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Ohio State Buckeyes 2018-19

Re: Ohio State Buckeyes 2018-19

A few thoughts from Duluth this weekend:

1) UMD is a very talented team. Ohio State was not at their best, and as others have pointed out, Jincy Dunne was nowhere to be seen, but it wasn't a case of the Buckeyes taking the weekend off. The Bulldogs played some really good hockey, getting timely scoring and converting power play chances with regularity. Rogge and Brodt were particularly impressive. On top of it all, Rooney played up to her full capability, making a number of ridiculous saves that do not belie her international pedigree. Duluth's win-loss record is not very good, but when you look at their strength of schedule, it's pretty clear they can skate with the best teams in the country.

2) The OSU forward lines did not seem to have any chemistry this weekend. There were a number of times that someone would make a backdoor feed or get a rebound chance and nobody was home. Even when the Buckeyes seemed to finally have the momentum (and there were definitely times the Bulldogs were on their heels), they struggled to cash in on their chances, unlike UMD who seemed to score on all of their A grade chances. The OSU lineup was different on Friday and Saturday, and I think the lines were getting shuffled quite a bit during the game. It didn't appear anybody was hurt, but the top 2 lines were definitely looking tired toward the end of the 2nd game. It'll be interesting to see if they are more in sync next weekend when the Gophers fly out to Columbus.

3) I have to wonder if the coaches are struggling to get through to the team. The things Muzerall emphasizes in her interviews seem to be the exact things the team struggles with. For example, she talks about the importance of staying out of the box, and then the team goes out on Friday and takes 3 penalties in the 1st period, giving up 2 power play goals. At the end of the day, the players have to go out and execute in the games, but it seems like however the coaching staff is communicating with the girls, they are not responding the way one would hope.

It was definitely not the results that Buckeye fans were hoping for this weekend, but the good news for Ohio State is that all of their goals are still in front of them. Strong showings against Minnesota and Wisconsin will go a long ways in the PairWise, and the conference tournament is always an opportunity to improves one's national standing.
 
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4) I also believe your team is not as effective on larger ice surfaces. You seem to have a distinct advantage when you play at home on your smaller pad with your in your face style of play.
 
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3) I have to wonder if the coaches are struggling to get through to the team. The things Muzerall emphasizes in her interviews seem to be the exact things the team struggles with. For example, she talks about the importance of staying out of the box, and then the team goes out on Friday and takes 3 penalties in the 1st period, giving up 2 power play goals. At the end of the day, the players have to go out and execute in the games, but it seems like however the coaching staff is communicating with the girls, they are not responding the way one would hope.

It was definitely not the results that Buckeye fans were hoping for this weekend, but the good news for Ohio State is that all of their goals are still in front of them. Strong showings against Minnesota and Wisconsin will go a long ways in the PairWise, and the conference tournament is always an opportunity to improves one's national standing.

I think Coach Muzerall and her staff are doing a great job with this program, and getting to the Frozen Four in her second season at the helm was way beyond my expectations last season. I am still trusting the process here, obviously, as we are still in the hunt for those goals you mentioned. However, I think you bring up an excellent point about the coaching staff's messages not getting through because this team, despite being nearly unbeatable at home (10-2), is only 5-7 on the road, and five of those seven losses were to unranked teams. Whatever is being done with the road trips, it's not working, and it is starting to become the definition of insanity ... doing the same things over and over again, but expecting different results. Another thing I have been wondering about, and coach talks about the players taking ownership of this, is if there has been a players-only meeting yet. Last year it was well known that after an inexcusable 5-1 home loss to Penn State, there was a players-only meeting, and the team started rolling after that. I have not heard of any such meeting this season, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I agree with you, though, that the coaches can talk until they are blue in the face, but the players have to go out and execute, and on the road, this team does not execute what the coaches are communicating to them.

I had one friend, and I mentioned it in an earlier post, who told me we were not as good as last year's team, and that I needed to temper my expectations. I am not ready to temper my expectations yet, and I am sure the team has not changed their goals. As you said, all of their goals are still in front of them, and they are still setting in 6th place in the PairWise. If they can figure things out and start playing like we all know they can, they can move back into the top four in the PairWise and get a home game in the NCAA Quarterfinal.
 
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4) I also believe your team is not as effective on larger ice surfaces. You seem to have a distinct advantage when you play at home on your smaller pad with your in your face style of play.

OSU Ice Rink's dimensions are 200' x 85', and has been since it was renovated in the late 90's, so not sure what you mean by "smaller pad." You're right about us having a distinct advantage at home, but it has nothing to do with the size of the ice surface as it's the same size as everyone else's.
 
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Or everyone else’s are wrong. Maybe it’s the smaller building but the ice surface sure looks smaller.
 
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OSU Ice Rink's dimensions are 200' x 85', and has been since it was renovated in the late 90's, so not sure what you mean by "smaller pad." You're right about us having a distinct advantage at home, but it has nothing to do with the size of the ice surface as it's the same size as everyone else's.

Mark Johnson again in his weekly presser last week talked about how the small rink is a pain to play in.
 
