POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

In most things. But we're talking presidential politics here.

No idea how that charisma thing works for Congress. See: Ted Cruz and The Turtle Man.

Oh for elected office yes, you want:

1. Acting Ability
2. Charisma
3. Nice Hair
4. Enough brains to read a script, but not above average so you won't scare the dummies.

c.f. Reagan, R.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

18 is the top roll. 3, 6 sided die.

Six-sides dice? I would have guess he rolled three ball bearings.

 

[Handyman]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

Lincoln, by all accounts, had a very weird "anti-charismatic" charisma. He was so against type -- he looked weird, dressed weirdly (quite intentionally), and spoke in a keening, high pitched voice in a time of stentorian, pompous public speaking -- that people found him fascinating. Think Bernie.

Yeah he was charming not charismatic but his charm in essence was his charisma. He may have looked weird but his stories made friends out of everyone. Such an interesting person...

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

Yeah he was charming not charismatic but his charm in essence was his charisma. He may have looked weird but his stories made friends out of everyone. Such an interesting person...

It seems like again and again people, particularly intelligent people, came away from their interactions with him both being fascinated by him and genuinely liking him.

He probably would have made a great horndog.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

Clean Water? After Flint? Who gives a ****?

The Environmental Protection Agency is set to undo yet another Obama-era environmental regulation after releasing a proposal on Tuesday meant to dismantle a rule protecting rivers and streams from pollution.

The latest target from the notably anti-environmental administration of President Donald Trump is the Clean Water Rule, which in 2015 updated a longstanding act passed during the advent of the EPA to clean up heavily polluted federal waterways. The rule, passed under former President Barack Obama, expanded federal authority to include all “navigable” waters under the jurisdiction of the Clean Water Act. It ultimately protected the drinking water of more than 117 million Americans.

The Clean Water Rule was the result of more than 400 meetings with stakeholders and a review of more than 1 million public comments. (Now with a sweep of Trump's hand, it's gone.) However, Trump has long called the update that environmentalists hailed a “disaster.” He signed an executive order shortly into his term, urging the EPA and Army Corps of Engineers to dismantle the rule.

Bye Bye.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/epa-clean-water-rule_us_59535198e4b02734df2e6e06

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

Clean Water? After Flint? Who gives a ****?

Bye Bye.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/epa-clean-water-rule_us_59535198e4b02734df2e6e06

They're really doing it. Every Republican should have a boner.

This is what the GOP has been aiming at for decades and has only been stopped by the Dems. No firewall now, so down goes everything.

Hope those lofo voters enjoy the Somalia they are creating. I've got money, I'm fine with user fees. Betcha Mr. and Mrs. Laid Off Steelworker won't be.

And if all else fails, I've got a passport.

 

[Scarlet]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

I'm sure some of Trump's minions will find a way to defend this. Or call it fake news or something.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

It might actually take a few thousand people* dying in the streets before things change.

Who am I kidding? Whities only, of course.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

I'm sure some of Trump's minions will find a way to defend this. Or call it fake news or something.

They're screwing up by actually doing it. "Small government" is one of those things you can run on forever as long as you don't actually do it. As soon as you do it, your voters realize "Wait a minute! Small government means I still pay taxes but I'm not getting services anymore. Who's getting my money?" And then they set up guillotines in the square and start paying house calls on the 1%.

"Small government" is like "Christian values." As a fund-raiser and a tub-thumper they're pure gold. As actual policy, they're poison. Old style Republicans knew this. Irving Kristol knew it was just a lever to get the Poors and the white middle class to vote against their own interests. But new Republicans -- Ryan, Rand, the Zodiac Killer and the rest of them -- got high on their own supply. And now they're going to kill the Useful Idiot goose that has laid golden eggs for the 1% since 1978.

Sic semper tyrannis.

 

[joecct]

It might actually take a few thousand people* dying in the streets before things change.

Who am I kidding? Whities only, of course.

Poor whites are not represented. Ever see a politician meet with poor whites? Nope, always the middle class. Now Blacks, on the other hand, the poorer the better, and rarely, if ever, the middle class.

In the end, however, the poor are getting the shaft no matter what the skin color. One day the blinders will come off and there will be a reckoning.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

I'm sure some of Trump's minions will find a way to defend this. Or call it fake news or something.

His EPA secretary has done more than defended it. He's implementing it.

 

[leswp1]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

I don't think Lincoln had charisma. He grew to have great respect and dignity, but that was the result of what he said and wrote, not his looks or his charm. Interesting to speculate whether he could have been elected in the post TV world. And that is the point many of you are making here, I guess.

Lincoln, by all accounts, had a very weird "anti-charismatic" charisma. He was so against type -- he looked weird, dressed weirdly (quite intentionally), and spoke in a keening, high pitched voice in a time of stentorian, pompous public speaking -- that people found him fascinating. Think Bernie.

How many people actually saw him tho. Lots of print media. Kind of like the actors who were good in silent movies until they got the talkies

They're really doing it. Every Republican should have a boner.

This is what the GOP has been aiming at for decades and has only been stopped by the Dems. No firewall now, so down goes everything.

Hope those lofo voters enjoy the Somalia they are creating. I've got money, I'm fine with user fees. Betcha Mr. and Mrs. Laid Off Steelworker won't be.

And if all else fails, I've got a passport.

