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Pairwise Analysts, Please Come Help Us 2013
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Re: Pairwise Analysts, Please Come Help Us 2013
Bracketology is up. Thing I find interesting about the current rankings is that one of Miami/WMU/Notre Dame would go to Toledo and I like the idea of rewarding the higher seeded team in Notre Dame. You can do that and then also send WMU to Grand Rapids.
That leaves poor Miami in a bracket with BU and BC
Bracketology is up. Thing I find interesting about the current rankings is that one of Miami/WMU/Notre Dame would go to Toledo and I like the idea of rewarding the higher seeded team in Notre Dame. You can do that and then also send WMU to Grand Rapids.
That leaves poor Miami in a bracket with BU and BC
FlagDUDE08
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Maybe they can get revenge from 2009.
Bracketology is up. Thing I find interesting about the current rankings is that one of Miami/WMU/Notre Dame would go to Toledo and I like the idea of rewarding the higher seeded team in Notre Dame. You can do that and then also send WMU to Grand Rapids.
That leaves poor Miami in a bracket with BU and BC
Maybe they can get revenge from 2009.
HoosierBBall_GopherHockey
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Minnesota, WMU, and North Dakota all in the same bracket again, only this time Minnesota plays Lowell instead of BU. Obviously will not end up that way, but interesting, nonetheless.
Bracketology is up. Thing I find interesting about the current rankings is that one of Miami/WMU/Notre Dame would go to Toledo and I like the idea of rewarding the higher seeded team in Notre Dame. You can do that and then also send WMU to Grand Rapids.
That leaves poor Miami in a bracket with BU and BC
Minnesota, WMU, and North Dakota all in the same bracket again, only this time Minnesota plays Lowell instead of BU. Obviously will not end up that way, but interesting, nonetheless.
Fighting Sioux 23
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I really disagree with Moy's brackets this week. He cites "bracket integrity" for not switching Dartmouth and Yale, but freely switches North Dakota and BU setting up potential 4-7 and 2-5 Regional Finals. To me, if you're going to swap BU and North Dakota (which I would), you easily can swap Dartmouth and Yale. It certainly seems that he had some weird sort of agenda in writing that column. A huge F in my book.
Also, his article is littered with errors, including saying Denver has the best Winning Percentage in the WCHA (Minnesota and North Dakota are tied currently). Denver isn't even in the top 3 when it come to winning percentage (T-4th). Well done
Bracketology is up. Thing I find interesting about the current rankings is that one of Miami/WMU/Notre Dame would go to Toledo and I like the idea of rewarding the higher seeded team in Notre Dame. You can do that and then also send WMU to Grand Rapids.
That leaves poor Miami in a bracket with BU and BC
I really disagree with Moy's brackets this week. He cites "bracket integrity" for not switching Dartmouth and Yale, but freely switches North Dakota and BU setting up potential 4-7 and 2-5 Regional Finals. To me, if you're going to swap BU and North Dakota (which I would), you easily can swap Dartmouth and Yale. It certainly seems that he had some weird sort of agenda in writing that column. A huge F in my book.
Also, his article is littered with errors, including saying Denver has the best Winning Percentage in the WCHA (Minnesota and North Dakota are tied currently). Denver isn't even in the top 3 when it come to winning percentage (T-4th). Well done
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Now I feel like I should apologize to Priceless. He always starts that other PWR thread, and gives updates about the current PWR, and what the bracket would look like. I was not intending this thread to steal that away from him, of become the place for commentary about Moy's column.
Sorry Priceless....
Now I feel like I should apologize to Priceless. He always starts that other PWR thread, and gives updates about the current PWR, and what the bracket would look like. I was not intending this thread to steal that away from him, of become the place for commentary about Moy's column.
Sorry Priceless....
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And from however many years against BC...
And from however many years against BC...
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Priceless
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The more conversation the merrier. It doesn't really matter what thread it's in.
The more conversation the merrier. It doesn't really matter what thread it's in.