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Wisconsin's in LaBahn is 200 x 90 (and the Kohl Center is 97'); St Cloud is 100'.

Yeah, if LaBahn is 200' x 90', that would explain why Johnson always says our 200' x 85' regulation size sheet is "small." I had forgotten that St. Cloud had an Olympic size sheet like Minnesota does at Mariucci.
 
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Or everyone else’s are wrong. Maybe it’s the smaller building but the ice surface sure looks smaller.

Could be the smaller building or the low ceiling, but the surface is regulation (200' x 85') and has been for 20 or so years since the renovations.
 
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In other news, now that all the scores are in, Ohio State has dropped to 7th in the PairWise. It will be interesting to see how the team responds this weekend against Minnesota now that they have no margin for error whatsoever. It's basically win or set home and watch eight other teams play for a title now. We'll see what happens.
 
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It was almost comical the fact that he brought it up after the series again. It's not THAT different unless the corners are shaped weird.
Could it be something like the old Boston Gardens where essentially there were no "corners"? (although in addition the dimensions on that ice surface were something less than 200 x 85, so it was even more noticeably smaller).
 
It was almost comical the fact that he brought it up after the series again. It's not THAT different unless the corners are shaped weird.

It's hard to say. It doesn't seem like the corners are shaped weird, but maybe they are somehow a little tighter than other rinks, despite the dimensions.
 
Could it be something like the old Boston Gardens where essentially there were no "corners"? (although in addition the dimensions on that ice surface were something less than 200 x 85, so it was even more noticeably smaller).

One of these days, I am going to get out my tape measure like Coach Norman Dale in 'Hoosiers'. 😃
 
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These are the rink dimensions according to each of the WCHA school's official websites:

Bemidji State / Sanford Center / 200'x85'
Minnesota / Ridder Arena / 200'x85'
Minnesota Duluth / AMSOIL Arena / 200'x85'
Minnesota State, Mankato / Verizon Center / 200'x90'
Ohio State / OSU Ice Rink / 200'x85'
St. Cloud State / Herb Brooks National Hockey Center / 200'x100'
Wisconsin / LaBahn Arena / 200'x90'
 
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These are the rink dimensions according to each of the WCHA school's official websites:

Bemidji State / Sanford Center / 200'x85'
Minnesota / Ridder Arena / 200'x85'
Minnesota Duluth / AMSOIL Arena / 200'x85'
Minnesota State, Mankato / Verizon Center / 200'x90'
Ohio State / OSU Ice Rink / 200'x85'*
St. Cloud State / Herb Brooks National Hockey Center / 200'x100'
Wisconsin / LaBahn Arena / 200'x90'

*To be verified with tape measure by osualum86. ;)
 
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Interestingly, if you go to the NCAA rule book for hockey (https://www.ncaa.org/playing-rules/ice-hockey-rules-game), there seems to be a lot of room for interpretation when it comes to the rink layout. There are a lot of phrases like "as nearly as possible" and "should be" that allow for numerous exceptions to the recommended dimensions. I have no idea if any of these apply to the OSU rink, but these are a couple things that jumped out at me as things that could cause one rink to play differently than another ice sheet with the same dimensions:

Rule 1.2) "The corners should be rounded in the arc of a circle with a radius of 20 feet."
Rule 1.4) "A red line 2 inches wide, and a maximum of 15 feet and a minimum of 10 feet from each end of the rink (11 feet is preferred), shall be drawn completely across the width of the ice".
Rule 1.4 continued) "The ice area between the two goals shall be divided into three parts by lines 12 inches in width and blue in color, drawn at least 60 feet out from the goal lines, extending completely across the rink parallel with the goal lines... It is preferred that the offensive zone be 64 feet when possible."

Again, I know nothing about the OSU rink layout than what the official website says, but if the boards are rounded differently, or the goal lines or blue lines are located in unusual locations, it would make sense that teams might feel like they are playing on a smaller rink, even if the overall dimensions are 200'x85'.
 
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You can 'eyeball' the width of a rink pretty easily by looking at the little lines to outside of the faceoff circles and how close they are to the boards. On an 85' rink, the end of those lines is about three and a half feet from the board. If it is a 90' rink, the end of those lines will be six feet from the boards, and so on.

What I am not good at 'eyeballing' is whether or not the goals are 'too near' or 'too far' from the end boards. But my eyeballs tell me rinks vary some in that regard. As has been mentioned, that can vary from 10' to 15', with 11' being the 'standard'. Of course, if the rink is a true 200', then more space behind the net means a smaller center ice, and vice versa.

(And the whole discussion reminds me of something a co-worker used to say about 'standards': the nice thing about standards is there are so many to choose from.)
 
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But my eyeballs tell me rinks vary some in that regard.
I think my eyeballs lie to me at times. For example, AMSOIL always seems narrower than other 85' rinks to me. It must just be the angle to the plane of the ice surface that I'm viewing, but it appears that there's less room compared to somewhere like Ridder or Sanford Center.

I like the standards saying.
 
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