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Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!
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Re: Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!
Strong rumors is that he is going to drive stock car in Brazil. I guess he had been offered a "lot" of money to do so. Where is Indycar he would have to pay to drive (just like he did this past season).
Strong rumors is that he is going to drive stock car in Brazil. I guess he had been offered a "lot" of money to do so. Where is Indycar he would have to pay to drive (just like he did this past season).
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!
Pay to drive just sucks, but it's a way of life now for some of the weaker teams.
Pay to drive just sucks, but it's a way of life now for some of the weaker teams.
solovsfett
Registered User
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!
so Ruebens is out but...Conor Daly *might* be in if Foyt can find the funding, and Tristan Vautier as well if Sam Schmidt can find the funding. either or both of these young drivers making the show will really soften the blow of losing Ruebens I think. both young guys with a ton of talent.
now if only Ganassi would steer Kyle Larson back to open wheel
side note - Randy Bernard did so many good things for this series and encouraging USAC (brian Clauson) guys to once again consider Indycar was one of the very best decisions he made.
this belskus (sp?) guy is dumber than paint...already the rumors are swirling, barfield is out barnhardt is back...that would be truly unforgiveable
so Ruebens is out but...Conor Daly *might* be in if Foyt can find the funding, and Tristan Vautier as well if Sam Schmidt can find the funding. either or both of these young drivers making the show will really soften the blow of losing Ruebens I think. both young guys with a ton of talent.
now if only Ganassi would steer Kyle Larson back to open wheel
side note - Randy Bernard did so many good things for this series and encouraging USAC (brian Clauson) guys to once again consider Indycar was one of the very best decisions he made.
this belskus (sp?) guy is dumber than paint...already the rumors are swirling, barfield is out barnhardt is back...that would be truly unforgiveable
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!
I think Daly would be a good addition to the series, but I have to wonder why he's thinking of making the move. It seemed like he was on his way moving up the ranks in the F1 world. I wonder if the allure of Indy was it or if money was it?
If Barnhardt is back then I am completely done with Indycar. I will not watch a series in which race control puts itself above driver safety. Period.
I think Daly would be a good addition to the series, but I have to wonder why he's thinking of making the move. It seemed like he was on his way moving up the ranks in the F1 world. I wonder if the allure of Indy was it or if money was it?
If Barnhardt is back then I am completely done with Indycar. I will not watch a series in which race control puts itself above driver safety. Period.
solovsfett
Registered User
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!
$ for Daly but not he's changed his mind as an avenue opened up for Formula Renault for 2013. He *might* be angling for a Foyt ride for 2014, but I think that's if a path to F1 isn't opened by his performances this upcoming season.
I hope Daly comes to race Indycar (that is, if Indycar can begin to operate with some semblance of a plan with intelligence behind it: raise the HP, hire the press guy back (shunck?), no chase, no barnhart, no TG, angle to breaking the tv contract in favor of a national network or ESPN, offer an INDY 500 ride for the top 2 USAC guys annually, and fully funded, get rid of the ****ing fenders, etc)
other notes: I really want to go to F1 Austin - anyone in this thread or lurking here go? do you have recommendations on where to sit in terms of seeing the largest portion of the track, or where you could potentially see more than one passing zone?
another note...I just saw this quote on speed in the mailbag: (I knew that Ayrton Senna had tested an Indycar for Penske in 1992 and heard rumors that he was set to run INDY in 1994 w/Penske in a secret deal, but to read this (if in fact this is attributable to Ayrton) makes me really sad that he didn't take the opportunity in 1992) "Ayrton Senna after his first IndyCar test, 1992: "[The Indy car is] more drivable. In a way it’s more for the driver, which is great. … I had to get used to driving with a gear lever again, to a clutch pedal, to the turbo engine, and to the brakes, which are completely different from those in F1, not being carbon brakes.
"The Penske reminded me of the old days in Formula 1 where human side was the most important thing. Today Formula 1 is so sophisticated that the computers do most of the driving for you. If you have a clever computer, you are in good shape; if you have a monkey one, you’re in trouble, you know? What I experienced with the Indy car was that human input has a tremendous value—and I really got excited about it.
“It’s a funny feeling for me, after so many years of driving in Formula 1, to have those feelings like you are very young, much younger than you are, which is great. For the first time in some time, racing was fun again. It was a tremendous challenge, but I think it has rejuvenated me.”
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$ for Daly but not he's changed his mind as an avenue opened up for Formula Renault for 2013. He *might* be angling for a Foyt ride for 2014, but I think that's if a path to F1 isn't opened by his performances this upcoming season.
I hope Daly comes to race Indycar (that is, if Indycar can begin to operate with some semblance of a plan with intelligence behind it: raise the HP, hire the press guy back (shunck?), no chase, no barnhart, no TG, angle to breaking the tv contract in favor of a national network or ESPN, offer an INDY 500 ride for the top 2 USAC guys annually, and fully funded, get rid of the ****ing fenders, etc)
other notes: I really want to go to F1 Austin - anyone in this thread or lurking here go? do you have recommendations on where to sit in terms of seeing the largest portion of the track, or where you could potentially see more than one passing zone?
another note...I just saw this quote on speed in the mailbag: (I knew that Ayrton Senna had tested an Indycar for Penske in 1992 and heard rumors that he was set to run INDY in 1994 w/Penske in a secret deal, but to read this (if in fact this is attributable to Ayrton) makes me really sad that he didn't take the opportunity in 1992) "Ayrton Senna after his first IndyCar test, 1992: "[The Indy car is] more drivable. In a way it’s more for the driver, which is great. … I had to get used to driving with a gear lever again, to a clutch pedal, to the turbo engine, and to the brakes, which are completely different from those in F1, not being carbon brakes.
