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POTUS 45.14 - No Confusion, It's Collusion!

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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Spicer has resigned! I need some popcorn.
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The guy was lost up there. And it doesn't take much to put Fake News Acosta in his place, as we've found from Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Oh but wait, I thought Trump was a misogynistic bigot that doesn't like women... even more fake news!
 
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MaizeRage said:
Unicorns might be real too, but that doesn't change how I view horses.
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"A man breaking his journey between one place and another at a third place of no name, character, population or significance, sees a unicorn cross his path and disappear. That in itself is startling, but there are precedents for mystical encounters of various kinds, or to be less extreme, a choice of persuasions to put it down to fancy; until --"My God," says a second man, "I must be dreaming, I thought I saw a unicorn." At which point, a dimension is added that makes the experience as alarming as it will ever be. A third witness, you understand, adds no further dimension but only spreads it thinner, and a fourth thinner still, and the more witnesses there are the thinner it gets and the more reasonable it becomes until it is as thin as reality, the name we give to the common experience... "Look, look!" recites the crowd. "A horse with an arrow in its forehead! It must have been mistaken for a deer."
 
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Kepler said:
I think there are principled conservatives who genuinely worry about the erosion of democracy and the replacement of the republic with a centrally-controlled tyrannical state. I think the people who were complaining about that under Obama, while they may have been delusional that Obama was anything like that, were sincere in their worry in the abstract that it could happen.

That's why I'm addressing them now. It is happening. There are two obstacles to them acting. The first is hypocrisy -- they only mean that stuff when it's somebody they don't agree with and they're perfectly compliant with a conservative dictatorship. Obviously some are like that but I don't think more than a trivial number -- the same number who would be perfectly compliant with a liberal dictatorship. The second obstacle is that they don't even see the problem because their news media has their brains scrambled. That's possible so it's up to the opposition to keep putting the evidence and the question. In the case of Trump we actually have an ally -- he's so mindblowingly OBVIOUS that he's not even hiding it. It would be much more difficult to hurdle obstacle two with a smart and subtle would-be tyrant.

Drew seems to be saying he doesn't care -- it's nothing. He's not getting over the second obstacle, partisanship prevents him from seeing that there is any problem to act on. But the thing is, with Trump it's never over -- the evidence is only going to get worse and his actions are only going to get more obvious, so Drew is in a way an interesting lab experiment. How many straws can that camel take?
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What specifically are you talking about with regard to Trump? The self dealing stuff I don't like, but its something that is probably more business than usual than any of us would care to admit. If its Russia I would need to see a lot more evidence of collusion.

I'll be honest that I think most of the stuff around Trump is a sideshow from the serious issues facing the country. We're going to go bankrupt if we don't get our act together. I really think the financial situation is much worse than it gets credit for, especially when you factor in states and municipalities. It's hard to stop momentum and we have been running huge deficits forever. Hopefully it can be turned around but it seems a long way away at this point.
 
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Trump will reportedly be at his Bedminster course from August 3 to August 20. Sure, he lied about how much vacationing and golf he would be doing, but at least he's not a phony like Hillary.
 
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Drew S. said:
What specifically are you talking about with regard to Trump? The self dealing stuff I don't like, but its something that is probably more business than usual than any of us would care to admit. If its Russia I would need to see a lot more evidence of collusion.

I'll be honest that I think most of the stuff around Trump is a sideshow from the serious issues facing the country. We're going to go bankrupt if we don't get our act together. I really think the financial situation is much worse than it gets credit for, especially when you factor in states and municipalities. It's hard to stop momentum and we have been running huge deficits forever. Hopefully it can be turned around but it seems a long way away at this point.
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Do you know who was President each time the deficit quite farking literally turned around, and which direction it turned?
 
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Drew S. said:
What specifically are you talking about with regard to Trump? The self dealing stuff I don't like, but its something that is probably more business than usual than any of us would care to admit. If its Russia I would need to see a lot more evidence of collusion.

I'll be honest that I think most of the stuff around Trump is a sideshow from the serious issues facing the country. We're going to go bankrupt if we don't get our act together. I really think the financial situation is much worse than it gets credit for, especially when you factor in states and municipalities. It's hard to stop momentum and we have been running huge deficits forever. Hopefully it can be turned around but it seems a long way away at this point.
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I don't think Russia is a distraction. It's possible to have systemic fiscal problems and also have ethics problems.

The ethics problems with Trump seem to me to be undeniable and severe, but our different feelings might be partisanship. For instance, I thought Obama was the most stand-up administration in my lifetime and I know the right was always hollering like he was Satan Himself.

