Officiating up to your expectations in NCAA tournament?

[kdilks]

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Scratch what I said about there not being anything.

c. A player, including the goalkeeper, shall not delay the game by
deliberately displacing a goal post from its normal position. The referee
shall stop play when a goal post has been displaced.
Note: If the non-offending team has an offensive opportunity and its defensive
goal cage has been displaced, play shall be allowed to continue until the
scoring chance is complete.

 

[UMD21]

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Leaping into the air looks a lot more vicious than it really is. If the player receiving the hit has their skates firmly planted onto the ice, they are even more capable of delivering a devastating hit to the hitter. And if you take an additional stride or have your skates firmly planted into the ice when delivering a hit, it's a two minute charging penalty. Yet, if you leave your skates and are more susceptible to taking a hit, you get a five minute major? I'm sorry, but I fail to see the logic behind that one.
Hockey players have a helmet and gloves, don't even try to argue that their hit to the head delivers more impact than what a boxer endures through nine rounds... If a players head gets stapled to the glass, then yes, that's an issue. But seriously...Go gophers (sometimes), but I was not in favor of that call at all. Double major at worst, but a five minute major is such an extreme penalty for such a situation.

 

[Caustic Undertow]

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I was shocked by how bad the officiating was at the Michigan-Cornell game, and I expected bad. At one point late in the second I just leaned to my wife and said, "I don't even know what's going on anymore." And I really didn't. The whole crowd turned on them simultaneously at points.

I get it, reffing is a really hard job. But this is ridiculous.

 

[HockeyMan2000]

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Scratch what I said about there not being anything.

c. A player, including the goalkeeper, shall not delay the game by
deliberately displacing a goal post from its normal position. The referee
shall stop play when a goal post has been displaced.
Note: If the non-offending team has an offensive opportunity and its defensive
goal cage has been displaced, play shall be allowed to continue until the
scoring chance is complete.

That "offensive opportunity" is probably a bit of a grey area seeing as they held the puck in their own zone. I've seen them allow teams to keep playing with possession at center ice or certainly in the other end of the ice, but it was in their own end. I know for sure I've seen plays whistled down in the past like that. Either way, it didn't play a factor in the outcome as it turned out

 

[hanasoni]

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Haha, no. They have been atrocious. It's pretty disgusting.

What about the off-sides on Union when they scored their empty net goal. The linesmann was in position and yet, no whistle???? 3-2 is a lot easier to over come than 4-2.

 

[Happy]

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Leaping into the air looks a lot more vicious than it really is. If the player receiving the hit has their skates firmly planted onto the ice, they are even more capable of delivering a devastating hit to the hitter. And if you take an additional stride or have your skates firmly planted into the ice when delivering a hit, it's a two minute charging penalty. Yet, if you leave your skates and are more susceptible to taking a hit, you get a five minute major? I'm sorry, but I fail to see the logic behind that one.
Hockey players have a helmet and gloves, don't even try to argue that their hit to the head delivers more impact than what a boxer endures through nine rounds... If a players head gets stapled to the glass, then yes, that's an issue. But seriously...Go gophers (sometimes), but I was not in favor of that call at all. Double major at worst, but a five minute major is such an extreme penalty for such a situation.

so, a player has to get a concusion and be knocked out for a hit to the head to count in your world.

 

[PKN]

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so, a player has to get a concusion and be knocked out for a hit to the head to count in your world.

Unless it is an extremely egregious "targeted" hit to the head, like an attempt to injure, it should be a 2 minute for elbowing. That call in the UM-BU game was ridiculous. I mean isn't that what an elbowing penalty is - contact to the head.

 

[bigeasy29]

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i'm going to give the Officiating D+ so far in NCAAs.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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The officiating was simply atrocious this weekend (and it's not even over yet). In addition to some of the calls BU didn't get, three calls (so far) have stuck out:

-Union's empty net goal against UML was scored with one of their players off-side by nearly 10 feet. Reviewed and it stands.
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You can dump the puck into the attack zone even when you have a player offside. Play continues. I believe the Union skater had re-established himself onside before the puck crossed over the goal line, which is what I think is necessary for the goal to count.

As far as the goal in the UMD/Maine game where the net was displaced, they got that one right too. The note to Rule 6, section 10, subsection C covers this. Maine was in control of the puck when the net came off after the UMD guy ran into it. Play specifically is allowed to continue until the scoring chance is complete. It doesn't matter at all where the play starts. It only matters who is in control of the puck. Maine never lost control of the puck and their scoring opportunity was allowed to continue.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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My expectations, like most or us I'm sure, are fairly low. I can either get what I expect or be pleasantly surprised.

