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Officiating up to your expectations in NCAA tournament?

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UMD21

I got the juice
UMD hasn't even played yet, so I speak with what I would think is complete neutrality.
We saw officiating end AF's chances of an exciting comeback with a few minutes left in the third (perhaps the referee was gassed and couldn't handle a possible OT?). Then I tuned into the UM-BU game in which I'll say I was/am hoping for a Gopher win, but after seeing the calls BU has received, I can't but help hope for a comeback for the sake of the Terriers.

It's one thing to try to call a tough game in the regular season with likely four games played between the teams over the season. But at the end of the season, with one penalty being the difference between the end of the season or a national championship? Seriously, pocket the whistle!

Maybe I didn't see right, but a 5 minute major for a very weak "hit to the head"--these referees need their power kept in check. Disgusting.
 
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Haha, no.

They have been atrocious. It's pretty disgusting.
 
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The # of 5 minute majors is surprising to me. I'm honestly not paying enough attention outside of my team's game to know whether they're all warranted.
 
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UMD21 said:
UMD hasn't even played yet, so I speak with what I would think is complete neutrality.
We saw officiating end AF's chances of an exciting comeback with a few minutes left in the third (perhaps the referee was gassed and couldn't handle a possible OT?). Then I tuned into the UM-BU game in which I'll say I was/am hoping for a Gopher win, but after seeing the calls BU has received, I can't but help hope for a comeback for the sake of the Terriers.

It's one thing to try to call a tough game in the regular season with likely four games played between the teams over the season. But at the end of the season, with one penalty being the difference between the end of the season or a national championship? Seriously, pocket the whistle!

Maybe I didn't see right, but a 5 minute major for a very weak "hit to the head"--these referees need their power kept in check. Disgusting.
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So, leaving your skates, and hitting a player in the head is ok?
 
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Yes indeed it is the ccha ref Dim-Wit wilkins that made the call on AF. Every year one of them sad sacks make a stupid call, last year i think it was a 5 minute major game on yale's O'neal.
 
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UMD21 said:
UMD hasn't even played yet, so I speak with what I would think is complete neutrality.
We saw officiating end AF's chances of an exciting comeback with a few minutes left in the third (perhaps the referee was gassed and couldn't handle a possible OT?). Then I tuned into the UM-BU game in which I'll say I was/am hoping for a Gopher win, but after seeing the calls BU has received, I can't but help hope for a comeback for the sake of the Terriers.

It's one thing to try to call a tough game in the regular season with likely four games played between the teams over the season. But at the end of the season, with one penalty being the difference between the end of the season or a national championship? Seriously, pocket the whistle!

Maybe I didn't see right, but a 5 minute major for a very weak "hit to the head"--these referees need their power kept in check. Disgusting.
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As a quasi neutral observer I have to agree. Atrocious. Also the announcers are so pro UM it is sickening. UM so great and every player is such a hero blah blah blah blah.......JC!!!
 
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GreenCat said:
As a quasi neutral observer I have to agree. Atrocious. Also the announcers are so pro UM it is sickening. UM so great and every player is such a hero blah blah blah blah.......JC!!!
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Also the Michigan Cornell game had suspect calls all over the place but not quite as biased as the UM/BU game. At least in that game they were bad for both teams and not so one sided.
 
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The officiating was simply atrocious this weekend (and it's not even over yet). In addition to some of the calls BU didn't get, three calls (so far) have stuck out:

-Union's empty net goal against UML was scored with one of their players off-side by nearly 10 feet. Reviewed and it stands.
-Maine scores a goal vs. Duluth with the net at the far end completely off its moorings and almost every player from both teams standing around as the Black Bears move it up the ice. Reviewed and it stands.
-On Friday, Michigan St. scores what appears to be a goal but because a Union player bumps up against his net (but doesn't dislodge it!) the goal is waived off. Reviewed and it stands.

To think they have replay and it's not a help to them makes it even worse.
 
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Maine's second goal they made the correct call. Caleb Herbert for UMD took the Maine net all by himself. Maine had and kept possession throughout that play. The Bulldogs players shouldn't have stopped skating.
 
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Dirty said:
Maine's second goal they made the correct call. Caleb Herbert for UMD took the Maine net all by himself. Maine had and kept possession throughout that play. The Bulldogs players shouldn't have stopped skating.
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Half of the Maine team also stopped skating. If you see the replay most of them are also standing around.

I don't have a rulebook around so you may be right that it's the right call, but I find it ridiculous they disallow a goal in the Union-Michigan St. game where the net wasn't even dislodged, and yet here's a net fully dislodged to the point where 90% of the players stopped skating, and the goal is counted.

