POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

[bronconick]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

From what I can figure out CNN went to the guy and said desist or we will give you credit for what you posted. Way more restrained than what I would want considering the job these people do to the journalists. You know dam well if it was the other side they would be hanging the guy out to dry by his balls.

They should just give the info out going forward.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

They should just give the info out going forward.

100% agree. This was where they lost a small amount of credibility with me.

 

[The Rube]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

Just call them snowflakes, you know you're dying to.

No, not really. Trump is acting exactly like CNN is, and he's getting ripped, and CNN are the good guys? No. Someone made a gif ripping CNN. *shrug* but nope, CNN chases down the guy.

Let's rephrase: someone rips Trump, and he chases down that person.

Same difference.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

The laughingstock of the world.

A press release following Donald Trump's meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping at the G20 summit called him president "of the Republic of China". That is the official name of Taiwan. Mr Xi is, in fact, President of the People's Republic of China.

Earlier, the White House had also labelled Shinzo Abe president of Japan. He is the prime minister.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

The noose begins to tighten.

Two weeks after Donald J. Trump clinched the Republican presidential nomination last year, his eldest son arranged a meeting at Trump Tower in Manhattan with a Russian lawyer who has connections to the Kremlin, according to confidential government records described to The New York Times.

The previously unreported meeting was also attended by Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman at the time, Paul J. Manafort, as well as the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, according to interviews and the documents, which were outlined by people familiar with them.

While President Trump has been dogged by revelations of undisclosed meetings between his associates and Russians, this episode at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016, is the first confirmed private meeting between a Russian national and members of Mr. Trump’s inner circle during the campaign. It is also the first time that his son Donald Trump Jr. is known to have been involved in such a meeting.

Representatives of Donald Trump Jr. and Mr. Kushner confirmed the meeting after The Times approached them with information about it. In a statement, Donald Jr. described the meeting as primarily about an adoption program. The statement did not address whether the presidential campaign was discussed.

American intelligence agencies have concluded that Russian hackers and propagandists worked to tip the election toward Mr. Trump, and a special prosecutor and congressional committees are now investigating whether his campaign associates colluded with Russians. Mr. Trump has disputed that, but the investigation has cast a shadow over his administration for months.

Mr. Trump has also equivocated on whether the Russians were solely responsible for the hacking. But in Germany on Friday, meeting President Vladimir V. Putin for the first time as president, Mr. Trump questioned him about the hacking. The Russian leader denied meddling in the election.

The Russian lawyer invited to the Trump Tower meeting, Natalia Veselnitskaya, is best known for mounting a multipronged attack against the Magnitsky Act, an American law that blacklists suspected Russian human rights abusers. The law so enraged Mr. Putin that he retaliated by halting American adoptions of Russian children.

The adoption impasse is a frequently used talking point for opponents of the Magnitsky Act. Ms. Veselnitskaya’s campaign against the law has also included attempts to discredit its namesake, Sergei L. Magnitsky, a lawyer and auditor who died in mysterious circumstances in a Russian prison in 2009 after exposing one of the biggest corruption scandals during Mr. Putin’s rule.

Ms. Veselnitskaya was formerly married to a former deputy transportation minister of the Moscow region, and her clients include state-owned businesses and a senior government official’s son, whose company was under investigation in the United States at the time of the meeting. Her activities and associations had previously drawn the attention of the F.B.I., according to a former senior law enforcement official.

In his statement, Donald Trump Jr. said: “It was a short introductory meeting. I asked Jared and Paul to stop by. We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up.”

He added: “I was asked to attend the meeting by an acquaintance, but was not told the name of the person I would be meeting with beforehand.”

Late Saturday, Mark Corallo, a spokesman for the president’s lawyer, issued a statement implying that the meeting was a setup. Ms. Veselnitskaya and the translator who accompanied her to the meeting “misrepresented who they were,” it said.

In an interview, Mr. Corallo explained that Ms. Veselnitskaya, in her anti-Magnitsky campaign, employs a private investigator whose firm, Fusion GPS, produced an intelligence dossier that contained unproven allegations against the president. In a statement, the firm said, “Fusion GPS learned about this meeting from news reports and had no prior knowledge of it. Any claim that Fusion GPS arranged or facilitated this meeting in any way is false.”

Donald Trump Jr. had denied participating in any campaign-related meetings with Russian nationals when he was interviewed by The Times in March. “Did I meet with people that were Russian? I’m sure, I’m sure I did,” he said. “But none that were set up. None that I can think of at the moment. And certainly none that I was representing the campaign in any way, shape or form.”

Asked at that time whether he had ever discussed government policies related to Russia, the younger Mr. Trump replied, “A hundred percent no.”

