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POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
The traditional cycle when democracy fails is a short period of chaos after which a dictator steps in to restore order.
The traditional cycle when democracy fails is a short period of chaos after which a dictator steps in to restore order.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
We already have a dictator. As long as his party is sticking their fingers in their ears it's the same thing.
We already have a dictator. As long as his party is sticking their fingers in their ears it's the same thing.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
I'm talking about the real thing. We rightly complain that Trump's feeble-minded style is dictatorial, but he still has stuff like federal courts stopping him. I'm talking about when all those inconvenient hurdles go away, and we have an actual one party state. And before you GOPers get a woody, that government would be in total control of a centralized command economy. Also, you theocons better hope you happened to pick the same door as Dear Leader, because everybody else is going to the God Reeducation Camps.
That stuff happens. Germany was an advanced nation, China is the world's largest nation, Russia was fired up by a revolution to liberate the people from their tyrannical rulers, and all three wound up with hardcore, actual dictatorships. There is absolutely no reason it can't happen here. The winning side would simply claim not to be a dictatorship, and its supporters would never even see it was one, so for them there would be no cognitive dissonance at all.
Our institutions will not protect us. We must protect our institutions.
I'm talking about the real thing. We rightly complain that Trump's feeble-minded style is dictatorial, but he still has stuff like federal courts stopping him. I'm talking about when all those inconvenient hurdles go away, and we have an actual one party state. And before you GOPers get a woody, that government would be in total control of a centralized command economy. Also, you theocons better hope you happened to pick the same door as Dear Leader, because everybody else is going to the God Reeducation Camps.
That stuff happens. Germany was an advanced nation, China is the world's largest nation, Russia was fired up by a revolution to liberate the people from their tyrannical rulers, and all three wound up with hardcore, actual dictatorships. There is absolutely no reason it can't happen here. The winning side would simply claim not to be a dictatorship, and its supporters would never even see it was one, so for them there would be no cognitive dissonance at all.
Our institutions will not protect us. We must protect our institutions.
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Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
And that is perfectly logical, since the people want to be rescued from chaos and perceive a strongman as being capable of doing that.
And that is perfectly logical, since the people want to be rescued from chaos and perceive a strongman as being capable of doing that.
rufus
rock and roller
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
Our blue collar billionaire at work once again, protecting the little people from those in government and Wall Street who prey on them.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-public-housing-hud-assistance-program-budget
Our blue collar billionaire at work once again, protecting the little people from those in government and Wall Street who prey on them.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-public-housing-hud-assistance-program-budget
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
It's clearly what America wants. There can be no question about that at this time.
It's clearly what America wants. There can be no question about that at this time.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
Kind of makes you wish we could see 2 years from now as all these people whine and complain and wonder why things are so bad in their crappy Red States. Meanwhile those of us in Blue States will just live a happy life not having to deal with it.
Kepler wont need to nuke the South...because nuking it would be an improvement
Kind of makes you wish we could see 2 years from now as all these people whine and complain and wonder why things are so bad in their crappy Red States. Meanwhile those of us in Blue States will just live a happy life not having to deal with it.
Kepler wont need to nuke the South...because nuking it would be an improvement
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
I'm not going to say anything like that anymore. Even joking about violence has become too on the nose now. We've entered dangerous waters.
Kepler wont need to nuke the South...because nuking it would be an improvement
I'm not going to say anything like that anymore. Even joking about violence has become too on the nose now. We've entered dangerous waters.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
Just out of curiosity, how is it that no one had to reapply when their terms expired before? Was it just assumed BOSC was a lifetime appointment?
Just out of curiosity, how is it that no one had to reapply when their terms expired before? Was it just assumed BOSC was a lifetime appointment?
WeAreNDHockey
\../ \../
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
But wait, there a quite of few influential democrats saying that Georgia was a great sign. Never mind that Ossoff lost by twice as many percentage points as Clinton did in this same district 7 months ago and trump has spent that 7 months basically effing up on a daily basis. After the wipeout in Wichita the insider folks I know and work with said "just wait and see what the democrats will do in a district where we're paying attention and pouring money into." Yeah, so how'd that work out?
