Potntial Destinations for D1 Hockey Teams

[Hammer]

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Adrian would need a whole new arena yes. But it really wouldn't be that much of a reach for them to move the rest of the athletic department up to D2 and play in the GLIAC. They already have the facilities that would put them on par with about everybody else in the GLIAC. And well, there's been a lot of concern from some of the Michigan GLIAC schools that eventually, some of the Ohio schools in the GLIAC might get tired of us all thumping on them all of the time for the most part and might opt to break off into their own conference. Adrian would be welcomed into the GLIAC with wide open arms.

You know good and well who I know over there. And I'm telling you this: Adrian Hockey to D-1 is a non-starter. Now stop it.

 

[Patman]

Bylaw 18.5. http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D113.pdf

According to this, though, since Big Ten is a multi-sport conference, they will receive the autobid, as they are not held to the two year requirement (bylaw 31.3.4.4.1). WCHA would receive the autobid under the grace period and 5 team rule (after all, how did CHA get away with it when UAH is D-II?). NCHC is a tough cookie, as although they have 6 together, I don't see anything about it have to be that particular conference, so they might be eligible. As for the terminology of "Division I membership", if they're playing hockey at the Division I level, why would they not be considered Division I members?

Depends, is the by-law about full D1 or mixed division leagues.

I would believe that schools are only a member of a division if the most of the school's program (save the excepted) are at a division 1level

 

[bigmrg74]

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You know good and well who I know over there. And I'm telling you this: Adrian Hockey to D-1 is a non-starter. Now stop it.

I know its a pipe dream Hammer, pretty much how GVSU D1 hockey pretty much is. But hell, one can dream.

 

[Hammer]

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I know its a pipe dream Hammer, pretty much how GVSU D1 hockey pretty much is. But hell, one can dream.

It's absolutely asinine. They didn't just build a new arena 6 years ago, and put a restaurant in this one 2 years ago, to build something completely new within a decade.

 

[bigmrg74]

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It's absolutely asinine. They didn't just build a new arena 6 years ago, and put a restaurant in this one 2 years ago, to build something completely new within a decade.

Yeah, but within that first year they was already wishing they had made that arena a little bigger. Even with the restaurant there its pretty tight for a game.

 

[The Rube]

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Bylaw 18.5. http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D113.pdf

According to this, though, since Big Ten is a multi-sport conference, they will receive the autobid, as they are not held to the two year requirement (bylaw 31.3.4.4.1). WCHA would receive the autobid under the grace period and 5 team rule (after all, how did CHA get away with it when UAH is D-II?). NCHC is a tough cookie, as although they have 6 together, I don't see anything about it have to be that particular conference, so they might be eligible. As for the terminology of "Division I membership", if they're playing hockey at the Division I level, why would they not be considered Division I members?

And for the doubters, you really don't think there'll be an exception?! Follow. The. Money.

 

[Patman]

And for the doubters, you really don't think there'll be an exception?! Follow. The. Money.

Oh, I'm sure if there was really an issue they'd get an exemption... Nevertheless the question remains... After all, if a four team league with two Division II schools can get an autobid...

 

[Jim]

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SUNY Buffalo has been mentioned as having a potential interest in D1 hockey. Hockey is popular in Buffalo, but it's unclear what kind of community support they would enjoy. I don't think they currently have the facilities for a D1 program, so that would be a major obstacle.

I understand that Buffalo was in serious talks with the AHA and CHA about adding a team a few years ago. But two changes happened to make it a non-starter. first the CHA folded then Niagara, Robert Morris joined the AHA closing off any potential in that direction. Then the AD left for the UConn job and hockey at Buffalo went back on the shelf. As far as Rhode Island goes, there is real support for a program but no money. They looked into making a move to the AHA a few years ago too, but at a time when they were downgrading or dropping programs they couldn't pull the trigger. Now that opportunity is closed too. I know people like to "bash" AHA but it does 2 things. It helped grow the sport by allowing what every other college sport has, a mid-major conference, and it has improved over time. It has had a team to the Frozen Four. It has now had 2 teams qualify for the NCAA tournament. No question at the bottom of the league there is a problem. But the top teams are pretty solid now.

 

[Jim]

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In one sense, doesn't the whole question of an autobid for a new league come down to "does it matter?" the CHA was a unique story, but a leauge with Colorado college, Denver, North Dakota, Miami is going to get at least one bid anyway so it is an interesting but not particularly relevant issue. Most likely the NCAA gives a waiver if only because it makes life easier for everyone involved.

 

[5mn_Major]

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I have never seen the UC Buffalos on anyones list. Lot of talk about NE...but CO is a proven hockey state.

 

[bcarlisle]

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USC - "Would this be the easiest recruiting job ever for a college coach?" How did that work out at U.S. International in the 80s and 90s? U.S. Int was north of San Diego, a much better location than downtown Los Angeles, and it failed.

