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POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

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Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

"Ending" well isn't going to matter when the court tilts farther right and enshrines our current situation for decades to come. I personally don't care if sanity finally returns in 2060 as I'll be dead.

Yeah, it's not going to be fixed in my lifetime. I get the distinct pleasure of living most of the prime years of my life under an Oligarchy. Would've been great if I was lucky enough to be an Oligarch.
 
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

Yep. That was stupid. The entire contingent should have recycled in Obama's first year. But we didn't know how dirty the GOP was going to play yet.

We do now, though. This will not end well for them.

End well for who? The GOP? You are kidding right...people voted for Trump knowing what was coming (and Dems didnt vote for Hillary to prevent what they knew was coming) what makes you think they are going to care when he turns the Court into the High Council of Breitbart News?

You need to stop assuming that people are outraged and are going to fight this...they wont. The Dems are too spineless to do anything and their voters are lazy. The Dems will stand on principle and on the value of people's rights and watch as everyone ignores it. Sure maybe the House flips in 2018 (and I am questioning that now) but the Dems will put up some High Brow Coastal Liberal that will divide the party by trying to satisfy everyone. (especially the pollsters) They wont brand themselves right, wont own up to anything controversial and watch as they get blamed for everything wrong even though logically they have no way to cause any of it. They wont fight...they will sit back and **** it all away like the jellyfish they have been outside of Bill Clinton and Obama.

And while you will accuse me of being Scooby you know it is far more likely that I am right than you want to admit. The GOP knows how many votes they are getting...the Dems only show up if they care.
 
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

No, we didn't.

Yes, yes you did.

The Rs were going to do anything and everything in their power to stop "that guy". Anything and everything means push the envelope beyond previous limits.
The Ds are returning the favor right now to "that guy".

With that same thought, the Ds used the nuclear option back then (circa 2013).
The Rs returned that favor.

Script-flipping at its finest.
 
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

"Ending" well isn't going to matter when the court tilts farther right and enshrines our current situation for decades to come. I personally don't care if sanity finally returns in 2060 as I'll be dead.

Well, that's what we've got. The point is that the Court has always tended to favor TPTB on economic issues -- it is basically following a 19th century conservative corporatist economic theory that the rest of the advanced world long since threw on the scrap heap of history. It has had to do that because justices with a modern view of the Court were never able to be confirmed. Insanely retrograde conservatives OTOH have had no trouble getting on the bench.

All that has changed.
 
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

The results of the special elections prove that the likes of trump won't go away as the dems went 0-4 on the road trip. Yes the republicans all won seats that were traditionally red anyway but maintaining the status quo isn't going to do any of us any good. Our only hope is that the dems find a message that truly resonates with the economic concerns of working and middle class voters and unite around it. Handy is right though that

Handyman said:
the Dems will put up some High Brow Coastal Liberal that will divide the party by trying to satisfy everyone.

The power structure is enamored with Nancy Pelosi for some reason despite far more losses than wins. We can not unite people around any one of the issues that are near and dear to the heart of most progressives other than an economic one of better wages and fairer taxes. It isn't like we're going to abandon the causes like LGBTQ rights and the environment. Most of us believe in progressive viewpoints on those things too. But if the 45 year old uneducated church going white male who might not spend every waking moment thinking about marriage equality sees that the democratic party will actually benefit him financially, he'll vote the right way -- if he votes. But when I walk up to him and want to talk to him about everything progressive BUT that, guess what? His mind is not open. You want to make changes in the politics you gotta win. End of story.
 
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

A whole lot of folks who voted for Trump didn't vote for Trump as much as they voted for the person who will be selecting Scalia's replacement plus one to three more in the coming four years. The specific group I have in mind are Evangelicals.

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501378673/how-trump-won-according-to-the-exit-polls

You give trump voters far too much credit. First of all, no where in the linked article is the Supreme Court mentioned. trump voters went his way largely because their lack of sophistication means a strongman appeals to them. They do most of their thinking with the ape-brain. That and the little "r" next to his name. Hell I could call myself a republican, spend most of the campaign talking about my pretty much modern republican like viewpoint about the second amendment and I would have gotten 60 million votes. Evangelicals are among the worst people of all for voting for a candidate who really doesn't share views, but just talks like he does. That has been the case ever since Carter vs. Reagan.
 
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

It's not Pelosi's fault, she was a good Speaker. But I agree we need a demographic revolution among our leadership. We need to promote unabashed economic liberals, and young people, in that order.

