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Open Wheel Racing 2021, anyone there to watch?

Money talks, indeed. They bought Jaguar when it was for sale, and Minardi when they were up for sale. Thats something that can’t happen anymore.
 
And why on earth did Jaguar sell? Even if they hemorrhaged money I would think having an F1 team would be an ideal loss leader. Isn't that the Ferrari and Aston Martin model: differentiate yourself in the public mind as the luxury brand because you are associated with F1 racing?
 
Kepler said:
And why on earth did Jaguar sell? Even if they hemorrhaged money I would think having an F1 team would be an ideal loss leader. Isn't that the Ferrari and Aston Martin model: differentiate yourself in the public mind as the luxury brand because you are associated with F1 racing?
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Ford lost a shit ton of money and gained nothing other than making it clear that we had no idea how to run an f1 team. Ford was always better off giving money to cosworth to put the name on their engine.

And really, Aston Martin the brand gains little via F1 since they have so little history in the sport. Ferrari is F1 and F1 is Ferrari. Enzo Ferrari was a dominant player in Grand Prix racing before the company Ferrari existed. Before it was even F1.

While Mercedes and Audi can trace their names farther back- their gap is massive, where Ferraris’ links directly got back to Alfa Romeo before wwii.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
Marko did criticize Hadjar's reaction to crashing out on the formation lap in Australia. Is that what you are referring to? (To be fair, later on in the season, Marko did praise the job Hadjar is doing.) Or, is there another incident where Marko pounced on Hadjar?
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That’s probably it. I can’t find anything else.
 
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Kepler said:
And why on earth did Jaguar sell? Even if they hemorrhaged money I would think having an F1 team would be an ideal loss leader. Isn't that the Ferrari and Aston Martin model: differentiate yourself in the public mind as the luxury brand because you are associated with F1 racing?
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Aston Martin, the car manufacturer, does not own Aston Martin, the F1 team.

Though they are both owned by Lawrence Stroll, they are separate entities with separate boards. There is a longterm sponsorship agreement in which Aston Martin, the car manufacturer, pays Aston Martin, the F1 team, to put their name on the race cars.

As for Jaguar, to add to Mich's response, that was before the cost cap when teams were anything but an investment. So, there was a lot more endless money to lose, which corporate Ford had no desire to do, with no upside in the future.
 
To update on a much earlier conversation. American Jak Crawford by finishing second in F2, now has his super license. So he can now take his role as the Aston Martin reserve driver, replacing Felipe Drugovich, who is going to Formula E full time.
 
So it sounds like push to pass will have the same style of rules as DRS with a one second detection. I saw one post with a diagram said there would still only be able to be used on designated parts of the track, but the write ups that F1 social media put out says it can be used throughout the lap, which seemed to imply anywhere on the track.
 
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So it sounds like push to pass will have the same style of rules as DRS with a one second. I saw one post with a diagram said there would still only be able to be used on designated parts of the track, but the write ups that F1 social media put out says it can be used throughout the lap, which seemed to imply anywhere on the track.
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I think the clarity on this has been like mud.

The most recent thing I read is indeed the one second following rule. As for where on the track, I haven't been able to figure it out either.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
I think the clarity on this has been like mud.

The most recent thing I read is indeed the one second following rule. As for where on the track, I haven't been able to figure it out either.
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I would say the same thing. The Race tied to explain it, but ended that it’s still not settled.
 
This is what Chris Medland wrote on Racer:

The active aerodynamics are perhaps the biggest change from a car perspective, with two separate modes simply called "Straight Mode" and "Corner Mode."

Corner Mode is effectively the car in its normal, full-downforce state, allowing maximum performance from the aerodynamics through corners.

In Straight Mode, the front and rear wing flaps open up to reduce drag, providing an increase in top speed for less energy. This configuration is only available to cars in designated areas on each circuit, that will be defined by straights with a minimum length.

So, for Straight Mode, it will be similar to DRS zones.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
Aston Martin, the car manufacturer, does not own Aston Martin, the F1 team.

Though they are both owned by Lawrence Stroll, they are separate entities with separate boards. There is a longterm sponsorship agreement in which Aston Martin, the car manufacturer, pays Aston Martin, the F1 team, to put their name on the race cars.
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I kinda assumed that was the way it was with all the teams, just because large companies are always playing with multiple shells to sleaze out of taxes and liability. Does Mercedes the car company = Mercedes F1?

I'm probably not speaking clearly because I don't see that as impacting the marketing angle. Even with Ford and Chevy and stock car racing nobody actually believes you can buy the vroom vroom used in the TV race when you go down to your local criminal syndicate dealership. But the BIRG still works its NASCAR magic.
 
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Kepler said:
I kinda assumed that was the way it was with all the teams, just because large companies are always playing with multiple shells to sleaze out of taxes and liability. Does Mercedes the car company = Mercedes F1?

I'm probably not speaking clearly because I don't see that as impacting the marketing angle. Even with Ford and Chevy and stock car racing nobody actually believes you can buy the vroom vroom used in the TV race when you go down to your local criminal syndicate dealership. But the BIRG still works its NASCAR magic.
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Shell companies or not, Aston Martin the car company has nothing to do with Aston Martin the F1 team.

Mercedes F1 is 1/3 owned by Mercedes the car company, 1/3 owned by a main sponsor, Ineos, and 1/3 owned by Toto Wolff.

Ferrari F1 of course is 100% owned by Ferrari the car company (which itself is owned by FIAT).

GM does not own a single share of the new Cadillac F1 team; it's a sponsorship deal and supposedly one day an engine deal.

McLaren I've lost track of. I believe the McLaren car company has been separated from the McLaren F1 team, and there is no longer a business relationship there. But I may not be 100% correct on that.

Sauber, now Audi, is majority (I don't know how much, maybe even 100%), by the VW Group under the Audi division.

Alpine F1 majority owner is Renault the car company (who uses the name Alpine on the racing cars for marketing reasons, like GM using Cadillac as their name) and thus has the final decision making power, but they also have a lot of other minor (and not so minor) investors. Renault is majority owned by the French government.

The other teams are what could be phrased as independents, or using your NASCAR example.
 
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