University of Texas - This is sillier yet.

USI was U.S. International in the '80's. They had no reputation, no local recruiting pool and no decent teams to play within 1,000 miles (except NAU) USC is USC in the '10s, one of the top names in college sports. The club hockey teams at the big western state universities plus Stanford + USC are getting pretty good on their own without varsity status and the big city markets of LA, Seattle, S.F. Bay and Phoenix are huge. Southern California and to a lesser extent Phoenix, Las Vegas and the San Francisco South Bay Area are all generating D-1 recruits today.

You could make a very good case for a Pac-6 Hockey League; a six team league with USC, Cal-Berkeley, Stanford, Washington, Arizona State and maybe Colorado. Most of these schools have more students on one campus than Union, SLU, Clarkson, Colgate and RPI combined and in most of those cities there are more people populating any random ten square mile area than there are in Canton, Potsdam, Hamilton, Schenectady and Troy combined. Most WCHA, Big 10, Hockey East and ECAC schools would put any of those schools on their schedules in a heartbeat. Between recruiting local kids and the promise of sunshine to Northerners, they would do just fine recruiting in Minnesota, New York, Massachusetts, New York and Ontario. Building D-1 rinks on those campuses would be the big challenge. Getting fans would not. Particularly in the SF Bay Area where I live, if you live in San FRancisco, Oakland or North, the pent up demand for hockey is pretty big. Going to a Sharks game with your family is an eight hour, $500 ordeal. If I could cross a bridge and go see a D-1 game in Berkeley, I would be all over it.

 

[gfmorris]

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Now, it's not likely to happen, but if there were teams at Texas Tech, Iowa State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Alabama, Auburn and LSU, those areas have all shown a love for the game. They would have a good chance to succeed.

Don't forget Georgia and Georgia Tech. Sadly, no one down here is very likely to add the sport. I think that Georgia Tech might come the closest given ice availability in Atlanta. Heck, I'm not even sure where the Aubies go for ice. I know that Mississippi State often ends up in Decatur, Ala. It's just crazy.

GFM

 

[joecct]

Don't forget Georgia and Georgia Tech. Sadly, no one down here is very likely to add the sport. I think that Georgia Tech might come the closest given ice availability in Atlanta. Heck, I'm not even sure where the Aubies go for ice. I know that Mississippi State often ends up in Decatur, Ala. It's just crazy.

GFM

Lax in the South before hockey. Don't need a new building.

 

[UAHStatman]

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Don't forget Georgia and Georgia Tech. Sadly, no one down here is very likely to add the sport. I think that Georgia Tech might come the closest given ice availability in Atlanta. Heck, I'm not even sure where the Aubies go for ice. I know that Mississippi State often ends up in Decatur, Ala. It's just crazy.

GFM

Auburn plays a lot of its games in Columbus, Ga., which is a bit more convenient than Mississippi State in Decatur.

All this reminds me of when Kennesaw State was actually talking about it. That would've been...interesting.

 

[gfmorris]

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Lax in the South before hockey. Don't need a new building.

Agreed! We talked about club lax when I was an undergraduate. Running with sticks and hitting people? Yeah.

Auburn plays a lot of its games in Columbus, Ga., which is a bit more convenient than Mississippi State in Decatur.

All this reminds me of when Kennesaw State was actually talking about it. That would've been...interesting.

The KSU student body was even ready to support it financially. I think Sonny Perdue put the kibosh on that one.

GFM

 

[davyd83]

Don't forget Georgia and Georgia Tech. Sadly, no one down here is very likely to add the sport. I think that Georgia Tech might come the closest given ice availability in Atlanta. Heck, I'm not even sure where the Aubies go for ice. I know that Mississippi State often ends up in Decatur, Ala. It's just crazy.

GFM

Auburn plays at Columbus, GA

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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The KSU student body was even ready to support it financially. I think Sonny Perdue put the kibosh on that one.

GFM

Don't tell me that Sonny wanted to ensure that it was local kids playing... Either that, or with the bust in leagues at the time, there wasn't anywhere to go. Perhaps a grassroots effort may help to reconsider?

 

[MaizeRage]

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Didn't a lot of the KSU talk involve playing at Phillips Arena and trying to tie them in with the Thrahers?

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Didn't a lot of the KSU talk involve playing at Phillips Arena and trying to tie them in with the Thrahers?

It's as likely now as it was back then.

 

[Humanoid]

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It's as likely now as it was back then.

If we're going to spitball potential destinations without just randomly throwing names out, the name most likely to come up will be Syracuse. They have women's, and if the Big Ten is going to continue to expand, eventually Syracuse could end up leaving the ACC for the B1G. That would put them in line to join the B1G hockey conference as well.