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POTUS 45.11: Attack! Repeat. Atrack!!!

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He had zero shot of getting the Democratic nomination. He picked Republican for a reason and that reason is obvious.

You're thinking of the 2016 election cycle. I'm thinking more meta about authoritarians and where they might emerge from. Chavez. Castro. Stalin. Mao. etc. I said "just as easily", but the reality is that Trump could have MORE easily been a leftist. And won due to blind party loyalty.
 
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This will test Kepler's theory of who really is the majority in this country. We'll find out. And frankly it's the Democrats only hope cause appealing to reason hasn't worked and will never work.


The majority in this country, and every country, is on auto-pilot. They vote for a party for the same reason they root for a team or have a religion. They picked it up from the culture they grew up in. They aren't reasoning politically -- they aren't reasoning at all. They are taking in stimulae and filtering it through Kantian categories impressed on the wax of their infant minds by their parents, and their thoughts reinforce their preconceptions because both come from the same factory.

Divide adult citizens into equal thirds by intelligence, or more politically correct by educational achievement. Ignore the non-major parties for simplicity. The top third ("animal") is about 70/30 Democratic, the middle third ("vegetable") is about 70/30 Republican. The bottom third ("mineral") is the Deliverance throwback -- but it doesn't vote or really participate in public life much at all. Occasionally the GOP finds a gimmick to activate a small portion of it; Evangelical Christianity was the last one. But for the most part it, like Cthulhu, waits dreaming in its La-Z-Boy with the built-in cupholders.

Education and social caste used to cut across political ideology. Only since the GOP's Great Stupification, going into overdrive with Rush and O'Reilly, has the vegetable portion of the electorate become predominantly conservative. The Republicans used racism and tub-thumping fundamentalism to pull over ahem "cultural" (white nationalist) voters. People above the intellectual Mendoza line gravitated either to the Democrats or to abstruse libertarian sects.

With Trump in the White House and the GOP with a chokehold on our democracy the Vegetables are in control, now, for the first time in American history. There are no adults in the room. So when Trump and the GOP fail bigly the Vegetables will either slink off and become apathetic (let's hope) or they'll dive down to the mineral level and activate the Orcs. That's how real authoritarian states operate. Mussolini and Hitler only held the Vegetables' allegiance long enough to get hold of the mineral substratum that exists species-wide, evenly distributed across the entire globe. The common enemy of all mankind; the id; the Hessian Steppenwolf.
 
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You're thinking of the 2016 election cycle. I'm thinking more meta about authoritarians and where they might emerge from. Chavez. Castro. Stalin. Mao. etc. I said "just as easily", but the reality is that Trump could have MORE easily been a leftist. And won due to blind party loyalty.

Just as easily, how? There was no one on the left side running that's anywhere close to that. Hell, if anything the Green Party is even less authoritarian. As I see it you knock those down as you come to them. I'm not going to get "worried" now about something that doesn't exist in our politics when we have a full blown ******* in the White House now.
 
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The majority in this country, and every country, is on auto-pilot. They vote for a party for the same reason they root for a team or have a religion. They picked it up from the culture they grew up in. They aren't reasoning politically -- they aren't reasoning at all. They are taking in stimulae and filtering it through Kantian categories impressed on the wax of their infant minds by their parents, and their thoughts reinforce their preconceptions because both come from the same factory.

Divide adult citizens into equal thirds by intelligence, or more politically correct by educational achievement. Ignore the non-major parties for simplicity. The top third ("animal") is about 70/30 Democratic, the middle third ("vegetable") is about 70/30 Republican. The bottom third ("mineral") is the Deliverance throwback -- but it doesn't vote or really participate in public life much at all. Occasionally the GOP finds a gimmick to activate a small portion of it; Evangelical Christianity was the last one. But for the most part it, like Cthulhu, waits dreaming in its La-Z-Boy with the cupholders.

Education and social caste used to cut across political ideology. Only since the GOP's Great Stupification, going into overdrive with Rush and O'Reilly, has the vegetable portion of the electorate become predominantly conservative. The Republicans used racism and religious fundamentalism to pull over ahem "cultural" (white nationalist) voters. People above the intellectual Mendoza line gravitated either to the Democrats or to abstruse libertarian sects.

All this does is reinforce my fear that we haven't hit bottom yet. And if that's true by the time we figure out we're at bottom it will be too late.
 
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I'm not going to get "worried" now about something that doesn't exist in our politics when we have a full blown ******* in the White House now.

I agree with this part. Purge the insanity which is currently Republican by name.
Conservatives agree with you that Republicans are stupid and dangerous and need to be expunged.
 
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The thing to bear in mind is that Trump could just as easily have aligned himself with the Democrats, and he would have still been just as ***tty a president. Would that be just fine then because democrat? He is not a conservative or liberal person.

He could have easily aligned himself that way, but he wouldn't have gotten the nomination as easily. The Dems have more proportional primaries rather than winner take all, which really boosted trump early on by getting all delegates with ~30 percent of vote totals.
 
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All this does is reinforce my fear that we haven't hit bottom yet. And if that's true by the time we figure out we're at bottom it will be too late.

