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POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

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burd said:
People on the right did not want OBama and were loud about it, as is their right. That was their response to his election. But the SUBSTANCE that elicits the response from the left now (and many mainstream republicans) is different in kind from that which elicited the response 8 years ago.
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This is 100% accurate. And 100% of the people who voted for trump (as well as a couple here who swear on a stack they did not and don't support him now) will claim it is 100% false. I don't care how bad anyone claims it was in the 1960s, there has never been a time during my life where so many people are so fu ck ing misguided. I hope they're happy during the next civil war.
 
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leswp1 said:
Loved the tweet this afternoon. First there was no Russians doing anything. Now Obama should have done something about it. How do people who support him manage to reconcile all of the things he contradicts himself on? I guess it is so important to blame Obama that they don't care what it is that is said. Sort of like a post-hypnotic suggestion. Hear 'Obama', instantly believe he is at fault, no matter what is said and feel righteous about it.
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trump supporters and trump apologists (you know, the ones who claim to not support him yet defend his actions with every last false equivalency they can lay their hands on) don't need to reconcile it. Half of them aren't smart enough to realize all the times one of trump's lies contradicts another one of his lies. The other half doesn't care because the worst of what appeals to them about trump is why they voted for him.
 
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Listening to the proposed healthcare 'reform' (curious word to use, but they are using it). Part of me thinks this is good for a Darwin award. The number of people who live in red states who will be screwed and end up with no health care is pretty high. Just think- no coverage for chronic illnesses, pre-existing conditions, pregnancy and birth control. poor outcomes, ERs inundated, increased deaths. Scoooore! The very bad, nonChristian-like side of me wants to see this pass so they can be royally screwed but unfortunately the rest of the people will suffer too.

As I listened to the radio this morning I realized I am experiencing the same feeling I used to when treating a chronic, actively drinking patient with alcoholic hepatitis. In the exam room with the patient- glow in the dark yellow, belly so distended with ascites they can't button their pants and are having trouble breathing. Trying to reason with them and having them still argue alcohol is not the problem. At some point it becomes too painful and you stop trying to really reach the patient because they aren't ready to hear it, even as they are brilliant yellow, can't breath and are going to die. Talking politics to people who need to believe the country is OK is just about the same. The difference? You can leave the patient's room, say a prayer and leave it to God because they aren't living with you. Can't leave the country, have to watch the country self destruct and there is nothing that you can do to stop people from perpetrating the disaster.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Yup.
And that sword too has two sharp edges, like the oft repeated claim by POTUS44: "If you like your plan you can keep your plan."
Anyone paying attention knew that all plans had to change to meet the new mandatory requirements. No one was keeping a plan as-is.

Both sides are lying to the American people. (Commence the "but they lie more!" bluster here.)
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Climate Denial.
Trickle Down Denial.

Please give me ONE Democratic equivalent.

As far as the Obama quote goes, all the plans change all the time. They change every year. I've never had a year where there hasn't been a health care change in the last 20.
 
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leswp1 said:
Won't let me read it/ What did he do now?
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His tweet about the non-existent Comey tape.

The federal criminal code states that a person who “knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding” has committed a federal offense punishable by up to 20 years in prison. (Constitutional lawyer Larry Tribe also points me to the federal statute that prohibits sending a “threatening letter or communication” that “endeavors to influence … the due administration of justice.”)
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Each dose of idiocy immunizes him against something fatal.
 
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As despicable as he is, I honestly don't get the outrage over trump not having tapes. It was clearly bluster all along, like a playground fifth grader saying, "he better hope I don't get mad enough to punch him!" With no substance at all. He never said he made a tape in the first place, it just seems like wasted energy. It's like the "birther" nonsense why even print it?
Now, firing Comey to kill an investigation: that should be impeachable
 
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The Sicatoka said:
So, is the problem the conversation or the memo.

I say it's the memo. You keep going to the conversation.

Heck, I'll give you the conversation is fine.

So, what about the memo (covered by Federal rules and regulations regarding release).
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You are amazing. You throw a hissy fit because Hillary was accused (never actually did) of allowing classified material to maybe be compromised...you disappear randomly when our current administration has people caught doing the same thing and flat out ignore all the safety protocols they violate daily even though you always tell us how important security is to you hence your railing on Hillary...you parse words when Trump flat out turns over classified information to Russians in the White House (funny how legality only matters when Trump actually does something that needs a loophole) which compromises the security of our allies and now you are getting your panties in a twist because Comey leaked something that just so happens to paint Trump in a bad light.

Tell me, do people in the real world buy your "neutral" act?
 