How long before that won't get you far?

Poor whites are not represented. Ever see a politician meet with poor whites? Nope, always the middle class. Now Blacks, on the other hand, the poorer the better, and rarely, if ever, the middle class.

In the end, however, the poor are getting the shaft no matter what the skin color. One day the blinders will come off and there will be a reckoning.

pretty soon they won't be able to do that.

Macron has invited Trump to visit. He is going on Bastille Day. OMG. This should be amazing theatre! After watching Macron school Putin to his face at their presser I can't wait to see how tDon handles getting his a55 handed to him at their photo op.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

How long before that won't get you far?

The Republicans would love to deport anyone with an IQ over 80. Nobody's going to stop us walking out that door, we'd just have problems getting back in.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

They're really doing it. Every Republican should have a boner.

This is what the GOP has been aiming at for decades and has only been stopped by the Dems. No firewall now, so down goes everything.

Hope those lofo voters enjoy the Somalia they are creating. I've got money, I'm fine with user fees. Betcha Mr. and Mrs. Laid Off Steelworker won't be.

And if all else fails, I've got a passport.

This isn't really germain to your whole point, but to be fair, congress had a Clean Water Act Reformation bill that essentially did what this rule does come up in each Congress from 2002-2010 which didn't receive enough support to pass. From 08-10 Dems had complete control and didn't get enough support to get it passed for whatever reason then either. When Dems lost control, President Obama wrote this rule instead in 2011.

I think it's being a bit mischaracterized when it's implied that this action endangers clean drinking water for 117 million Americans. The Safe Drinking Water Act extends Federal Power to all drinking water sources already.

The main conflict as I understand it is that it vastly increases the amount of waters under Federal control by redefining the Clean Water Act definition "navigable waters." to a much broader terms. It also essentially eliminates what used to be more of a case by case determination, replacing it with more of a a one size fits all arrangement. A relevant case here was in 2006 when a property owner wanted to redevelop an abandoned gravel pit. He was sued as some migratory birds had begun using a portion that had filled in with rain water. He won his case then I believe, but it seems he would have been prevented from doing anything with it after the 2011 rule.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

I'm sure some of Trump's minions will find a way to defend this.

Environmental red tape took our jerbs!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

This isn't really germain to your whole point, but to be fair, congress had a Clean Water Act Reformation bill that essentially did what this rule does come up in each Congress from 2002-2010 which didn't receive enough support to pass. From 08-10 Dems had complete control and didn't get enough support to get it passed for whatever reason then either. When Dems lost control, President Obama wrote this rule instead in 2011.

I think it's being a bit mischaracterized when it's implied that this action endangers clean drinking water for 117 million Americans. The Safe Drinking Water Act extends Federal Power to all drinking water sources already.

The main conflict as I understand it is that it vastly increases the amount of waters under Federal control by redefining the Clean Water Act definition "navigable waters." to a much broader terms. It also essentially eliminates what used to be more of a case by case determination, replacing it with more of a a one size fits all arrangement. A relevant case here was in 2006 when a property owner wanted to redevelop an abandoned gravel pit. He was sued as some migratory birds had begun using a portion that had filled in with rain water. He won his case then I believe, but it seems he would have been prevented from doing anything with it after the 2011 rule.

Did it also mischaracterize this part of the article I posted?

The Clean Water Rule was the result of more than 400 meetings with stakeholders and a review of more than 1 million public comments.

Seems the 2011 rule was well vetted. While the change is just straight crony capitalism.

 

[burd]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

Lincoln, by all accounts, had a very weird "anti-charismatic" charisma. He was so against type -- he looked weird, dressed weirdly (quite intentionally), and spoke in a keening, high pitched voice in a time of stentorian, pompous public speaking -- that people found him fascinating. Think Bernie.

Yeah he was charming not charismatic but his charm in essence was his charisma. He may have looked weird but his stories made friends out of everyone. Such an interesting person...

Anyone who gets the chance to see the Lincoln Museum and Library in Springfield, IL MUST GO.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

It will come as a surprise to absolutely nobody that Trump screwed the pooch on the Senate DeathCare bill.

Over the weekend, Mr. McConnell made clear his unhappiness to the White House after a “super PAC” aligned with Mr. Trump started an ad campaign against Senator Dean Heller, Republican of Nevada, after he said last week that he opposed the health care bill.

Mr. McConnell, who has been toiling for weeks, mostly in private, to put together a measure that would satisfy hard-liners and moderates, told Mr. Priebus in his call that the assault by the group, America First, not only jeopardized the bill’s prospects but also imperiled Mr. Heller’s already difficult path to re-election.

The move against Mr. Heller had the blessing of the White House, according to an official with America First, because Mr. Trump’s allies were furious that the senator would side with Nevada’s governor, Brian Sandoval, a Republican who accepted the Medicaid expansion under the health law and opposes the Republican overhaul, in criticizing the bill.

And that's how you play "alienate your allies."

To paraphrase Liz Taylor paraphrasing Bette Davis, "What. A. Dope."

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

If there's one thing we can hope Trump does, it's continue to attack his own.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

If there's one thing we can hope Trump does, it's continue to attack his own.

He is our best weapon, that's for sure.

He might put even the orcs off dictatorship for...

... nah. They're eating this up. He's their apotheosis. "Why not the Stupidest?"