The Trump Tower meeting was not disclosed to government officials until recently, when Mr. Kushner, who is also a senior White House aide, filed a revised version of a form required to obtain a security clearance. The Times reported in April that he had failed to disclose any foreign contacts, including meetings with the Russian ambassador to the United States and the head of a Russian state bank. Failure to report such contacts can result in a loss of access to classified information and even, if information is knowingly falsified or concealed, in imprisonment.

So, he said / she said, right?

Wrong.

President Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign, according to three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two others with knowledge of it.

The meeting was also attended by his campaign chairman at the time, Paul J. Manafort, and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kushner only recently disclosed the meeting, though not its content, in confidential government documents described to The New York Times.

The Times reported the existence of the meeting on Saturday. But in subsequent interviews, the advisers and others revealed the motivation behind it.

The meeting — at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016, two weeks after Donald J. Trump clinched the Republican nomination — points to the central question in federal investigations of the Kremlin’s meddling in the presidential election: whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. The accounts of the meeting represent the first public indication that at least some in the campaign were willing to accept Russian help.

And while President Trump has been dogged by revelations of undisclosed meetings between his associates and the Russians, the episode at Trump Tower is the first such confirmed private meeting involving members of his inner circle during the campaign — as well as the first one known to have included his eldest son. It came at an inflection point in the campaign, when Donald Trump Jr., who served as an adviser and a surrogate, was ascendant and Mr. Manafort was consolidating power.

It is unclear whether the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, actually produced the promised compromising information about Mrs. Clinton. But the people interviewed by The Times about the meeting said the expectation was that she would do so.

 

[leswp1]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

No, not really. Trump is acting exactly like CNN is, and he's getting ripped, and CNN are the good guys? No. Someone made a gif ripping CNN. *shrug* but nope, CNN chases down the guy.

Let's rephrase: someone rips Trump, and he chases down that person.

Same difference.

No.
-Trump reacts to the littlest slight (or nothing at all), chases down the person- or has his surrogate do it, seeks to destroy the person by any means including giving out false information on multiple platforms and encouraging his minions to do the same, calls on his supporters to attack the person on multiple fronts and has those in his camp threatening violence. He does nothing to discourage any action no matter how reprehensible. In fact he praises them. All this with the weight of the presidency behind him so he can behave in ways a 'normal' person would not be able to do.
-CNN tracked someone down, varified the person actually did what they were accused of, did not reveal who they were and told them to stop. They did not set the dogs on the person, disseminate false information about them or threaten them with violence.

Maybe it is the background that bothers me. There has been actual violence and threatened violence toward journalists. The dude in Montana hit the guy and got elected anyway. The Presidente is inciting all sorts of behavior that we have not seen in my lifetime toward journalists. IMHO this is not just about the gif. It is about the normalization of depicting violence toward anyone and when people react telling folk, like you are, that it was just a gif. If this was floating about just on the internet then it would be disturbing. That the President sent it out and the guy was getting reward for it isn't OK. That the Prez is in a full court press trying to destroy a news outlet. I don't see how CNN could not respond and remain credible.

 

[burd]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

No.
-Trump reacts to the littlest slight (or nothing at all), chases down the person- or has his surrogate do it, seeks to destroy the person by any means including giving out false information on multiple platforms and encouraging his minions to do the same, calls on his supporters to attack the person on multiple fronts and has those in his camp threatening violence. He does nothing to discourage any action no matter how reprehensible. In fact he praises them. All this with the weight of the presidency behind him so he can behave in ways a 'normal' person would not be able to do.
-CNN tracked someone down, varified the person actually did what they were accused of, did not reveal who they were and told them to stop. They did not set the dogs on the person, disseminate false information about them or threaten them with violence.

Maybe it is the background that bothers me. There has been actual violence and threatened violence toward journalists. The dude in Montana hit the guy and got elected anyway. The Presidente is inciting all sorts of behavior that we have not seen in my lifetime toward journalists. IMHO this is not just about the gif. It is about the normalization of depicting violence toward anyone and when people react telling folk, like you are, that it was just a gif. If this was floating about just on the internet then it would be disturbing. That the President sent it out and the guy was getting reward for it isn't OK. That the Prez is in a full court press trying to destroy a news outlet. I don't see how CNN could not respond and remain credible.

Trump is a cheap bully, and like most bullies, a coward. Add lazy and insecure, and there is not much more you need to know.

 

[Handyman]

No, not really. Trump is acting exactly like CNN is, and he's getting ripped, and CNN are the good guys? No. Someone made a gif ripping CNN. *shrug* but nope, CNN chases down the guy.

Let's rephrase: someone rips Trump, and he chases down that person.

Same difference.

You realize Trump is the President right? It just isn't the same thing.

 

[burd]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

Trump is a cheap bully, and like most bullies, a coward. Add lazy and insecure, and there is not much more you need to know.

You realize Trump is the President right? It just isn't the same thing.

And that, unfortunately: he is the President of the most powerful nation on earth.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

No, not really. Trump is acting exactly like CNN is, and he's getting ripped, and CNN are the good guys? No. Someone made a gif ripping CNN. *shrug* but nope, CNN chases down the guy.

