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PC Police: A New Low

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I'd make an adjustment to your statement in that "reasonable opinions garner discourse from reasonable people if there's disagreement." Lots of people still get shouted down or mocked even if they bring a reasonable opinion in a respectable way. Both sides have to be open to having that discourse. All too often, that's not the case.

I was thinking about your post a little further, and it brought to mind another part of this problem about having a civil discourse: all too often, people who are in broad general agreement about the ultimate goals of a policy or program wind up in virulent argument over one particular way to achieve it.

For example, suppose you and I both agree that, for those poor people who want a job, we want to help them: maybe we both acknowledge that some people like the dignity and sense of self-worth that accompanies being able to support oneself, and we both want to promote that goal.

Suppose further that we agree that some poor people will need transportation assistance to get to the workplace.

I suggest that we give them cars. You point out that there might be a problem with that idea, at least at the outset: (a) if the expenses of maintaining the car are "too" high, it might defeat the goal of helping people support themselves, because too much of their earnings will initially be diverted away from self-support, and (b) if the cars are unreliable and break down frequently, that also might defeat the goal because it would give the people a reputation for being unreliable, which is not helpful to them.

Suddenly I start calling you a heartless uncaring snob because you are undermining efforts to help poor people become self-sufficient!



In this example, it seems that my reaction would be extreme, yet that is exactly the same situation that occurs with healthcare reform in general compared to the actual textual language of PPACA in specific: in effect, PPACA tries to put 10 cubic feet into a box that is 2 feet wide, deep, and long: it cannot possibly work in the long run because it violates the laws of mathematics. Oy, so many potential allies who could combine to achieve actual workable effective healthcare reform suddenly become red-faced and short of breath in the violence of their denunciations. Anyone who says PPACA is flawed in any way must be excoriated, even if they are merely describing its underlying math. :(
 
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I was thinking about your post a little further, and it brought to mind another part of this problem about having a civil discourse: all too often, people who are in broad general agreement about the ultimate goals of a policy or program wind up in virulent argument over one particular way to achieve it.

For example, suppose you and I both agree that, for those poor people who want a job, we want to help them: maybe we both acknowledge that some people like the dignity and sense of self-worth that accompanies being able to support oneself, and we both want to promote that goal.

Suppose further that we agree that some poor people will need transportation assistance to get to the workplace.

I suggest that we give them cars. You point out that there might be a problem with that idea, at least at the outset: (a) if the expenses of maintaining the car are "too" high, it might defeat the goal of helping people support themselves, because too much of their earnings will initially be diverted away from self-support, and (b) if the cars are unreliable and break down frequently, that also might defeat the goal because it would give the people a reputation for being unreliable, which is not helpful to them.

Suddenly I start calling you a heartless uncaring snob because you are undermining efforts to help poor people become self-sufficient!



In this example, it seems that my reaction would be extreme, yet that is exactly the same situation that occurs with healthcare reform in general compared to the actual textual language of PPACA in specific: in effect, PPACA tries to put 10 cubic feet into a box that is 2 feet wide, deep, and long: it cannot possibly work in the long run because it violates the laws of mathematics. Oy, so many potential allies who could combine to achieve actual workable effective healthcare reform suddenly become red-faced and short of breath in the violence of their denunciations. Anyone who says PPACA is flawed in any way must be excoriated, even if they are merely describing its underlying math. :(

Or, you know, you could tell your party to stop b_tching about public transportation and give the poors a pittance every now and then.
 
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Or, you know, you could tell your party to stop b_tching about public transportation and give the poors a pittance every now and then.

Even then, you look at how people argue on the best way to go about providing public transportation. In Minneapolis, the LRT down to the MOA was a $1billion project, and people were against it as a boondoggle because it would be possible to purchase a fleet of buses dedicated to that same route, maintain and operate them for far less money than the LRT. Meanwhile the proponents wanted something that could be considered a permanent fixture, that couldn't be toyed with come future legislative sessions. Then the whole issue was ultimately decided because Governor Turnbuckle said on the radio, that I heard live, and I quote, "...and I want 494 to be less congested when I'm driving my Porsche," rendering any actual thoughtful debate on the point utterly and completely moot.
 
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which "party" would that be?

[hint: there is not a political party in the USA today that I currently support; the Democrats expelled me about ten years ago.]

Who was the last Democrat you voted for for president?
 
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which "party" would that be?

[hint: there is not a political party in the USA today that I currently support; the Democrats expelled me about ten years ago.]

Don't you know, if you aren't a part of their exact echo chamber, you're a stupid Republican?
 
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Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer is sexist??

The stop motion cartoon is sexist as hell. I noticed that when I was about 10. Also, Santa is a real pr-ck, and Donner is even worse. Still love it, obviously. I had (OK, have) a thing for Clarice.

Is it "Herbie" or "Hermie"?
 
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The stop motion cartoon is sexist as hell. I noticed that when I was about 10. Also, Santa is a real pr-ck, and Donner is even worse. Still love it, obviously. I had (OK, have) a thing for Clarice.

Is it "Herbie" or "Hermie"?

Hermie

Agreed it is sexist. We still watch it with our 8 year old son, but I think he is getting bored with it. He used to want to watch it multiple times, this year he's seen it once and that seems to be enough.
 
The stop motion cartoon is sexist as hell. I noticed that when I was about 10. Also, Santa is a real pr-ck, and Donner is even worse. Still love it, obviously. I had (OK, have) a thing for Clarice.

Is it "Herbie" or "Hermie"?

Hello Clarise!
 
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