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Norwich Cadets '13-14 - A New Look Forward

Re: Norwich Cadets '13-14 - A New Look Forward

NUProf said:
Wish it could have lasted one week longer, but it was a good run. The big problem that I saw was a bit of a lack of "killer instinct" and an inability to finish. In some of the games they lost they either had taken control or taken the lead, and then kind of let up on the gas and went defensive. That is never a good thing. It's been a learning year, and it will be interesting to so what happens next year. At least we didn't lose to Oswego :). Would like to have seen a better power play and more productive shots in general. It's great to outshoot the other guys by a 2-1 margin and all, but you need to shoot the puck at the corners of the net, not at the goalie's chest.

With Czarnota graduating, it's either back to Marensic in goal and/or find another. It seems as though since Klinger graduated that the quest for a consistent goalie has been an issue. The guys we have had - Marensic, Czarnota, and Carroll have been spotty - and it has been a constant search for a #1 starter. Those three have sometimes been really great, sometimes not so great. Historically, for whatever reason, Norwich has had that kind of a history with goalies. In a number of cases a guy has come in - had a great year, and been a flop the following year. I'm trying to remember the last goalie who had a run 3 or more years as the go to guy.

The other thing we need (and maybe we already have him, but he hasn't emerged) is the guy who can pick up the game and carry the team when it really needs a boost. We got a little of that from time to time with the seniors this year, but sometimes that factor wasn't there when we really needed it. We didn't have a Bellemare, or an Aucoin, or a Healey, or a McLean, or a Kashirsky to take the puck and make real magic when things got sticky. Sometimes you need a "big dog" to get the other team's attention - then the secondary guys can make things happen, too.

That's not to be critical, because I never thought there was even a shot at the start of the season for a reg. season title or another NCAA bid. Something to build on.

Now I can go back to watching the NHL as soon as the NU women get (hopefully) one more shot at Plattsburgh.
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Prof some of the guys at the rink claim freshmen redshirt Ryan Lund is a very good prospect. He was recovering from injury this year. I liked Marinsek but after playing well early didn't play much late in the season. From a fan point of view is was very disappointing to see Babson and Norwich lose to SUNY teams. I though that the ECAC E and SUNY were equal but after Babson and Norwich lost to SUNY teams I have to say the SUNY teams are still stronger. And the best SUNY team (Plattsburgh) didn't even make the NCAA. It will also be hard to lose the high level players on the senior line.
 
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hawk said:
Prof some of the guys at the rink claim freshmen redshirt Ryan Lund is a very good prospect. He was recovering from injury this year. I liked Marinsek but after playing well early didn't play much late in the season. From a fan point of view is was very disappointing to see Babson and Norwich lose to SUNY teams. I though that the ECAC E and SUNY were equal but after Babson and Norwich lost to SUNY teams I have to say the SUNY teams are still stronger. And the best SUNY team (Plattsburgh) didn't even make the NCAA. It will also be hard to lose the high level players on the senior line.
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So why are the SUNY teams better, Oswego 25 Canadians-5 DI transfers, Geneseo 11 Canadians- 1 DI transfer (hat trick).....end of discussion. St Norbert has something like 8 Canadians and several DI transfers. Cadets have 6 Canadians and no transfers.
 
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CROSBYNU63 said:
So why are the SUNY teams better, Oswego 25 Canadians-5 DI transfers, Geneseo 11 Canadians- 1 DI transfer (hat trick).....end of discussion. St Norbert has something like 8 Canadians and several DI transfers. Cadets have 6 Canadians and no transfers.
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CROSBYNU63 I realize the financial aid restrictions are making it more difficult to recruit Canadian players. But Norwich has a long history of recruiting both Canadian and American players to form very good D3 teams, teams that were even competitive with D1 teams when they were allowed to play. Norwich has also had brought in D1 players in the past. Maybe Norwich will recruit a few Canadian players next year from Western Canada to compete with the likes of St, Norbert. Time will tell.
 
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CROSBYNU63 said:
So why are the SUNY teams better, Oswego 25 Canadians-5 DI transfers, Geneseo 11 Canadians- 1 DI transfer (hat trick).....end of discussion. St Norbert has something like 8 Canadians and several DI transfers. Cadets have 6 Canadians and no transfers.
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That's quite the sour mash you have brewing there '63...are you blaming your admissions office?
 