The fiscal issues and deficits come down to 40 years of GOP borrow and spend. Collect taxes on the wealthy and those problems go away, but one party decided for whatever reasons that the rich are off limits for progressive taxation. I believe 90% of our economic and societal problems stem from that one blind ideological error but the evidence is so overwhelming that I understand the right will never see sense. We will simply have to win over the rest of the country and restore sanity ourselves.
 
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Drew S. said:
What specifically are you talking about with regard to Trump? The self dealing stuff I don't like, but its something that is probably more business than usual than any of us would care to admit. If its Russia I would need to see a lot more evidence of collusion.

I'll be honest that I think most of the stuff around Trump is a sideshow from the serious issues facing the country. We're going to go bankrupt if we don't get our act together. I really think the financial situation is much worse than it gets credit for, especially when you factor in states and municipalities. It's hard to stop momentum and we have been running huge deficits forever. Hopefully it can be turned around but it seems a long way away at this point.
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Step one, stop cutting taxes. It does nothing except give people who don't need it even more money. It's never had an actual impact on jobs.

And "trickle down" economics has resulted in a massive deficit or just ruined state's economies- whichever you choose.

But it's nice to hear you confirm over and over again that you are willing to have a russian cancer. Not a big deal at all. Collusion is needed for it to be bad...
 
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jerphisch said:
Do you know who was President each time the deficit quite farking literally turned around, and which direction it turned?
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The last one who did that was Bill Clinton. He ended up with a surplus.

Stunning.

Given that Obama went from an incredibly deep hole to just a deep hole, I doubt many will give him credit for it, anyway.
 
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Drew S. said:
What specifically are you talking about with regard to Trump? The self dealing stuff I don't like, but its something that is probably more business than usual than any of us would care to admit. If its Russia I would need to see a lot more evidence of collusion.

I'll be honest that I think most of the stuff around Trump is a sideshow from the serious issues facing the country. We're going to go bankrupt if we don't get our act together. I really think the financial situation is much worse than it gets credit for, especially when you factor in states and municipalities. It's hard to stop momentum and we have been running huge deficits forever. Hopefully it can be turned around but it seems a long way away at this point.
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Basically what he's doing is taking his party's sins and portraying them on Trump. Classic bait and switch to try to re-apply the curtain.

Only way we get our act together is to stop the pork spending. The idiots in Congress think that's the only way to keep their job. And no, jerp, stealing from Social Security to balance the budget is not an acceptable way of doing so.
 
alfablue said:
Step one, stop cutting taxes. It does nothing except give people who don't need it even more money. It's never had an actual impact on jobs.

And "trickle down" economics has resulted in a massive deficit or just ruined state's economies- whichever you choose.

But it's nice to hear you confirm over and over again that you are willing to have a russian cancer. Not a big deal at all. Collusion is needed for it to be bad...
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Agreed some of the tax cuts last 15 years were a mistake, but the problems are deeper than that. Don't forget that a lot of liberal states have huge financial issues. The solution is much more complex than just raising taxes.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Trump will reportedly be at his Bedminster course from August 3 to August 20. Sure, he lied about how much vacationing and golf he would be doing, but at least he's not a phony like Hillary.
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It's just 20 miles from Bedminster to NJ's Greystone Park Psychiatric Hospital in Morris Plains. Just sayin'.
 
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Drew S. said:
Agreed some of the tax cuts last 15 years were a mistake, but the problems are deeper than that. Don't forget that a lot of liberal states have huge financial issues. The solution is much more complex than just raising taxes.
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There are other problems, but none of them will be dealt with without first removing the ability to bribe public officials. Criminalize political contributions by any entity other than a US registered voter and limit that voter's contribution based on some factor of the median income. Let's say median income is $50k. Cap the sum of all political contributions in a given cycle -- to candidates, PAC, or anything else -- to 10% of that: $5k. Allow people to donate their time for free; if George Soros wants to bang on doors fine let him. Make all campaign contributions completely public knowledge. Know who is buying your elected official.

Bribery by the 1% has given us a political system that screws both liberals and conservatives and only feeds the super-rich. We have to break their control and both parties have to do it. Both parties are implicated so both parties must restore representative government to the voters.
 
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Drew S. said:
Agreed some of the tax cuts last 15 years were a mistake, but the problems are deeper than that. Don't forget that a lot of liberal states have huge financial issues. The solution is much more complex than just raising taxes.
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Step one is just the first step. But it's, by far, the most important step.

Had my state not cut taxes, we'd be in a whole lot better place, and it's likely that Detroit would never have had to do bankruptcy.

Then you can work on the waste and bad spending habits.
 
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