The dems know how to get the votes in a presidential election but forces are completely aligned against them just about every other way. They managed to outpoll the republicans in 4 of the 5 elections so far in the 2000s, and some still believe the one they didn't might very well have been stolen (persistent claims in Ohio to this day that numerous dirty tricks and outright fraud cost Kerry enough votes to cost him the state and the election). But right now if I had to pick between a Clinton presidency and the current republican congress, or live with trump in the White House but have a few real, actual grown ups leading congress, I might prefer the latter. I guess at least either way we'd stop some of the most egregious crap republicans want to do.
It's imperative that the democrats get this figured out, and quickly. They can stick their moral victories and close elections where the sun doesn't shine. It's about god da mn time to start winning.
But wait, there a quite of few influential democrats saying that Georgia was a great sign. Never mind that Ossoff lost by twice as many percentage points as Clinton did in this same district 7 months ago and trump has spent that 7 months basically effing up on a daily basis. After the wipeout in Wichita the insider folks I know and work with said "just wait and see what the democrats will do in a district where we're paying attention and pouring money into." Yeah, so how'd that work out?
The dems know how to get the votes in a presidential election but forces are completely aligned against them just about every other way. They managed to outpoll the republicans in 4 of the 5 elections so far in the 2000s, and some still believe the one they didn't might very well have been stolen (persistent claims in Ohio to this day that numerous dirty tricks and outright fraud cost Kerry enough votes to cost him the state and the election). But right now if I had to pick between a Clinton presidency and the current republican congress, or live with trump in the White House but have a few real, actual grown ups leading congress, I might prefer the latter. I guess at least either way we'd stop some of the most egregious crap republicans want to do.
It's imperative that the democrats get this figured out, and quickly. They can stick their moral victories and close elections where the sun doesn't shine. It's about god da mn time to start winning.
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FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
Start by no longer trying to flip Republican districts - go from the crease out.
Start by no longer trying to flip Republican districts - go from the crease out.
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
Trump administration taking punative measures against liberal states.
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/...rt-drum-training-range-20170621&template=mwdt
People thought the previous administration was going the black helicopter route. Nah! tD is going YUGE!
Trump administration taking punative measures against liberal states.
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/...rt-drum-training-range-20170621&template=mwdt
People thought the previous administration was going the black helicopter route. Nah! tD is going YUGE!
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
You know what, since I'm so sick of the whining in these threads...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwhvByj8YG8
5-0!
You know what, since I'm so sick of the whining in these threads...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwhvByj8YG8
5-0!
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
I disagree. We should fight everywhere but invest commensurate with expected value. Particularly in a situation where the GOP holds majorities all over the map we have to flip GOP seats. But it is always a good idea to probe for rotten teeth everywhere.
We don't even run candidates in a lot of state house races. That needs to change. We need 50 robust state Democratic organizations and the DCCC needs to be attacking every House seat vigorously. Tap local money, field knowledge, and enthusiasm. We will pick off a seat now and then, and more importantly grow a party with national appeal rather than one that recycles messages that are targeted to seats we already have.
Grow or die.
I disagree. We should fight everywhere but invest commensurate with expected value. Particularly in a situation where the GOP holds majorities all over the map we have to flip GOP seats. But it is always a good idea to probe for rotten teeth everywhere.
We don't even run candidates in a lot of state house races. That needs to change. We need 50 robust state Democratic organizations and the DCCC needs to be attacking every House seat vigorously. Tap local money, field knowledge, and enthusiasm. We will pick off a seat now and then, and more importantly grow a party with national appeal rather than one that recycles messages that are targeted to seats we already have.
Grow or die.
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FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
If it worked for Plattsburgh...
You know, a part of me really enjoys living in a battleground Congressional district. You really get to understand the candidates.
If it worked for Plattsburgh...
You know, a part of me really enjoys living in a battleground Congressional district. You really get to understand the candidates.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
Yes, please.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/us/politics/trump-iowa-rally-venting-session.html
MSNBC hit the America's Got Talent buzzer after each lie clip they played from the President's rally last night.I think I lost count at 10. Let's fact it, lying works. Democrats need to learn to lie like Republicans and get away with it.