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CROSBYNU63 said:
So why are the SUNY teams better, Oswego 25 Canadians-5 DI transfers, Geneseo 11 Canadians- 1 DI transfer (hat trick).....end of discussion.
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Geneseo actually has 3 D1 transfers. One of whom had a great assist that set up the third goal for the Ice Knights.

Geneseo has the academic admission standards comparable to the NESCAC so it's an uphill battle for us as well.
 
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KnightsOfTheRound said:
Liar! Didn't you know the SUNYs were nothing but community colleges for older Canadians? ;)
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From the Geneseo website:
Applications: 9,037 Class Size: 995
SAT: Mean: 1300 Middle 50%: 1240 - 1360
ACT: Mean: 28 Middle 50%: 26-29
H.S. AVE: Mean: 93.4% Middle 50%: 91 - 96


From the Oswego website : 1,400 freshmen, with a mean high school grade average of 90 and average SAT of 1110 (math and verbal), enrolled in fall 2013.
Freshman Applicants: • 10,350 Applied • 49% Admitted
Freshman GPA
* Middle 50% Range is 86- 92; Mean = 90
Freshman SAT and ACT:
• ACT Composite Range
Middle 50% Range is 22 – 25; Mean = 24
• SAT Range
Middle 50% Range is 1060 – 1200; Mean = 1100

From the Norwich website -
Incoming student data
On average, Norwich receives about 3,500 applications each year. We have a 56 percent acceptance rate.
For an incoming student, the average grade point average is 3.2.
For an incoming student, the average SAT score (critical reading/math combined) is about 1,100. The average ACT composite score is 24.
 
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CROSBYNU63 said:
Its not admissions, its the cost of tuition that is really hurting us, just like it is in many privates
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I thought you just said it was because of Canadians? Which is funny as UWSP has one and I think UWEC had two last year. Do you have another point you'd like to try to make?
 
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CROSBYNU63 said:
Its not admissions, its the cost of tuition that is really hurting us, just like it is in many privates
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http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg03_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=976

The above is the cost to attend St. Norbert which I consider to have the best D3 hockey program in the country. I guessing NU is a little more but it can't be much more than $42,042 a year. I not sure what the data means but St. Norbert is still able to put out a high level program with high tuition and they compete with a number of state schools out west.
 
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BetterInLakePlacid said:
I thought you just said it was because of Canadians? Which is funny as UWSP has one and I think UWEC had two last year. Do you have another point you'd like to try to make?
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And what is the tuition to UWSP? Guess I have to explain that it is the tuition that makes it difficult to get Canadians. Hopefully you get the point
 
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Prior to the 13-14 season, Norwich averaged 13 non-american players per year....

The womens team is made up of 50% non americans.....
 
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CROSBYNU63 said:
And what is the tuition to UWSP? Guess I have to explain that it is the tuition that makes it difficult to get Canadians. Hopefully you get the point
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Yet teams are currently able to be successful with very few Canadians on them. Hopefully you get the point.
 
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BetterInLakePlacid said:
Yet teams are currently able to be successful with very few Canadians on them. Hopefully you get the point.
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And Norwich is successful, but most of the teams getting Canadians do not have tuition cost of $48,000(includes room and board), but then again you just don't get the point :-)
 
BetterInLakePlacid said:
Yet teams are currently able to be successful with very few Canadians on them. Hopefully you get the point.
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You can find the stats I posted a few years ago, but there was a clear correlation between non-american based teams and quality of the team. The teams out in the mid west are an exception due to the quality of hockey in Wi/Minn and the great New England players jumling to the vast number of DI schools. You can trace the build up of success of a team a lot of times by the number of non Americans. (Neumann, Utica, Buff State, Brockport and on the flip side Cortland). Oswego, while still has 25 Non Americans, has zero FA. However, its a "team" not a bunch of studs like years past, and brought in more American born players then the past 8 years combined. Saying private institutions are at a disadvantage is non sense. Middlebury seemed to be doing just fine....
 
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CROSBYNU63 said:
And Norwich is successful, but most of the teams getting Canadians do not have tuition cost of $48,000(includes room and board), but then again you just don't get the point :-)
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Im sure every Cadet payed $48,000 too :rolleyes: Private schools have much more wiggle room then a State school in their "costs"
 
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so what does the average student at Plattsburgh pay, in other words what is your discount rate?
 
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