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What happened? Great coach who has had a tough time recruiting due to the financial situation at NSA. Wonder if that had anything to do with it?

I hope this team can make it the year, for the players sake.

This is a JWHL team, how many other teams are in this position? I heard NAHA is on thin ice. How could this business model flourish this long, in this economy? Youth coaches making $30,000 +, really?

Parents, I don't think this league is a great investment. If you are considering the JWHL, ask the team if they are in good financial shape.

Let's hope that the kids don't get screwed over by adults!
 
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Yeah,your fiscal fear-mongering is really going to help the situation especially when I highly doubt you have any idea what the financial situation is at NSA or NAHA.
 
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Yeah,your fiscal fear-mongering is really going to help the situation especially when I highly doubt you have any idea what the financial situation is at NSA or NAHA.

That's exactly what I thought after I read Call It's post. Way to support one of the best alternatives aspiring-college-players-not-from-Minnesota have to develop their game.
 
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Yeah,your fiscal fear-mongering is really going to help the situation especially when I highly doubt you have any idea what the financial situation is at NSA or NAHA.

What is your point? I suggested that prospective parents/ players of JWHL teams ask the question of the team's financial health. Is that a bad idea? I offered my .02 about a U19 Girls coach making $30,000+ a year, does your .02 differ.

As far as my insight into this situation, last year NSA almost went under. (Remember the thread?) Rumor has it that other teams are barley alive financially. If teams fold during the season, kids get screwed. What am I missing?
 
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Seems to be some real fear in Minnesota that is these fail we will see more influx into the Minnesota version of this type of school and some imbalance into the High School League. Even a rumor that some St.Louis Blues including the Olympian and her sister will be here already for this season. Right now there are two such schools on the boys side and one on the girls.
 
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Seems to be some real fear in Minnesota that is these fail we will see more influx into the Minnesota version of this type of school and some imbalance into the High School League. Even a rumor that some St.Louis Blues including the Olympian and her sister will be here already for this season. Right now there are two such schools on the boys side and one on the girls.

I'm pretty sure Shattuck won't care if the MN High School League balance is upset by their being better. As a private school with an onging aspiration to being the best girls (and boys) team in the country, it's kind of what they do.
 
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I'm pretty sure Shattuck won't care if the MN High School League balance is upset by their being better. As a private school with an onging aspiration to being the best girls (and boys) team in the country, it's kind of what they do.

If it were SSM no one in MN would really care. Better is a relative term it all depends what your looking for your family. Not having to leave home at age 14, not needing to travel during the school year, playing with your grade school friends all the way through graduation, HS (prom, football games,....), still having a legit shot to continue your hockey beyond high school, getting to beat SSM on a HS Elite Team..., some of us believe that we are lucky to have what we have.

http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31342&start=100&sid=f19173ed6b7fc86ea252f81809b5d902
 
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Seems to be some real fear in Minnesota that is these fail we will see more influx into the Minnesota version of this type of school and some imbalance into the High School League. Even a rumor that some St.Louis Blues including the Olympian and her sister will be here already for this season. Right now there are two such schools on the boys side and one on the girls.

Her sister is big and slow and BAD!!!! If Ohio doesn't get the little one than the big one is bye bye! Someone had to say it :rolleyes:
 
Her sister is big and slow and BAD!!!! If Ohio doesn't get the little one than the big one is bye bye! Someone had to say it :rolleyes:

Youve had a busy day...trying to sandbag the jwhl and accuse all the programs of being near ruin and then chirping a high school aged kid on her hockey ability. What would earth do without allstars like you?
 
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Her sister is big and slow and BAD!!!! If Ohio doesn't get the little one than the big one is bye bye! Someone had to say it :rolleyes:

No someone didn't have to say it. Besides, you are dead wrong. She is a legit D1 prospect. Natonal Camp kid from Central Dist (not easy to make); over 6 feet tall with size; great hands especially for a player of her size; great shot; plays tough; and good kid based on my D's interactions.
 