Yes, please.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/us/politics/trump-iowa-rally-venting-session.html
MSNBC hit the America's Got Talent buzzer after each lie clip they played from the President's rally last night.I think I lost count at 10. Let's fact it, lying works. Democrats need to learn to lie like Republicans and get away with it.
rufus
rock and roller
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
But they can't. The Repubs will call them on it every time, and the Democrats will meekly concede and apologize, furthering their perceived image as ball-less milquetoasts.
Democrats need to fight back against every Republican lie, and fight back hard. Not just say, "wrong' or go off on some ten minute technobabble discussion about why it's wrong, but in short succint phrases, demonstrate the lie, and then explain in words even a fifth grader can understand, the effects of the specific Republican policy on the people they're speaking to.
But they can't. The Repubs will call them on it every time, and the Democrats will meekly concede and apologize, furthering their perceived image as ball-less milquetoasts.
Democrats need to fight back against every Republican lie, and fight back hard. Not just say, "wrong' or go off on some ten minute technobabble discussion about why it's wrong, but in short succint phrases, demonstrate the lie, and then explain in words even a fifth grader can understand, the effects of the specific Republican policy on the people they're speaking to.
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
When don blamed the Democrats for obstruction- he could not be specific on what they are actually obstructing, because there isn't anything.
Democrats are not holding up healthcare- republicans are.
Democrats are not holding up nominees- all of the ones so far got through- not with any significant support, but that's no different that President Obama. Even the SCOTUS nominee got through. And for the unfilled positions, there are no nominees to hold up. They just don't exist.
It's just BS, it's not even funny.
I'm sure Democrats what to do their best to hold up things- but there's just nothing they need to hold up. Heck, the healthcare bill already has enough R's against it, because they have no idea what it is, that it won't pass.
R's have both houses and the White House, and it's STILL Democrats to blame.
What's really funny (strange funny) about this- there was an article on Morning Edition this morning about the real separation is more between educated and non educated. But the people the non-educated are voting for are CUTTING education. So they are more likely to get farther behind, and this has been willingly going on for many years. The most ardent of the one side are the non-educated who don't ever leave their home for better opportunities. Which makes them blame everyone else for their problems. Like the coal miners who forget that their family moved to that area at some point for the opportunity- they just have to stay there and be coal miners. Even in the face of declining demand for coal and the increase of other jobs throughout the country. Like making solar panels....
But all of that means is that they won't question the candidate who blames. Just like don does.
When don blamed the Democrats for obstruction- he could not be specific on what they are actually obstructing, because there isn't anything.
Democrats are not holding up healthcare- republicans are.
Democrats are not holding up nominees- all of the ones so far got through- not with any significant support, but that's no different that President Obama. Even the SCOTUS nominee got through. And for the unfilled positions, there are no nominees to hold up. They just don't exist.
It's just BS, it's not even funny.
I'm sure Democrats what to do their best to hold up things- but there's just nothing they need to hold up. Heck, the healthcare bill already has enough R's against it, because they have no idea what it is, that it won't pass.
R's have both houses and the White House, and it's STILL Democrats to blame.
What's really funny (strange funny) about this- there was an article on Morning Edition this morning about the real separation is more between educated and non educated. But the people the non-educated are voting for are CUTTING education. So they are more likely to get farther behind, and this has been willingly going on for many years. The most ardent of the one side are the non-educated who don't ever leave their home for better opportunities. Which makes them blame everyone else for their problems. Like the coal miners who forget that their family moved to that area at some point for the opportunity- they just have to stay there and be coal miners. Even in the face of declining demand for coal and the increase of other jobs throughout the country. Like making solar panels....
But all of that means is that they won't question the candidate who blames. Just like don does.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">By the way, if Russia was working so hard on the 2016 Election, it all took place during the Obama Admin. Why didn't they stop them?</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/877879361130688512">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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This guy is President of the ****ing United States of America.
I just don't think I can stand it anymore.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">By the way, if Russia was working so hard on the 2016 Election, it all took place during the Obama Admin. Why didn't they stop them?</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/877879361130688512">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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This guy is President of the ****ing United States of America.
I just don't think I can stand it anymore.
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