One reason the Dems spend so much time obsessing over their social liberal bona fides is they do virtually nothing to promote real economic liberalism. They try to stop the GOP's headlong rush to feudalism, yes, but they don't try to roll back the last 40 years to a proudly liberal economic state of affairs. That positive, active agenda would do a lot to revive the moribund party, and as importantly it would makes leaders fish or cut bait. The Evan Bayh foot in both camps wishy washy centrists would either evolve or be shut out of leadership slots.

The Dems can support center or even center-right candidates in deep red states and districts, and even give them plum committees appointments in areas that are of particular importance to those states (Robert Byrd, anyone?), but the visible leadership should be unified in outspoken economic liberalism: all class war, all the time.

The simple truth is the rich have raped America for forty years and people know it. The message "you stole our sh-t, we're clawing it back" will sell.
 
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

You give trump voters far too much credit. First of all, no where in the linked article is the Supreme Court mentioned. trump voters went his way largely because their lack of sophistication means a strongman appeals to them. They do most of their thinking with the ape-brain. That and the little "r" next to his name. Hell I could call myself a republican, spend most of the campaign talking about my pretty much modern republican like viewpoint about the second amendment and I would have gotten 60 million votes. Evangelicals are among the worst people of all for voting for a candidate who really doesn't share views, but just talks like he does. That has been the case ever since Carter vs. Reagan.

The pre-election thinking was with Texas Teddy Cruz out Evangelicals would stay home. Instead they came out (per the article). Why? They were reminded that the President picks SC justices.
 
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

Yes, yes you did.

The Rs were going to do anything and everything in their power to stop "that guy". Anything and everything means push the envelope beyond previous limits.
The Ds are returning the favor right now to "that guy".

With that same thought, the Ds used the nuclear option back then (circa 2013).
The Rs returned that favor.

Script-flipping at its finest.


The difference between what the Dems did nuclear and what the Repubs did nuclear is night and day. The GOP was purposely preventing government jobs from being filled. None of that is happening on the Democratic side. The Repubs are obstructionists. The Democrats NEVER have been and never will be. We actually like Government.

Your BS revisionist history and centrist BS is getting old.
 
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

The simple truth is the rich have raped America for forty years and people know it. The message "you stole our sh-t, we're clawing it back" will sell.

"You've been robbed!" Really?
Will that register with someone who reads that in their social media feed on their unlimited data plan on their iPhone 7 Plus? Dare I say, ... nope.

That message resonates with folks that believe they are sending too much to DC on April 15.
Just ask Trump.
 
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

"You've been robbed!" Really?
Will that register with someone who reads that in their social media feed on their unlimited data plan on their iPhone 7 Plus? Dare I say, ... nope.

That message resonates with folks that believe they are sending too much to DC on April 15.
Just ask Trump.

That 17 trillion in the debt is what they've been robbed and what's gradually destroying the nation. It will resonate with everyone who can read data.

So, um, yeah... you're probably right. :(
 
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

"You've been robbed!" Really?
Will that register with someone who reads that in their social media feed on their unlimited data plan on their iPhone 7 Plus? Dare I say, ... nope.

That message resonates with folks that believe they are sending too much to DC on April 15.
Just ask Trump.
Yep. You win because you can talk stupid better than us. Go you.
 
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

The difference between what the Dems did nuclear and what the Repubs did nuclear is night and day.

Bullcrap.
Both changed the rules to ramrod what they wanted through (and in the process stick it up the < bleep > of the other side).
There's no altruism in what either did. None.

Your problem is you believe what happens in DC is going on for the benefit of "country".
It's all about Party, accumulation of power, and winning, winning, winning.
And that's no matter who's in power at the time.

And I'm not a centrist; I'm a cynic.
 
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

Bullcrap.
Both changed the rules to ramrod what they wanted through (and in the process stick it up the < bleep > of the other side).
There's no altruism in what either did. None.

Your problem is you believe what happens in DC is going on for the benefit of "country".
It's all about Party, accumulation of power, and winning, winning, winning.
And that's no matter who's in power at the time.

And I'm not a centrist; I'm a cynic.

BS

The Dems were just trying to fill jobs. An unfilled judiciary is actually a deterrent to due process and against the Constitution. That's what the cock blockers were doing when they changed the nuclear option.

You changed it to get another Supreme. There is nothing in the Constitution that says you need 9 Justices.

Apples and ****ing Oranges.
 
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