Interesting, I always thought it was 30. I'm already 3 generations behind!
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POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News
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Interesting, I always thought it was 30. I'm already 3 generations behind!
Kepler
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In Nixon's time Congress was controlled by the opposition party. That helped at every stage of the investigations. The GOP will never be serious about investigating Trump; nothing substantial will happen unless/until the Democrats take one or both chambers.
The only "good" thing about this GOP is Trump is an outsider to them so they won't need to actively obstruct justice to protect their own connections, as they did with Reagan and Iran/Contra (a more serious Constitutional crisis than Watergate -- Reagan should have been impeached, but with a Senate majority he could have walked down Fifth Avenue shooting people).
In Nixon's time Congress was controlled by the opposition party. That helped at every stage of the investigations. The GOP will never be serious about investigating Trump; nothing substantial will happen unless/until the Democrats take one or both chambers.
The only "good" thing about this GOP is Trump is an outsider to them so they won't need to actively obstruct justice to protect their own connections, as they did with Reagan and Iran/Contra (a more serious Constitutional crisis than Watergate -- Reagan should have been impeached, but with a Senate majority he could have walked down Fifth Avenue shooting people).
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Yes, I was playing East Coast Dick. I thought that was obvious.
Yes, I was playing East Coast Dick. I thought that was obvious.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News
I'm not advocating waiting. I'm saying that while they're more vocal now than perhaps ever, the right has always has a large, undigestable chunk of these people. They exist in every country; even the Swiss and the Norwegians have them. The polite term is Reactionaries. Some combination of geography, religion, and brain chemistry makes them like that, and yes, they will never change.
It is entirely possible to remain a republic and a nation of laws and even a civil civil society despite them -- we have done it for 200 years. And it is true that over time they shrink as a percentage of the electorate, despite having litters of children. People move out of that group -- they get an education and/or move to someplace cosmopolitan and almost despite themselves they lose their autonomic terror of anyone who is different, and as population goes up around the whole country more and more places become cosmopolitan -- there are small towns now that are as diverse as big cities were fifty years ago.
Plus very few people move into that group. You have to be born inside those prison walls. So demographically they are fighting a losing battle. They'll always be a factor because there will always be city slickers who exploit them by playing to their worst fears. That has been the national GOP rural strategy since Atwater, and of course the lucrative media strategy of News Corp, Sinclair et al -- con men putting up a midway to fleece the rubes. But, they are diminishing, so while we have to keep fighting them the fight will become easier. And of course the inflamation waxes and wanes with economic waves. They were big in the 1930s and they're back again now. The 30s are a lesson in just how dangerous they can be, but also that they are perishable and their peaks are brief, like locusts.
I'm not advocating waiting. I'm saying that while they're more vocal now than perhaps ever, the right has always has a large, undigestable chunk of these people. They exist in every country; even the Swiss and the Norwegians have them. The polite term is Reactionaries. Some combination of geography, religion, and brain chemistry makes them like that, and yes, they will never change.
It is entirely possible to remain a republic and a nation of laws and even a civil civil society despite them -- we have done it for 200 years. And it is true that over time they shrink as a percentage of the electorate, despite having litters of children. People move out of that group -- they get an education and/or move to someplace cosmopolitan and almost despite themselves they lose their autonomic terror of anyone who is different, and as population goes up around the whole country more and more places become cosmopolitan -- there are small towns now that are as diverse as big cities were fifty years ago.
Plus very few people move into that group. You have to be born inside those prison walls. So demographically they are fighting a losing battle. They'll always be a factor because there will always be city slickers who exploit them by playing to their worst fears. That has been the national GOP rural strategy since Atwater, and of course the lucrative media strategy of News Corp, Sinclair et al -- con men putting up a midway to fleece the rubes. But, they are diminishing, so while we have to keep fighting them the fight will become easier. And of course the inflamation waxes and wanes with economic waves. They were big in the 1930s and they're back again now. The 30s are a lesson in just how dangerous they can be, but also that they are perishable and their peaks are brief, like locusts.
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WeAreNDHockey
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We were a different people in the 1980s, no matter what one thinks of Reagan as a person or president. He could not have behaved like trump is today and survived politically.
I don't think the Iran/Contra affair was all that similar to trump's offenses either. While Reagan's actions were possibly impeachable I don't think he behaved as he did because he had the cover of a republican Senate and I also don't think it was a more serious constitutional crisis than Watergate. Watergate struck at the very heart of the rule of law, Iran/Contra was much more a political crisis, illegal as hell sure, but to me it never rose to the level of a president trying to obstruct justice like Watergate did.
I also don't think the scandal had much or anything to do with the Senate returning to Democratic control either as hardly anything (anything at all?) was known about it in November of 1986. Most of the Democratic gains in 1986 came at the hands of republican Senators who would not have won their seats in 1980 without Reagan's coattails. And anyway, the House never came close, either in 1980 or at any other time during Reagan's presidency, to being controlled by republicans so Reagan could still have been impeached had the congress wanted it.
