POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

[WeAreNDHockey]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

Yeah, I've kind of given up on reconciliation there. I'm ready to concede that we're closing in on a repeat of another time in American history, but the players differ. Instead of rural (cotton) vs. urban (factories), it's now blue collar (welfare/farming/mining/minimum wage service) vs. white collar (IT/engineering/medical/finance/execs). I am in no way suggesting, like an alt-right nutter, that I think we're headed for CW2 anytime in the near future. However, we're at that level of anger about such an income division & difference in "way-of-life" for the first time in decades. Where we go from here, who knows?

I don't know where we go but my biggest fear is that it is going to get a lot uglier before it gets better. Admittedly I am a pessimist and I want to be happy that trump is finding it nearly impossible to do much of anything and as the flames on his butt get hotter and hotter maybe we'll see some positive change, but I must say I am fearful that something really awful is in our near future. I think it's gonna be one long, hot summer.

 

[The Rube]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

Either a deplorable, an enabler of the deplorables (the mirror will help you with this one), or someone who will speak up against the deplorables? 66% terrifying...

Government is as messed up as we thought.
The population is as messed up as we thought.
Division is strong. Either against or for (insert reason/cause). No gray.

It sucks.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

I don't know where we go but my biggest fear is that it is going to get a lot uglier before it gets better. Admittedly I am a pessimist and I want to be happy that trump is finding it nearly impossible to do much of anything and as the flames on his butt get hotter and hotter maybe we'll see some positive change, but I must say I am fearful that something really awful is in our near future. I think it's gonna be one long, hot summer.

The Real Last Innocent Year: America in 2016?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

Civil War is sadly imminent, what with the legitimization of attacks, the desensitization of killing leaders, and the overall polarization.

Some believe the first shots were fired yesterday. It's entirely possible; after all, an assassination started WWI.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

Government is as messed up as we thought.
The population is as messed up as we thought.
Division is strong. Either against or for (insert reason/cause). No gray.

It sucks.

And unfortunately, a lot of that is by design.

 

[JF_Gophers]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

I don't see a lot of common ground in our country to help fix this divide. Individuals may be reasonable, but as a group neither side of the big issues is going to be willing to budge.

Guns, abortion, lgbtq rights, religious rights, climate change protections.

I won't list healthcare in that, because I think that can be solved once government puts the poor and at-risk ahead of other considerations.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

I don't see a lot of common ground in our country to help fix this divide. Individuals may be reasonable, but as a group neither side of the big issues is going to be willing to budge.

Guns, abortion, lgbtq rights, religious rights, climate change protections.

I won't list healthcare in that, because I think that can be solved once government puts the poor and at-risk ahead of other considerations.

Health Care won't happen either. Everyone is entitled to their own set of facts now. In everything. Even matters of law.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They made up a phony collusion with the Russians story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story. Nice</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875305788708974592">June 15, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You are witnessing the single greatest WITCH HUNT in American political history - led by some very bad and conflicted people! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MAGA?src=hash">#MAGA</a></p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875321478849363968">June 15, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[joecct]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

There will always be healthcare. What may not be around is universal health insurance.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

There will always be healthcare. What may not be around is universal health insurance.

Uh, no. Many people do not have access to health care and never have. Going to the emergency room is not health care.

 

[joecct]

Uh, no. Many people do not have access to health care and never have. Going to the emergency room is not health care.

Why isn't it? I'm sick, I see a doctor, doctor does his/her thing. Where I do that is my choice, be it an office, an urgent care, a clinic (free or otherwise) or the ER.

Paying for it is another issue entirely.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

Why isn't it? I'm sick, I see a doctor, doctor does his/her thing. Where I do that is my choice, be it an office, an urgent care, a clinic (free or otherwise) or the ER.

Paying for it is another issue entirely.

Serious? If you're going to the emergency room for health care that usually means you've let something go. Now you have something worse than you might have had. It's classic have and have nots. Which, since Reagan, is exactly the Republican/Rush_Conservative platform.

 

[joecct]

Serious? If you're going to the emergency room for health care that usually means you've let something go. Now you have something worse than you might have had. It's classic have and have nots. Which, since Reagan, is exactly the Republican/Rush_Conservative platform.

We're talking Klingon/English here. I am not disagreeing with you 100%. Our health system is FUBAR. How to fix it will occupy many for much time. It cannot be fixed by a stroke of a pen. It needs to be torn down and rebuilt with money not as the focus but on the wellbeing and dignity of the patient. And that will need a revolution to accomplish.

You're forcing people to see the doctor. I'm saying it's a matter of personal choice, no matter what the system.

The same should be for PCPs. Obviously they need to see some patients to put bread on the table. But how many should be their choice.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

It cannot be fixed by a stroke of a pen.