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Very interesting situation developing at the top of the RPI and PWR charts:
As of 1-18-13 the RPI of #4 BC is .5768
the RPI of #5 Yale is .5573
That is a huge gap of .0195. In fact, go that much further down in RPI and you cover 8 teams. Of course, lots of hockey left to be played, but it may be that the 4 #1 seeds are showing separation to the rest of the crowd already.....
Very interesting situation developing at the top of the RPI and PWR charts:
As of 1-18-13 the RPI of #4 BC is .5768
the RPI of #5 Yale is .5573
That is a huge gap of .0195. In fact, go that much further down in RPI and you cover 8 teams. Of course, lots of hockey left to be played, but it may be that the 4 #1 seeds are showing separation to the rest of the crowd already.....
Re: Pairwise Analysts, Please Come Help Us 2013
Very true. However, BU lost to Northeastern, so their RPI took a big hit. DU lost to SCSU, so RPI and TUC record took a hit, NoDame lost to AlaskaFaribanks, so their RPI took a hit, and North Dakota lost to Minny, so their RPI and TUC records went down. Compared to those, beating Hahvahd (I know it's only Hahvahd ), look good.
Very true. However, BU lost to Northeastern, so their RPI took a big hit. DU lost to SCSU, so RPI and TUC record took a hit, NoDame lost to AlaskaFaribanks, so their RPI took a hit, and North Dakota lost to Minny, so their RPI and TUC records went down. Compared to those, beating Hahvahd (I know it's only Hahvahd
), look good.antioch1098
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Quinnipiac is in sole possession of #1 in the pairwise. 17-3-3 overall, 11-0-1 ECAC, 8-0 against ranked teams. Frozen Four here we come! Go Bobcats!
Quinnipiac is in sole possession of #1 in the pairwise. 17-3-3 overall, 11-0-1 ECAC, 8-0 against ranked teams. Frozen Four here we come! Go Bobcats!
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Looking at Jim's charts on the Sioux blog last week, I took away that BU is going to have a tough time staying in contention, needing to win at least 10 to feel reasonably confident about grabbing the 16 seed. Sure enough, a zero point weekend has taken them from 5th to 13th in the PWR. As a UNH fan, I'm glad to see this.
Continuing to look through Hockey East glasses....
- The folks jockeying for the top seeds (Minn, BC, UNH, Quinn) seem to be rotating among themselves.
- Yale has the 5 spot presently, but a 3-2-3 TUC may drop them down a few slots. Anyone have a hunch as to how far?
- Lowell is tied in the 6 spot, but from where I sit they seem like they will drop substantially, with a 3-6-0 TUC thus far.
- I'm proctoring finals at the moment, so I'm prevented from some deep analysis. Am I safe to say that any real PWR volatility at this point comes from the TUC "coming of age" of a team? Matchups between ranked opponents only seem to move people around a slot or two. Of course, I just gave myself a counterexample from the UNH-BC home and home. The teams split, and seemed to boost each other to 1 and 2 ranks after the weekend. I forget where they moved from, but both were top 5 at that point.
Edit: More on Lowell - UNH swept them in all 3 meetings already this year, and BC took both of their first 2 meetings with one left to play. What will be the stronger effect on Lowell - a potential drop by UNH or BC in rankings, winning their remaining BC matchup, or a strong rest of the season? They did just beat BU, and have 2 more matchups there...
Looking at Jim's charts on the Sioux blog last week, I took away that BU is going to have a tough time staying in contention, needing to win at least 10 to feel reasonably confident about grabbing the 16 seed. Sure enough, a zero point weekend has taken them from 5th to 13th in the PWR. As a UNH fan, I'm glad to see this.
Continuing to look through Hockey East glasses....
- The folks jockeying for the top seeds (Minn, BC, UNH, Quinn) seem to be rotating among themselves.
- Yale has the 5 spot presently, but a 3-2-3 TUC may drop them down a few slots. Anyone have a hunch as to how far?
- Lowell is tied in the 6 spot, but from where I sit they seem like they will drop substantially, with a 3-6-0 TUC thus far.