I also think trump's "outsider" status will have absolutely no bearing on what congress does beyond how much they might protect his presidency by working with him on legislation. republican's care about 2 things, the little "r" and their chances of reelection. As long as they believe the latter is safe, the former will dictate their actions. If trump does stuff they like, they'll be right there with him, if he doesn't they'll excuse his actions like Paul Ryan or a handful of posters here do. Only those who fear a loss in November '18 will act even remotely patriotically. Worse yet, those who fear a primary challenge from the extreme right will behave in an even more treasonous fashion.
We were a different people in the 1980s, no matter what one thinks of Reagan as a person or president. He could not have behaved like trump is today and survived politically.
I don't think the Iran/Contra affair was all that similar to trump's offenses either. While Reagan's actions were possibly impeachable I don't think he behaved as he did because he had the cover of a republican Senate and I also don't think it was a more serious constitutional crisis than Watergate. Watergate struck at the very heart of the rule of law, Iran/Contra was much more a political crisis, illegal as hell sure, but to me it never rose to the level of a president trying to obstruct justice like Watergate did.
I also don't think the scandal had much or anything to do with the Senate returning to Democratic control either as hardly anything (anything at all?) was known about it in November of 1986. Most of the Democratic gains in 1986 came at the hands of republican Senators who would not have won their seats in 1980 without Reagan's coattails. And anyway, the House never came close, either in 1980 or at any other time during Reagan's presidency, to being controlled by republicans so Reagan could still have been impeached had the congress wanted it.
I also think trump's "outsider" status will have absolutely no bearing on what congress does beyond how much they might protect his presidency by working with him on legislation. republican's care about 2 things, the little "r" and their chances of reelection. As long as they believe the latter is safe, the former will dictate their actions. If trump does stuff they like, they'll be right there with him, if he doesn't they'll excuse his actions like Paul Ryan or a handful of posters here do. Only those who fear a loss in November '18 will act even remotely patriotically. Worse yet, those who fear a primary challenge from the extreme right will behave in an even more treasonous fashion.
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Wiki ascribes the 20-yr generation meme as a baseline for primitive cultures (but still leaves a lot of wiggle room): "The average age of mothers at birth of their first child was 20 and at the last birth 31, giving a mean of 25.5 years per female generation — considerably above the 20 years often attributed to primitive cultures. Husbands were six to 13 years older, giving a male generational interval of 31 to 38 years."
The popular culture reference interval averages 30 or 35 years, the primitive biological generation is 20. So it depends on what you're referencing.
Wiki ascribes the 20-yr generation meme as a baseline for primitive cultures (but still leaves a lot of wiggle room): "The average age of mothers at birth of their first child was 20 and at the last birth 31, giving a mean of 25.5 years per female generation — considerably above the 20 years often attributed to primitive cultures. Husbands were six to 13 years older, giving a male generational interval of 31 to 38 years."
The popular culture reference interval averages 30 or 35 years, the primitive biological generation is 20. So it depends on what you're referencing.
For the wimmin. For the men folks it's 50-ish depending on which wife you're talking.
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It must be that this element has always been out there but that the web has turned rock over.
It must be that this element has always been out there but that the web has turned rock over.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
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Fake News is now turning to illegal coercion. https://www.infowars.com/cnn-rocked-by-huge-backlash-after-it-blackmails-creator-of-trumpcnn-meme/
Fake News is now turning to illegal coercion. https://www.infowars.com/cnn-rocked-by-huge-backlash-after-it-blackmails-creator-of-trumpcnn-meme/
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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Was at a party yesterday and saw it in it's fully glory. It is something to behold.
Also, isn't it interesting that the Senate 98-2 passed a bipartisan Russia sanction bill and it languishes in the House. Very curious.
Was at a party yesterday and saw it in it's fully glory. It is something to behold.
Also, isn't it interesting that the Senate 98-2 passed a bipartisan Russia sanction bill and it languishes in the House. Very curious.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
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It was always out there...they were the crackpots who were largely ignored for being nutjobs. You can see lots of them in documentaries about stuff like Ruby Ridge. The difference was back then the GOP didnt embrace them...now they make up the true base of the GOP.
It was always out there...they were the crackpots who were largely ignored for being nutjobs. You can see lots of them in documentaries about stuff like Ruby Ridge. The difference was back then the GOP didnt embrace them...now they make up the true base of the GOP.
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News
Who among us hasn't been able to find their car in a crowded parking lot? https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/882356667391725570/video/1
Who among us hasn't been able to find their car in a crowded parking lot? https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/882356667391725570/video/1
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News
Yikes.
They hid Reagan's dementia extremely well for 3 years.
Yikes.
They hid Reagan's dementia extremely well for 3 years.
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My wife not only went up to the wrong car once, but it was unlocked and she got in. At that point she realized it was not hers.
My wife not only went up to the wrong car once, but it was unlocked and she got in. At that point she realized it was not hers.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News
I'll bet it wasn't a limo. Or on the tarmac. Or the only vehicle within miles.
I'll bet it wasn't a limo. Or on the tarmac. Or the only vehicle within miles.
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