Either way, something doesn't check out fully there, and they have the benefit of replay at their disposal, making it inexcusable.
 
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Dirty said:
Maine's second goal they made the correct call. Caleb Herbert for UMD took the Maine net all by himself. Maine had and kept possession throughout that play. The Bulldogs players shouldn't have stopped skating.
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The ref would be pretty bad if he reviewed the video and thought the net was still on its moorings. Surely, you agree with that.
 
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GreenCat said:
but not quite as biased as the UM/BU game.
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Please. BU had plenty of opportunities with the man advantage, and many of those were of the iffy variety. Both squads had plenty of reason to ***** about how the game was called (so many ticky-tack calls that there was little to no flow whatsoever).
 
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Yes, but that really didn't matter given Maine scored on the play. Without the whistle being blown there was no reason to stop skating. UMD players assumed the play was dead despite there not being a whistle. The refs have made some pretty major mistakes so far but that play was not one of them.
 
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Dirty said:
Yes, but that really didn't matter given Maine scored on the play. Without the whistle being blown there was no reason to stop skating
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A net being totally off its moorings, with the play going on a few feet in front of it, isn't a good enough reason? I can see if the play was down at the other end, they'd let it go, but it's happening right in front of them, in the Maine zone. And again, most of the Maine players also gave up on the play. When the puck got out to center ice, it was like, oh the whistle didn't blow, let me skate in on a breakout and score, and that's what happened.

Does anyone have a rulebook handy?!?
 
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HockeyMan2000 said:
The officiating was simply atrocious this weekend (and it's not even over yet). In addition to some of the calls BU didn't get, three calls (so far) have stuck out:

-Union's empty net goal against UML was scored with one of their players off-side by nearly 10 feet. Reviewed and it stands.

-On Friday, Michigan St. scores what appears to be a goal but because a Union player bumps up against his net (but doesn't dislodge it!) the goal is waived off. Reviewed and it stands.

To think they have replay and it's not a help to them makes it even worse.
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I deleted the UMD one, because with all honesty it was the fault of the Bulldogs for giving up on the play (even though it should *arguably* have been whistled dead). Everything else, dead on. The whole replay with the MSU goal I was thinking "ok, so it's in, but with a HIGH STICK". I was especially amazed when the announcer on ESPN said "the crossbar is 6 feet high, so it shouldn't be a high stick because he's only 5'10". Uh, are you serious!? Apparently I was 6'4 when I was a goalie in squirts, because I remember the cross bar being to my neck when I was that age...

Whatever, nag nag b**** b**** like a wife I suppose. I love hockey, just hate it when a call controls the outcome of an entire season.

Hate to say, but they try to over-enforce penalties much to the compliance of a recent tragedy. Roy and Jablonski are tragedies, but they live to tell their stories today. Sarah Burke, an olympic freeskier, DIED skiing halfpipe. I've yet to hear any plans to change the sport of free-skiing and halfpipe.

Any hockey player who grew up playing knows there is a very miniscule chance of becoming paralyzed by an awkward hit into the boards, or a concussion from a bad hit. I remember stop signs on the back of our jerseys since we were of age to hit. Now that there was another paralysis, they try to prevent the inevitable yet again by overly-enthusistic calls. Their intentions are right, but how many games must be ruined to avenge a few rare bad hits which are inevitable with the growth of the sport (unless checking is eliminated entirely)?

Sorry if I offend anybody, just saying...there's only so much you can do. As any ski pass will say, it is a dangerous sport and any liability is forfeited in the participation of that sport. Maybe I should ski more, or maybe I'll be an old man talking to my grandchildren some day about back in the day where we would actually play the body to gain posession of the puck..
 
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HockeyMan2000 said:
A net being totally off its moorings, with the play going on a few feet in front of it, isn't a good enough reason? I can see if the play was down at the other end, they'd let it go, but it's happening right in front of them, in the Maine zone. And again, most of the Maine players also gave up on the play. When the puck got out to center ice, it was like, oh the whistle didn't blow, let me skate in on a breakout and score, and that's what happened.

Does anyone have a rulebook handy?!?
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http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4184-2011-2012-ice-hockey-rules-2-year-publication.aspx

I haven't found anything that indicates that there are special conditions when you do/don't blow the whistle once the net has become dislodged.
 
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You guys are probably right on the Maine-UMD net-off-the-moorings goal, I just would like to know what the rule is because I've seen it called both ways over the years. Just seems like there is some judgment on the part of the officials involved to a degree.
 
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They are up to my expectations, but mine are pretty low.
 
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