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Yes Some programs pay their coaches $$$$. Why would it be any different? On the other side of the game, the boys game, some youth coaches are making $60,000+

I hope this team can make it the year, for the players sake.

This is a JWHL team, how many other teams are in this position? I heard NAHA is on thin ice. How could this business model flourish this long, in this economy? Youth coaches making $30,000 +, really?

Parents, I don't think this league is a great investment. If you are considering the JWHL, ask the team if they are in good financial shape.

Let's hope that the kids don't get screwed over by adults!
 
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I hope this team can make it the year, for the players sake.

This is a JWHL team, how many other teams are in this position? I heard NAHA is on thin ice. How could this business model flourish this long, in this economy? Youth coaches making $30,000 +, really?

Parents, I don't think this league is a great investment. If you are considering the JWHL, ask the team if they are in good financial shape.

Let's hope that the kids don't get screwed over by adults!

OF course you don't think it is a great investment because you love your lovely high school hockey in Minnesota. That is fine, but the majority of the hockey playing world does not have the option of playing HS hockey at the level seen in Minnesota. (And by level, I mean the number of teams and community support, not the level of play. Truth be told the level of play, overall, is not that good.)

NSA was in a situation because of reduced enrollment in the school in other sports. They are restructuring the way they operate as they try to rebuild the ranks of skiers, lugers, etc.

The JWHL teams are just fine. (IF kids get screwed over by adults it will be as with any team, because parents forget they have signed a contract and don't pay their bills).

NAHA is indeed on thin ice. They moved back to Stowe and are on fresh, thin ice (1 1/2") in a brand new rink just down the street. They have been at this for 15 years and you can be sure they will be at it for another 15 and then some. ;)
 
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The JWHL is a U19 league right and entirely pay to play? I'm using pay to play in the sense that the players pay a fee not in the sense that the most talented aren't picked because from what I've heard it's a great quality of play. I'm just wondering because it would seem that this is the issue - teams rely on the players to pay for almost their entire budget. It's like running a junior program without trying to make some money (which might be the only realistic model but has major issues).
 
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The JWHL is a U19 league right and entirely pay to play? I'm using pay to play in the sense that the players pay a fee not in the sense that the most talented aren't picked because from what I've heard it's a great quality of play. I'm just wondering because it would seem that this is the issue - teams rely on the players to pay for almost their entire budget. It's like running a junior program without trying to make some money (which might be the only realistic model but has major issues).

And how do independent clubs and teams raise money? Fundraisers = money from pocket left going into pocket right; your neighbors' pockets, grandparents, etc. Corporate Sponsorships = part of your bill payment set aside and put into a "giving pool" to be put into the pocket on the right. Money comes from people, period, whether that be you, me, those around you who support your cause, corporations who invest the money from their customers into their charitable pool, grants funded by tax dollars from, yep, people. The best thing about pay for play is that while most of those organizations are 501(c)3 entities who are technically "owned" by the general population, none of the general population wants anything to do with them. So those entities' members, i.e. parents of players, a homogeneous group of people, define their missions and successes by paying for it outright and guiding annual decision and budget making instead of having a melting pot of folks from a heterogeneous population contributing to your cause then telling your cause what to do and how to do it and with too many generalities, in many cases.

PS Hux, great post...
 
And how do independent clubs and teams raise money? Fundraisers = money from pocket left going into pocket right; your neighbors' pockets, grandparents, etc. Corporate Sponsorships = part of your bill payment set aside and put into a "giving pool" to be put into the pocket on the right. Money comes from people, period, whether that be you, me, those around you who support your cause, corporations who invest the money from their customers into their charitable pool, grants funded by tax dollars from, yep, people. The best thing about pay for play is that while most of those organizations are 501(c)3 entities who are technically "owned" by the general population, none of the general population wants anything to do with them. So those entities' members, i.e. parents of players, a homogeneous group of people, define their missions and successes by paying for it outright and guiding annual decision and budget making instead of having a melting pot of folks from a heterogeneous population contributing to your cause then telling your cause what to do and how to do it and with too many generalities, in many cases.

PS Hux, great post...

Wow, I think I learned some new words.
 
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