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POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road

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You can dress it up however you like but the bottom line is if you don't have the dosh you lose your rights. It's part of liberals war on the lower classes.

Well, the conservative's war on the lower classes is why they don't have the money. :)

But I really don't see how you are squeezing your interpretation out of that language. It's not "dressing it up" to comprehend the simple meaning of the language of the rule. This seems like a case where an obsession with a particular narrative ("them durn libs comin fer ma gunzz!!!") is being applied to something else entirely ("The change in the NHL overtime rules is them durn libs comin fer ma gunzz!!!").
 
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The point of the sentence is that Kepler implied I was being hypocritical because back when Obama was president I posted that Executive Orders were bad, but I haven't (or at least hadn't before today) re-posted that exact same opinion since Trump took office. I just wanted to remind him that I was not a poster who came in here and complained every single time an Executive Order was issued by Obama. As it happens, on election day, I simply stated my opinion that it was a bad practice. It's not my opinion on Executive Orders that's changed.

Right, you stated your opinion and we're whining.

You live in a black-and-white world where all EOs are bad because they're EOs. As unofan pointed out:
Again, executive orders fill in the gaps left by Congress.

The pecking order is:
Constitution
Statutory law
Executive actions

Laws cannot violate the Constitution, and executive actions cannot contradict the Constitution or statutory law. But if the law says "people wearing red are banned," the President can define what constitutes red if Congress didn't. Maybe it includes maroon, or pink, or orange, or anything that includes a bit of red in the digital color scale.

The judiciary gives wide berths on immigration and national security issues, but if this doesn't count as enacting a law respecting religion (as brent argues) or violating the national origin provision of the 1965 law, then the court is simply being a rubber stamp at this point.

So now that we have that squared away, we can get into the substance of the EOs.

In January of 2009, Obama signed EOs 13489-13496. 13489 discussed presidential records, 13490 established an ethics commitment for the Executive Branch, 13491 banned torture, 13492 stated intent to close GitMo, 13493 established a special task force to review detention practices for detainees in the GWoT, 13494 banned certain costs from being passed on to the federal government that included what amounted to lobbying, 13495 required that new contractors taking over a contract from an old contractor offer employees positions to minimize disruption to their families, 13496 limited the ability to strike for most federal contractors and required posting of certain rights.

In January of 2017, Trump signed EOs 13765-13768. 13765 notified of intent to repeal Obamacare, 13766 allowed bypassing the EPA and environmental reviews for "certain" projects and included freezing of environmental grants and contracts, a gag order on scientists, and required the White House review on all published data. 13767 said they were going to build a wall along the southern border. 13768 threatened to defund sanctuary cities. 13769 banned White House employees from becoming lobbyists for five years after they leave the White House (among other prohibitions). 13770 (?) stopped immigration from seven countries and banned refugees from Syria.

And my favorite, which he signed today, says that for every new regulation passed, two must be removed. How infantile an understanding of the CFR these people have.
 
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You can dress it up however you like but the bottom line is if you don't have the dosh you lose your rights. It's part of liberals war on the lower classes.

that had NOTHING to do with being poor.

honestly, I'm getting concerned with the idea of you owning firearms.
 
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The day we put out the gun control - that the vast majority of people want...is the day we can talk about more access to guns - people have not said they want.

In a Pew Research poll in July/16, 85 percent of Americans favored background checks on all private gun sales and gun show sales.
 
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Um, wasn't that rule that people who were SS pensioners because they were insane shouldn't have guns?

Cuz I'm pretty much OK with that.

Granted, Flag's right to worry.

He didn't even read the Snopes post. It basically told him his original post was wrong.
 
Well, the conservative's war on the lower classes is why they don't have the money. :)

But I really don't see how you are squeezing your interpretation out of that language. It's not "dressing it up" to comprehend the simple meaning of the language of the rule. This seems like a case where an obsession with a particular narrative ("them durn libs comin fer ma gunzz!!!") is being applied to something else entirely ("The change in the NHL overtime rules is them durn libs comin fer ma gunzz!!!").

This is a much better explanation of the law: https://www.nraila.org/articles/20161223/grandma-got-run-over-by-obama-ssa-finalizes-new-gun-prohibition-rule
 
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road

You can dress it up however you like but the bottom line is if you don't have the dosh you lose your rights. It's part of liberals war on the lower classes.

Are you insane or just illiterate? The page YOU posted said that it didn't ban people on Social Security from owning guns. It banned people who were insane and on Social Security because they were insane from owning guns.
 
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keep making our point for us.

here is a quote from your article:

It will affect those who receive SSI or disability insurance because of a listed mental health impairment and who have been assigned a representative payee to manage the benefits because of the person’s mental condition.


It isn't about taking away your guns "because you are poor"
 
Are you insane or just illiterate? The page YOU posted said that it didn't ban people on Social Security from owning guns. It banned people who were insane and on Social Security because they were insane from owning guns.

It's people who are on social security and don't have enough money. That is exactly what I put in my original post and exactly what the law entails. Obama tried to dress up people with financial difficulties as 'mentally incompetent' or whatever else you would like to call it.
 
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It's people who are on social security and don't have enough money. That is exactly what I put in my original post and exactly what the law entails. Obama tried to dress up people with financial difficulties as 'mentally incompetent' or whatever else you would like to call it.

you are insane. NOTHING YOU HAVE POSTED SAYS THAT IN ANYWAY.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give up your guns. You aren't mentally fit to have them.
 
you are insane. NOTHING YOU HAVE POSTED SAYS THAT IN ANYWAY.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give up your guns. You aren't mentally fit to have them.

Read the last paragraph of the Snopes article. It literally says exactly what I posted. This has to do with money, or as the rules calls it 'financial affairs.'
 
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Jesus. Flag is the sane one today. :eek:
 
Re: POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road

Read recently that 45% of US Fortune 500 tech companies were founded or co founded by immigrants.

Partial list of major corporations enacting policies to address Trump's actions:

Goldman Sachs
Lyft
Google
Apple
Starbucks
GE
JP Morgan
Morgan Stanley
Netflix
Uber
Twitter
Airbnb
Box
LinkedIn
Adobe
Amazon
Facebook
Microsoft
Salesforce
Tesla
 
Read the last paragraph of the Snopes article. It literally says exactly what I posted. This has to do with money, or as the rules calls it 'financial affairs.'

No, it has to do with people with mental disabilities so severe that they can't even manage their financial affairs. That could apply to the rich and poor alike.
 
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