We're setting new records for the US every day, but no. This is the bottom, the universal taproot of hatred and violence. When the Vegetables get in a jam they always think they can control it. In the end the bonfire becomes the whole world.
 
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We're setting new records for the US every day, but no. This is the bottom, the universal taproot of hatred and violence. When the Vegetables get in a jam they always think they can control it. In the end the bonfire becomes the whole world.

That should never have had to happen again. It's why we teach history to our population.
 
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He could have easily aligned himself that way, but he wouldn't have gotten the nomination as easily. The Dems have more proportional primaries rather than winner take all, which really boosted trump early on by getting all delegates with ~30 percent of vote totals.

Trump could have won the Democratic nomination easily in 1896 with William Jennings Bryan, or 1948 with Strom Thurmond, or even 1964 with George Wallace. But to win as a Dem now he would have had to entice the Dixiecrats back, and that ship has long since sailed.

To be honest he would have had a better shot as a Third Party candidate -- a successful Pat Buchanan -- than as a Democrat.
 
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Trump could have won the Democratic nomination easily in 1896 with William Jennings Bryan, or 1948 with Strom Thurmond, or even 1964 with George Wallace. But to win as a Dem now he would have had to entice the Dixiecrats back, and that ship has long since sailed.

To be honest he would have had a better shot as a Third Party candidate -- a successful Pat Buchanan -- than as a Democrat.

Oh man......a third party with Trump at the helm?! That.....whoa. Talk about unadulterated chaos, and that is being said even now, currently. Compared to now? Even more of a train wreck, IMO.
 
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Oh man......a third party with Trump at the helm?! That.....whoa. Talk about unadulterated chaos, and that is being said even now, currently. Compared to now? Even more of a train wreck, IMO.

It would have happened if the GOP had gotten their dicks out of their own as-ses in time to screw him out of the nom.

But for sheer larfs you really can't beat now. The funniest thing in the current government isn't Trump, it's the Republicans who have to eat his sh-t and smile and beg for more please because they're afraid of his base. It really couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of Marmalards.
 
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Could Trump really have won as a third party candidate, though? As much as he played the card of being the outsider, in the end he needed the framework of being the candidate of one of the two major parties, if for no other reason than by having the (R) he gets for free the 30% that won't vote for a (D). Additionally, being the candidate of one of the big 2 gives at least an appearance of legitimacy that being a third party candidate instinctively does not (not saying it shouldn't, just acknowledging people's gut reaction).
 
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Could Trump really have won as a third party candidate, though? As much as he played the card of being the outsider, in the end he needed the framework of being the candidate of one of the two major parties, if for no other reason than by having the (R) he gets for free the 30% that won't vote for a (D). Additionally, being the candidate of one of the big 2 gives at least an appearance of legitimacy that being a third party candidate instinctively does not (not saying it shouldn't, just acknowledging people's gut reaction).

Oh, he would have lost, but he would have pulled enough from Lyin Ted or Little Marco that even Hillary would have coasted to victory.
 
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Could Trump really have won as a third party candidate, though? As much as he played the card of being the outsider, in the end he needed the framework of being the candidate of one of the two major parties, if for no other reason than by having the (R) he gets for free the 30% that won't vote for a (D). Additionally, being the candidate of one of the big 2 gives at least an appearance of legitimacy that being a third party candidate instinctively does not (not saying it shouldn't, just acknowledging people's gut reaction).

That is a good point. Although by running with a major party he sorta kinda had to concede a couple things. As a third party, there would ZERO constraints, and where I was coming from......
 
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Oh, he would have lost, but he would have pulled enough from Lyin Ted or Little Marco that even Hillary would have coasted to victory.

It would have been split almost down the middle. Clinton would have won somewhere between 50-25-25 and 50-30-20
 
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The thing to bear in mind is that Trump could just as easily have aligned himself with the Democrats, and he would have still been just as ***tty a president. Would that be just fine then because democrat? He is not a conservative or liberal person.

Ummm, no?

Wouldn't have made it out of a Democratic primary.

That he did the Republicans' speaks all you need to know about them, and their party.
 
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re: Kepler, I don't think there's any such thing as "the white community." If there were, who do you feel is able to speak for it? Even more than with minority races, "whites" illustrate that people are individual actors. You have crazy Trump humpers out stabbing people, you have hippy dippy Birkenstock wearing professors, and plenty of normal people who speak out against Trump (or don't) who can all be called "white." So to call out "the white community" doesn't accomplish anything good, but it adds to the misconception that we all must be ruled by group identity assignment against our self interest and moral responsibilities. There is no white community or black community or born Democrat etc. There are a lot of people, most of whom want to get along with each other.
I welcome your corrections.

Not sure why we're still actually listening to the great divider...
 
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He could have easily aligned himself that way, but he wouldn't have gotten the nomination as easily. The Dems have more proportional primaries rather than winner take all, which really boosted trump early on by getting all delegates with ~30 percent of vote totals.

This is another lesson the Republicans should take from the chaos president, maybe fix their primaries to stem populism a bit.
 
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This is another lesson the Republicans should take from the chaos president, maybe fix their primaries to stem populism a bit.

Populism is what wins elections. People are sick of the establishment BS. They want something other than that.
 
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