Actually it could.

 

[joecct]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

I can't believe that Vladimir really said this. From today's Telegraph

JUNE 2017 • 12:22PM
Russian president Vladimir Putin has been taking questions from audience members and social media users in his latest edition of "A Direct Line With Putin," a programme where voters ostensibly are allowed to grill their leader on key issues.

The stand-out question, which was about US-Russia relations, yielded a provocative response from Mr Putin. He said Russia was prepared to grant former FBI director James Comey political asylumm as it did to NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden.

 

[leswp1]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

whatever happens to trump, this nation is still going to be horribly divided and we're still in a terrible place. Everybody kept trying to say it isn't as bad as the 60s because there are no politicians and leaders dying. Well probably the only reason no one died in today's violence (so far) is because the particular politician that was targeted was high enough up on the food chain to warrant full scale protection. Had the capitol police not been around who knows what would have happened. And violence breeds violence. My guess is something like this will happen again, and soon. As was mentioned here by others why leak the news today that trump is under investigation by Mueller? The news of the shooting, the news out of London (I'm SURE the trump people have been on their knees praying that was terrorism and not just a horrible landlord like trump), a perfect time to toss a curveball out there. I will put nothing out of reach of this administration right now as far as doing things to distract us. Just wait. Something big is in the wings. Big and ugly.

Someone posted Ann Coulter's tweets. Read the responses- full of batsh1t crazies saying bring it on, you started it, we will finish it. She is a menace.

Civil War is sadly imminent, what with the legitimization of attacks, the desensitization of killing leaders, and the overall polarization.

Some believe the first shots were fired yesterday. It's entirely possible; after all, an assassination started WWI.

INteresting that a few GOP pols have come out and said the rhetoric needs to be ratcheted back and people need to get a grip. Now if they could so something with the media feeding on keeping people riled....

I can't believe that Vladimir really said this. From today's Telegraph

Well, his puppet and syncophants didn't do so well declawing Comey so this is his attempt. He is way smarter than the puppet.

 

[MaizeRage]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

This is the one GOOD thing (so to speak) that Trump has done. He has shown us who we are. And it's very sad. And scary.

Who is 'we'? All it has done for most of us has shown that we were absolutely correct in saying this was an awful idea, and that you were a child for thinking it wouldn't.

 

[leswp1]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

I need some help understanding the latest GOP reasoning and talking points. They are going after Trump for obstruction because they haven't been able to find proof of collusion. Except this is completely illogical. a) the investigation is not complete so if they haven't come out and told what has been found yet how does this mean there is nothing? If they are reeling in all the tentacles why would they tell people what they knew? b) if they are trying to investigate and the prez is attempting to actively impede the ongoing investigation might this not mean they are still trying to get to something and he was trying to stop them from getting there?

Unless the investigation is complete it doesn't mean they haven't found things, only we don't know. I know. Being a thinking, logical being is such a handicap when listening to the 'reasoning' of the current admin.

 

[bronconick]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

"Civil War" isn't happening as long as Americans have Netflix, video games, smartphones and air conditioning. Have the neglected infrastructure collapse and get back to me.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

I need some help understanding the latest GOP reasoning and talking points. They are going after Trump for obstruction because they haven't been able to find proof of collusion. Except this is completely illogical. a) the investigation is not complete so if they haven't come out and told what has been found yet how does this mean there is nothing? If they are reeling in all the tentacles why would they tell people what they knew? b) if they are trying to investigate and the prez is attempting to actively impede the ongoing investigation might this not mean they are still trying to get to something and he was trying to stop them from getting there?

Unless the investigation is complete it doesn't mean they haven't found things, only we don't know. I know. Being a thinking, logical being is such a handicap when listening to the 'reasoning' of the current admin.

They're trying to curtail the investigation by way of a premature dog-and-pony show. If they can get the public to say there's no evidence yet, they can then denounce the investigation as being about a whole lot of nothing once it concludes. That way they won't have to actually do anything with the information they're provided in Robert Mueller's final report.

 

[French Rage]

Re: POTUS 45.12: Dan, does it take courage when encountering the covfefe?

Unless the investigation is complete it doesn't mean they haven't found things, only we don't know. I know. Being a thinking, logical being is such a handicap when listening to the 'reasoning' of the current admin.

They really seem to like to ignore the whole concept of an investigation being in progress versus complete. That seemed to be one of their strategies during the Comey questioning, equating nothing be done to Hillary (after a year long investigation that was COMPLETE) versus people still asking questions about Trump (which of course should occur with an investigation still IN PROGRESS). It's all part of a strategy to mislead and confuse their followers, which is easier done that said.