- I'm proctoring finals at the moment, so I'm prevented from some deep analysis. Am I safe to say that any real PWR volatility at this point comes from the TUC "coming of age" of a team? Matchups between ranked opponents only seem to move people around a slot or two. Of course, I just gave myself a counterexample from the UNH-BC home and home. The teams split, and seemed to boost each other to 1 and 2 ranks after the weekend. I forget where they moved from, but both were top 5 at that point.
Edit: More on Lowell - UNH swept them in all 3 meetings already this year, and BC took both of their first 2 meetings with one left to play. What will be the stronger effect on Lowell - a potential drop by UNH or BC in rankings, winning their remaining BC matchup, or a strong rest of the season? They did just beat BU, and have 2 more matchups there...
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FlagDUDE08
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You also got blown out by the (former) dead last team in the EZAC.
You also got blown out by the (former) dead last team in the EZAC.
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Its easy to discount the Q...but those is some impressive numbers.
Its easy to discount the Q...but those is some impressive numbers.
Ralph Baer
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If RPI gets to be a TUC, it will probably cost Yale some comparisons.
You also got blown out by the (former) dead last team in the EZAC.
If RPI gets to be a TUC, it will probably cost Yale some comparisons.
purpleinnebraska
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And SCSU, as well. Good for the Purple Mavs, though!
And SCSU, as well. Good for the Purple Mavs, though!
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7 of Yale's 28 comparisons are ties broken by RPI. They are losing to UNH and will continue to be losing once TUC comes into play. Niagara and Robert Morris either won't come into play or won't come into play until the very end of the conference tournaments. They are handily winning the TUC comparison against Ferris State. LSSU, SCSU, and NoDak all have records around 0.500, just like Yale, but at this time, if the 10 game requirement was dropped, Yale would be winning all of them.
If Yale starts falling down the ranks, it would be easy to put the blame on their TUC Record, but that would largely be false. If any comparisons are flipped by TUC Record, it will be because Yale performs poorly down the stretch, lowering their RPI, which is a much bigger factor.
Yale is in the 5 spot because of their high RPI. As mentioned earlier, they are going to need to keep winning to keep their RPI high and a large percentage of their remaining games (7 of 11) are against teams that are (currently) TUCs. If Yale is going to stay at the 5 spot or higher, their TUC Record is going to improve.
7 of Yale's 28 comparisons are ties broken by RPI. They are losing to UNH and will continue to be losing once TUC comes into play. Niagara and Robert Morris either won't come into play or won't come into play until the very end of the conference tournaments. They are handily winning the TUC comparison against Ferris State. LSSU, SCSU, and NoDak all have records around 0.500, just like Yale, but at this time, if the 10 game requirement was dropped, Yale would be winning all of them.
If Yale starts falling down the ranks, it would be easy to put the blame on their TUC Record, but that would largely be false. If any comparisons are flipped by TUC Record, it will be because Yale performs poorly down the stretch, lowering their RPI, which is a much bigger factor.
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St. Cloud State is currently 7-7-0 in their TUC Record with none of those games coming against a team with an RPI lower than 0.52. How is adding a team against whom they have a 1-1-0 record going to hurt their TUC?
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Possibly, but the more I look at the PWR, the more interesting it gets. As RPI edges toward TUC status, the Yale loss costs them in TUC, but improves them in RPI (the rating, not the school). Since RPI status is way more important than TUC status, the TUC effect is muted. In addition, while RPI getting in would hurt them, CC getting in would help (though they need to pick things up a bit), and together they'd be a wash. In adddition, HC could drop out which would help. In fact, for Yale, the two upcoming QU games will, I suspect, swamp any TUC effects from teams on the bubble.
Possibly, but the more I look at the PWR, the more interesting it gets. As RPI edges toward TUC status, the Yale loss costs them in TUC, but improves them in RPI (the rating, not the school). Since RPI status is way more important than TUC status, the TUC effect is muted. In addition, while RPI getting in would hurt them, CC getting in would help (though they need to pick things up a bit), and together they'd be a wash. In adddition, HC could drop out which would help. In fact, for Yale, the two upcoming QU games will, I suspect, swamp any TUC effects from teams on the bubble.