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geezer said:
As despicable as he is, I honestly don't get the outrage over trump not having tapes. It was clearly bluster all along, like a playground fifth grader saying, "he better hope I don't get mad enough to punch him!" With no substance at all. He never said he made a tape in the first place, it just seems like wasted energy. It's like the "birther" nonsense why even print it?
Now, firing Comey to kill an investigation: that should be impeachable
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I have ceased being outraged at trump. To me it is quite clear that among all of his obviously disqualifying characteristics to be the president, he is mentally ill. I believe there is even the occasional disconnect from reality, his illness is so severe. What outrages me is the apologists and the enablers, who are so enamored with all of the wrong things. Its either the little "r" next to his name, or falling for the phony tough talk, or the open racism for the worst of his supporters. Or a host of other, equally indefensible reasons for their inaction. All along, the problem has been something other than trump. The media, for whoring themselves out to him to the tune of $2 billion dollars worth of free advertising are largely responsible. They allowed a candidate who was outspent many times over free reign over their airwaves. Republicans in the House and Senate now are also to blame. Pull trump back or get rid of him. But the little "r" is the ONLY thing that matters. Literally. Of course there are republican members of congress who fully agree with the "policies" trump espouses, even if trump is too stupid or unstable to really have a clue about what he does or says. Then there is the republican voter who simply can't admit to their neighbors and friends that maybe they were wrong about trump. That's why 80% of Americans think congress has utterly failed the American people but at least 90% of them keep getting re-elected. "Congress sucks, but at least I know how to vote" is their battle cry. As if admitting maybe you voted the wrong way somehow makes you look weak.

Fick trump with a red hot poker, sure. But he's one little, sad, ill man. The real issue with the "body politic" is the rest of us.
 
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I don't know why anyone, from the media to politicians to voters, treats Trump's declarations as if they were testable fact statements. He's a carnival barker getting you to the tent. The content of his speech has, literally, no meaning. It's just a medium for the theatrical cadence and emotional connection he makes with his army of cowards and knaves.

I agree with ND that the election of Trump says nothing about Trump and everything about the self-respect of the American voter.
 
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I don't think he's mentally ill. I think he's just a jack*****.

And Handyman, I'm going to hell faster than you because I reeeeeeeeeeeally want to see some of the Trump minions finally realize how bad this new healthcare plan is when they suffer some sort of malady. And I'm including some of the people I know.
 
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Scarlet said:
I don't think he's mentally ill. I think he's just a jack*****.

And Handyman, I'm going to hell faster than you because I reeeeeeeeeeeally want to see some of the Trump minions finally realize how bad this new healthcare plan is when they suffer some sort of malady. And I'm including some of the people I know.
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Oh I say that daily ;)

On the topic of Trump's lies...I think the Dems are doing themselves a disservice by harping on it. Literally no one cares you arent changing any minds. all you are doing is making yourself look like the bully piling on. Save the outrage and fight for the things that matter.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
I have ceased being outraged at trump. To me it is quite clear that among all of his obviously disqualifying characteristics to be the president, he is mentally ill. I believe there is even the occasional disconnect from reality, his illness is so severe. What outrages me is the apologists and the enablers, who are so enamored with all of the wrong things. Its either the little "r" next to his name, or falling for the phony tough talk, or the open racism for the worst of his supporters. Or a host of other, equally indefensible reasons for their inaction. All along, the problem has been something other than trump. The media, for whoring themselves out to him to the tune of $2 billion dollars worth of free advertising are largely responsible. They allowed a candidate who was outspent many times over free reign over their airwaves. Republicans in the House and Senate now are also to blame. Pull trump back or get rid of him. But the little "r" is the ONLY thing that matters. Literally. Of course there are republican members of congress who fully agree with the "policies" trump espouses, even if trump is too stupid or unstable to really have a clue about what he does or says. Then there is the republican voter who simply can't admit to their neighbors and friends that maybe they were wrong about trump. That's why 80% of Americans think congress has utterly failed the American people but at least 90% of them keep getting re-elected. "Congress sucks, but at least I know how to vote" is their battle cry. As if admitting maybe you voted the wrong way somehow makes you look weak.

Fick trump with a red hot poker, sure. But he's one little, sad, ill man. The real issue with the "body politic" is the rest of us.
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This is a great rant. While Trump probably isn't technically mentally ill (those opposing such a claim point out that his wayward thinking would have to inhibit his ability to obtain a job, or feel pleasure, etc., to be diagnosable; and he's done fairly well for himself) but his twisted personality is so poisonous that he might as well be insane, as far as we all are affected.
As for the weird loyalty: I don't think it's because of the little "r." I think it's just the way he enrages all the liberals that gives all the little R-bots woodies. He could be independent with the same effect. He's a hatred-inspiring bloodsucker. All the hate flows through him.
 
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I wonder what Shakespearean character (or combination of characters) comes closed to Trump? My Shakespeare knowledge is narrow and pretty shallow, so I don't have one to throw out there, but he was so good at capturing the whole range of political and personal qualities--good, bad, and in between--that someone here should be able to offer something up that is interesting.
 
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