"The Penske reminded me of the old days in Formula 1 where human side was the most important thing. Today Formula 1 is so sophisticated that the computers do most of the driving for you. If you have a clever computer, you are in good shape; if you have a monkey one, you’re in trouble, you know? What I experienced with the Indy car was that human input has a tremendous value—and I really got excited about it.
“It’s a funny feeling for me, after so many years of driving in Formula 1, to have those feelings like you are very young, much younger than you are, which is great. For the first time in some time, racing was fun again. It was a tremendous challenge, but I think it has rejuvenated me.”
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manurespreader
Still upright
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!
Some years ago a friend of mine had a daughter who was very quiet. I only knew her as this slightly ungainly and totally uninteresting 16 year old. Now she dates one of the F1 drivers. Talk about being in the middle of the circus.! You can imagine what she looks like these days.
Some years ago a friend of mine had a daughter who was very quiet. I only knew her as this slightly ungainly and totally uninteresting 16 year old. Now she dates one of the F1 drivers. Talk about being in the middle of the circus.! You can imagine what she looks like these days.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!
My sons got a PS3 for Christmas and the oldest when out and bought the F1 2012 PS3 game. I was lapping around Monza last night, pretty cool. I need to learn to use the brakes more and get through the 2 chicanes better. I forget what my best lap time was, not so good. My son had a 2 hr lead on me in terms of seat time and was about 10 seconds per lap faster on average when we raced head to head. A guy can burn through 2 hrs of evening time like that playing/watching.
My sons got a PS3 for Christmas and the oldest when out and bought the F1 2012 PS3 game. I was lapping around Monza last night, pretty cool. I need to learn to use the brakes more and get through the 2 chicanes better. I forget what my best lap time was, not so good. My son had a 2 hr lead on me in terms of seat time and was about 10 seconds per lap faster on average when we raced head to head. A guy can burn through 2 hrs of evening time like that playing/watching.
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!
Exactly. A quick comparison of their first 39 races (Pastor's career so far) is:
Schumi:
6 retirements directly attributed to accidents/collisions/spins/etc.
3 wins
15 podiums
Pastor:
6 retirements directly attributed to accidents/collisions/spins/etc.
1 win
0 podium
Exactly. A quick comparison of their first 39 races (Pastor's career so far) is:
Schumi:
6 retirements directly attributed to accidents/collisions/spins/etc.
3 wins
15 podiums
Pastor:
6 retirements directly attributed to accidents/collisions/spins/etc.
1 win
0 podium
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!
Take out a loan.
I went. It was great. It cost a fortune...
I got my seat off of StubHub in the premium Turn 15 Grandstands. You can see a lot, and I was surprised how much passing action took place in front of me. Turn 12 grandstands, where my friends already had tickets (before I decided to go) are great also if you aren't sitting too far down where you end up staring at the escape road, like my friends suffered.
The real reason Senna did that test was a negotiating ploy against F1 (can't remember if it was Williams or McLaren at the time), right down to the favorable quotes he gave. He had no real intention of ever running Indy car. He often said he considered the Indy 500 way too dangerous.
Take out a loan.
I went. It was great. It cost a fortune...
I got my seat off of StubHub in the premium Turn 15 Grandstands. You can see a lot, and I was surprised how much passing action took place in front of me. Turn 12 grandstands, where my friends already had tickets (before I decided to go) are great also if you aren't sitting too far down where you end up staring at the escape road, like my friends suffered.
The real reason Senna did that test was a negotiating ploy against F1 (can't remember if it was Williams or McLaren at the time), right down to the favorable quotes he gave. He had no real intention of ever running Indy car. He often said he considered the Indy 500 way too dangerous.
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!
It was McLaren. He only ran three races for Williams. All in 1994.
It was McLaren. He only ran three races for Williams. All in 1994.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!
I think you guys will like this. A lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t3CkOlf-aMo
Very cool.
I think you guys will like this. A lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t3CkOlf-aMo
Very cool.
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!
You know guys like that just had a different brain than most of us. I had the chance to dice with Bill Scott some years ago in a Formula Ford and though I could keep up with him for a while he had so much focus and I didn't, that he eventually just pulled away. I just could not go full speed thru every corner, every time, like he could. It's a humbling experience.
You know guys like that just had a different brain than most of us. I had the chance to dice with Bill Scott some years ago in a Formula Ford and though I could keep up with him for a while he had so much focus and I didn't, that he eventually just pulled away. I just could not go full speed thru every corner, every time, like he could. It's a humbling experience.
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!
It's not just focus, it's precision, the ability to hit the same mark every single lap. I figure that where I might miss by ten or twenty feet, they miss by one or two.
It's not just focus, it's precision, the ability to hit the same mark every single lap. I figure that where I might miss by ten or twenty feet, they miss by one or two.