Let's rephrase: someone rips Trump, and he chases down that person.

Same difference.

No.

 

[alfablue]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

No.
-Trump reacts to the littlest slight (or nothing at all), chases down the person- or has his surrogate do it, seeks to destroy the person ....

Again, it bears repeating how much don railed on "political correctness", but can't seem to deal with just words thrown at him.

Funny how that works out.

 

[rufus]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

And that, unfortunately: he is the President of the most powerful nation on earth.

And as David Gergen said, the first time a president of the United States has gone to a G-20 summit, and not been viewed as the leader.

 

[The Rube]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

You realize Trump is the President right? It just isn't the same thing.

Why does CNN feel the need to out the poster? Remember, I'm not agreeing with the poster's views, but he shouldn't be doxxed because he posted something about CNN. That really bothers me. The same way it bothers me that Trump goes after the media the way he does.

 

[rufus]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

Why does CNN feel the need to out the poster? Remember, I'm not agreeing with the poster's views, but he shouldn't be doxxed because he posted something about CNN. That really bothers me. The same way it bothers me that Trump goes after the media the way he does.

Apparently they don't, since they haven't.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

And that, unfortunately: he is the President of the most powerful nation on earth.

Well look at it this way, the longer trump is president, the less likely it is he is the president of the most powerful nation on Earth. After 4 years of this as sclown we will be greatly weakened.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

Why does CNN feel the need to out the poster? Remember, I'm not agreeing with the poster's views, but he shouldn't be doxxed because he posted something about CNN. That really bothers me. The same way it bothers me that Trump goes after the media the way he does.

This is another false equivalency. What CNN did as a cablecast network is not the same thing at all as what a president does. It's like if I punched someone in the mouth or Mike Tyson punches someone. I do it and they'll feel a little pain, probably have a fat lip. Mike Tyson does it and they'll probably have no teeth left, won't be able to open their mouth for a month and will have a headache that might never go away.

As for the people like the guy CNN sort of outed, I have exactly zero sympathy. If you post or say out loud your bigoted and racist views, I say you should be outed completely. I don't care one whit if someone like that suffers.

 

[GrinCDXX]

Apparently they don't, since they haven't.

Give him a break. Thinking is hard.

 

[The Rube]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

This is another false equivalency. What CNN did as a cablecast network is not the same thing at all as what a president does. It's like if I punched someone in the mouth or Mike Tyson punches someone. I do it and they'll feel a little pain, probably have a fat lip. Mike Tyson does it and they'll probably have no teeth left, won't be able to open their mouth for a month and will have a headache that might never go away.

As for the people like the guy CNN sort of outed, I have exactly zero sympathy. If you post or say out loud your bigoted and racist views, I say you should be outed completely. I don't care one whit if someone like that suffers.

Whoa whoa whoa. I'm NOT talking about his other posts. I'm talking about the ONE WWE post he did. That's it. Nothing else. That set CNN off, and then they found all this other crap. If CNN didn't go off about that WWE post, no, we prob wouldn't have heard about that other BS he was spouting off about.

I want to make that perfectly clear.

 

[GrinCDXX]

This is another false equivalency. What CNN did as a cablecast network is not the same thing at all as what a president does. It's like if I punched someone in the mouth or Mike Tyson punches someone. I do it and they'll feel a little pain, probably have a fat lip. Mike Tyson does it and they'll probably have no teeth left, won't be able to open their mouth for a month and will have a headache that might never go away.

As for the people like the guy CNN sort of outed, I have exactly zero sympathy. If you post or say out loud your bigoted and racist views, I say you should be outed completely. I don't care one whit if someone like that suffers.

Not to mention that this guy is the type of internet scum who revel in doxxing people that say things they don't like.

 

[leswp1]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

Why does CNN feel the need to out the poster? Remember, I'm not agreeing with the poster's views, but he shouldn't be doxxed because he posted something about CNN. That really bothers me. The same way it bothers me that Trump goes after the media the way he does.

because in doing so they neuter him. Trump is not the only one reposting. They put people on notice that if they were going to do stuff like that there could be consequences. They didn't out him. They threatened to do so if he did something like that again. I have zero sympathy for him. He is a little man who hides behind his keyboard and he isn't posting things about pretty ponies. He has a choice- own up to the slime he is willing to post anonymously or stop. Again- no problem with that.

Whoa whoa whoa. I'm NOT talking about his other posts. I'm talking about the ONE WWE post he did. That's it. Nothing else. That set CNN off, and then they found all this other crap. If CNN didn't go off about that WWE post, no, we prob wouldn't have heard about that other BS he was spouting off about.

I want to make that perfectly clear.

What set CNN off was not this guy but the fact the President posted something depicting violence against them. HUGE difference. The guy was a tool. They took the tool out of circulation.