arent American, they have no love for this country. Let the Slave states be a White Flight Haven...in a decade they will so broke we could buy them back for pennies on the dollar.
Christ read the comments...lots of White People blaming the Anti-Protesters. So Free Speech matters for the White People marching to protect the statue of a traitor but not for the people who think those people are wrong. Gee...how convenient.
Since we know The South doesnt have the balls to actually leave again (since we would let them and watch them starve) can we just kick them out. These people arent American, they have no love for this country. Let the Slave states be a White Flight Haven...in a decade they will so broke we could buy them back for pennies on the dollar.
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There were 4 arrests total I believe. Compare that to your average BLM march or even Occupy.
There were 4 arrests total I believe. Compare that to your average BLM march or even Occupy.
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Brent was upset about the protests but he just wanted them arrested for the weak *** crime of blocking traffic. It was other people on GPL (and I wont name them cause I think they post here too) who implied or outright said (when there was a protest at the U) that if he was there he would just step on the gas and go right through them. Saw even more of it on Facebook...yeah heaven forbid you be stuck in traffic...how dare them uppity Negroes want justice who do they think they are I have to get home and watch SPORTS!!!!
The rest of your post is dead on though. The First Amendment either counts for both sides or it counts for neither. Violence automatically negates your free speech though. Once you act violently you lose that right.
Brent was upset about the protests but he just wanted them arrested for the weak *** crime of blocking traffic. It was other people on GPL (and I wont name them cause I think they post here too) who implied or outright said (when there was a protest at the U) that if he was there he would just step on the gas and go right through them. Saw even more of it on Facebook...yeah heaven forbid you be stuck in traffic...how dare them uppity Negroes want justice who do they think they are I have to get home and watch SPORTS!!!!
The rest of your post is dead on though. The First Amendment either counts for both sides or it counts for neither. Violence automatically negates your free speech though. Once you act violently you lose that right.
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I was indeed upset at the protesters blocking freeways, etc. I don't care what the protesters were protesting, don't block a friggin' freeway. I won't shy down from that opinion.
If the alt-right groups blocked a freeway, I'd hold the same opinion. Arrest 'em and charge 'em.
I was indeed upset at the protesters blocking freeways, etc. I don't care what the protesters were protesting, don't block a friggin' freeway. I won't shy down from that opinion.
If the alt-right groups blocked a freeway, I'd hold the same opinion. Arrest 'em and charge 'em.
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It's hardly society's fault that these vestal virgins of white supremacy couldn't even get laid by the toothless lot lizard at the local truck stop. The majority of them were born to parents that taught them this crap, or at least tacitly permitted them to develop those hateful views (as we saw based on the interview with the driver's mother).
It's hardly society's fault that these vestal virgins of white supremacy couldn't even get laid by the toothless lot lizard at the local truck stop. The majority of them were born to parents that taught them this crap, or at least tacitly permitted them to develop those hateful views (as we saw based on the interview with the driver's mother).
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Really. Preconceived narratives you say? You know what might help...if you actually posted something that was an original thought and not something you aped from "the news".
Oh and BTW did it ever occur to you that we are posting based on "preconceived notions" (who did you steal that from?) because everything that is happening parallels what we thought would happen? Have a bunch of racists with weapons in the vicinity of people telling them they are racist bigots and the bigots are going to beat dem darkies!! This isnt about bias, it is about observable fact. That is what your side never seems to get anymore.
You want to not be called out for false equivalency...stop talking like your Hero the Nimrod in Chief and just call a spade a spade. I dont see you on here talking about how both sides are bad when it comes to other forms of terrorism so dont do it here. Dont put both sides of this in the argument...one side started this and is responsible for almost all of the horrors that happened. You want to be fair and balanced, call out the ones who did it dont throw in a bit of victim blaming with it. The Anti-Protesters may have have added to the tension, but they werent the ones driving trucks through the crowd and beating Black People with clubs screaming racist stuff. Them shouting down bigots /= what the bigots did. When you say the stuff you said (and what the President said) that is what you are implying whether you mean to or not.
Really. Preconceived narratives you say? You know what might help...if you actually posted something that was an original thought and not something you aped from "the news".
Oh and BTW did it ever occur to you that we are posting based on "preconceived notions" (who did you steal that from?) because everything that is happening parallels what we thought would happen? Have a bunch of racists with weapons in the vicinity of people telling them they are racist bigots and the bigots are going to beat dem darkies!! This isnt about bias, it is about observable fact. That is what your side never seems to get anymore.
You want to not be called out for false equivalency...stop talking like your Hero the Nimrod in Chief and just call a spade a spade. I dont see you on here talking about how both sides are bad when it comes to other forms of terrorism so dont do it here. Dont put both sides of this in the argument...one side started this and is responsible for almost all of the horrors that happened. You want to be fair and balanced, call out the ones who did it dont throw in a bit of victim blaming with it. The Anti-Protesters may have have added to the tension, but they werent the ones driving trucks through the crowd and beating Black People with clubs screaming racist stuff. Them shouting down bigots /= what the bigots did. When you say the stuff you said (and what the President said) that is what you are implying whether you mean to or not.
trixR4kids
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Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
Hell numerous states are trying to protect people who hit protesters with their car now.
Hell numerous states are trying to protect people who hit protesters with their car now.
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There would have been 4...the rest would be in the hospital.
There would have been 4...the rest would be in the hospital.
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If you're so concerned with divisiveness why don't you ever speak against the NRA videos of late? Spewing hate, vowing to get people.
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Or his president for putting Gorka/Bannon/Miller in the White House. I'm sure him or Sica will somehow act like BLM is just as bad instead and somehow use that as a diversion.
Or his president for putting Gorka/Bannon/Miller in the White House. I'm sure him or Sica will somehow act like BLM is just as bad instead and somehow use that as a diversion.
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Cause 2nd Amendement >>>>>> Everything Else in the World!
Cause 2nd Amendement >>>>>> Everything Else in the World!
I had heard about it but never actually watched it until I saw your post. It's bizarre to say the least. It doesn't really have anything to do with guns and has a really negative message.
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https://twitter.com/_NellyCat/status/896254000282128384
This is just asinine https://twitter.com/gabrielsherman/status/896714418490355714
https://twitter.com/_NellyCat/status/896254000282128384
This is just asinine https://twitter.com/gabrielsherman/status/896714418490355714
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The hard right are cowards; always have been, always will be. They idolize the military because they lack the mental stability to be accepted there. They fall under the spell of rightwing and religious demagogues because they lack the mental acuity to recognize BS. They are losers. They come to these events armed because they know the opposition won't be. They are the bully who punches someone whose arms are held by his buddies.
There's a guy from National Review on Chuck Todd right now making an equivalency between Antifa and the murderer. The National Review, FFS. The political right is a cesspool, and they are breeding killers. What started as a garden variety con of the white poor to steal money by the 1% has become a genuine threat to public security by the perpetual dregs of our nation. DeNazification is long overdue.
The hard right are cowards; always have been, always will be. They idolize the military because they lack the mental stability to be accepted there. They fall under the spell of rightwing and religious demagogues because they lack the mental acuity to recognize BS. They are losers. They come to these events armed because they know the opposition won't be. They are the bully who punches someone whose arms are held by his buddies.
There's a guy from National Review on Chuck Todd right now making an equivalency between Antifa and the murderer. The National Review, FFS. The political right is a cesspool, and they are breeding killers. What started as a garden variety con of the white poor to steal money by the 1% has become a genuine threat to public security by the perpetual dregs of our nation. DeNazification is long overdue.
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