My biggest gripe, and it is becoming all too rampant in all sports, is the endless need to check the video replay. For the most part, these are calls that 4 experienced refs should be able to confirm in seconds with a few sentences of discussion. By the letter of the rules they got the reviewed goals correct in all occasions, but only the MSU goal against Union really needed a video review to determine that the net was not flat against the ice -- and the rule is that strict -- and that could likely be missed in live action.

But needing endless discussion about every goal, reviews on goals in just about every game, and having to spend too much time explaining every call to both coaches, all of that crap has got to go. Just like I never said to myself "boy I sure do wish we had a shootout instead of a tied game" I do not recall saying to myself "if we just had video replay and 10 board meetings a game among the four zebras we'd get only correct calls." A generation of officials brought up with the notion of video replay has only given us worse officials. These guys are going to screw up calls. We don't need momentum killing delays to go along with the screw ups.

 

[FiveHole12]

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I have no complaints with the officiating at either game in Worcester on Saturday. Thought the refs in each game did a very good job.

The guy behind us on the other hand... he complained all night about icing, the net thing, any call made against UMD. Of course, he was a UNH fan, so the rules of the game are whatever he makes up in his head.

 

[DtownDogs]

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The ref would be pretty bad if he reviewed the video and thought the net was still on its moorings. Surely, you agree with that.

This really did make me lol.

 

[Patman]

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I have less of a problem with the offsides (because I didn't see it and we weren't exactly doing great) than I did with the blatant miss of a too many men call. Guy jumps on the ice and plays the puck IMMEDIATELY... isn't that like automatic?!?!

 

[leswp1]

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so, a player has to get a concusion and be knocked out for a hit to the head to count in your world.

The comment of having gloves and a helmet is weird. Concussions can occur without a blow to the head if it snaps hard enough. The head doesn't need to be smashed into the glass to cause an injury that can be devastating (medical person in me coming out). Concussions can be life altering beyond what being able to play. I love hockey but I can't blatantly disregard the fact that the players are people and what happens to them is not just about whether someone calls a penalty. They make those rules for a reason (even if they don't call it like it is written.) Maybe I don't have enough testosterone to ignore it?

I have less of a problem with the offsides (because I didn't see it and we weren't exactly doing great) than I did with the blatant miss of a too many men call. Guy jumps on the ice and plays the puck IMMEDIATELY... isn't that like automatic?!?!

This. The bench was half empty.

The inconsistancy is what is driving me crazy. The hit that leaves a guy on the ice with the trainer having to leave the bench is a 2 and the hit that the guy skates out of is a 5.

 

[Netman]

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I have no complaints with the officiating at either game in Worcester on Saturday. Thought the refs in each game did a very good job.

The guy behind us on the other hand... he complained all night about icing, the net thing, any call made against UMD. Of course, he was a UNH fan, so the rules of the game are whatever he makes up in his head.

 

[Netman]

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On the offside, the linesman signaled offside.

 

[billmich88888]

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Then yanked his arm down

 

[DLG]

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He took his arm down when the player cleared the zone--I think it was after the puck entered the zone but before it went into net
Does that make it a good goal?

 

[Steve_MN]

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They are up to my expectations, but mine are pretty low.

Expectations?? Yes

I set the bar extremely low....

Pretty much the same for me. Not only some ugly missed calls, but the calls that have been made (across the board in every game I've watched so far) have been SO tight with tons of ticky-tack calls all over the place.

But, this DOES meet my expectations, because this is what I figured would happen.

 

[flyund]

You can dump the puck into the attack zone even when you have a player offside. Play continues. I believe the Union skater had re-established himself onside before the puck crossed over the goal line, which is what I think is necessary for the goal to count.

As far as the goal in the UMD/Maine game where the net was displaced, they got that one right too. The note to Rule 6, section 10, subsection C
covers this. Maine was in control of the puck when the net came off after the UMD guy ran into it. Play specifically is allowed to continue until the scoring chance is complete. It doesn't matter at all where the play starts. It only matters who is in control of the puck. Maine never lost control of the puck and their scoring opportunity was allowed to continue.

The act of dumping the puck in with a player off sides nullifies a goal. And the play is to be whistled for an intentional offsides and a face off in the offending teams end zone no closer to the goal then the side of the ice the puck was shot from