Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

[Huskies01]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

I don't disagree with you. I think we all thought we were getting some major recruits with Cronin, but other than Johnny G the others kinda fizzled. Kovacs who ended up at Western Michigan is having a pretty good senior year but his previous 3 were not great, Haar a D man had a good freshman year, not so great sophomore year got in trouble and bolted school. The remaining players from that class, Bitteto had a good freshman year, terrible sophomore year then decided he was ready for the pros, Karlson played 1.5 years here, of which maybe .75 was good and then he decided he was playing in the NHL, Adam Reid for the most part has been nothing. Cam Darcy after 11 games decided he was to good for college, Mike Mckee who was supposed to be a huge prospect is not looking through the glass a W Michigan trying to get on the ice.

So these big time prospects that you speak of that Cronin had on the horizon, none of them really panned out. I would argue that Roy and Szmatula are at worst equal to any top scoring forward that Cronin brought in. Difference is, Cronin had the best goalie in the country and a couple of Dman that could play. Other than that, I see no difference, that 2011 team that you referenced the one that beat BU in the Qtrs. Take a look, I believe that they stared the season 1-7-3

Team historian.

C

Valid points - but you did leave out JG and Gillies. And who knows how those kids who have done here under Cronin instead of where they ended up? Not saying Cronin would never have a recruit be a bust, because he did and would have had in the future too.

Who knows how one kid would play under one coach compared to another coach? Darcy might have stayed and blossomed. Bitteto might have played better year 2 under Cro then JM. Reid might have done more with a coach who was building the team in a certain style then what Madigan has.

I still feel Reid has been a man without linemates his entire time here. He plays a different game then what Madigan has had this team playing.

Anyway hindsight is 20/20.

 

[retsap71]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

Valid points - but you did leave out JG and Gillies. And who knows how those kids who have done here under Cronin instead of where they ended up? Not saying Cronin would never have a recruit be a bust, because he did and would have had in the future too.

Who knows how one kid would play under one coach compared to another coach? Darcy might have stayed and blossomed. Bitteto might have played better year 2 under Cro then JM. Reid might have done more with a coach who was building the team in a certain style then what Madigan has.

I still feel Reid has been a man without linemates his entire time here. He plays a different game then what Madigan has had this team playing.

Anyway hindsight is 20/20.

I said Johnny G.

I agree with your points.

But that class was a top 5 nationally, and if you add up the pieces, they didn't equal that ranking. But they also never played a game together.

 

[TheRevengeance]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

-I hate to criticize Kevin Roy, but there are times he just keeps the puck too long. By the time he tries to pass it, the window to do so has closed, and he'll lose it in a crowd of opponents.
-McMurtry has some good moves but makes a lot of bad decisions along the way.

Ding ding ding on both of those.

Also, just something to point out about the crowd as a student, on Friday 95% of the crowd was the January admissions kids who just had their orientation that afternoon. So it was more of a matter of "We haven't been able to teach these kids to follow anything yet." (We definitely needed to get them to echo Demko back, at the very least.) Though I do feel like we've lost a bit of variety over the last couple of years (not as much Go NU, the band doesn't ever play their song that used to end with a Go NU anymore are two off the top of my head)

 

[northeastern]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

Steve will (and has) ..say anything to defend his pal Madigan. Still, I go back to my original.. for the teams (kids) who will skate here.. for their sake.. for future (fans) students sake.. hopefully the U (AD/Athletics dept, movers & shakers.. someone!).. has a longer term vision in the works for the viability to a 'better' program & fan experience in light of the competitive HE landscape. (hint: get a seriously qualified HC longer term) because as & when we end up sub .500 .. gotta have something going for the future far as the hockey.. or is it lights out & status quo continuing on St Botolph because Steve & every deadweight in the Varsity Club again with stogies & the couches says it has always been like that.. so.. too bad.

..and I know you did not understand any of that retsap.. so its okay. just hoping someone higher up gets it soon.
not about you & me.. just for the kids sake!..

 

[retsap71]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

Steve will (and has) ..say anything to defend his pal Madigan. Still, I go back to my original.. for the teams (kids) who will skate here.. for their sake.. for future (fans) students sake.. hopefully the U (AD/Athletics dept, movers & shakers.. someone!).. has a longer term vision in the works for the viability to a 'better' program & fan experience in light of the competitive HE landscape. (hint: get a seriously qualified HC longer term) because as & when we end up sub .500 .. gotta have something going for the future far as the hockey.. or is it lights out & status quo continuing on St Botolph because Steve & every deadweight in the Varsity Club again with stogies & the couches says it has always been like that.. so.. too bad.

..and I know you did not understand any of that retsap.. so its okay. just hoping someone higher up gets it soon.
not about you & me.. just for the kids sake!..

Your expectations are tainted. I believe that they should be a middle of the pack team in HE with the occasional jump into the top 4. But overall they are a 5-9 team. Do you think they will ever be BC, BU? If you say yes, I feel bad for you.

 

[Agganis]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

Your expectations are tainted. I believe that they should be a middle of the pack team in HE with the occasional jump into the top 4. But overall they are a 5-9 team. Do you think they will ever be BC, BU? If you say yes, I feel bad for you.

Would you have said the same thing to a UML fan ~5 years ago?

 

[retsap71]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

Would you have said the same thing to a UML fan ~5 years ago?

Do you think in 5 years Lowell will still be at the top? If they are, then I am wrong. You can't call Lowell, BU, BC for having a couple of good years.

 

[Agganis]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

Do you think in 5 years Lowell will still be at the top? If they are, then I am wrong. You can't call Lowell, BU, BC for having a couple of good years.

I think they will be this good as long as they have their current coach. Maybe NU will hire Bazin in 2 years and UML's stay at the top won't last the full 5

 

[HHound]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

I think they will be this good as long as they have their current coach. Maybe NU will hire Bazin in 2 years and UML's stay at the top won't last the full 5

We tried that once before. See: Crowder, Bruce.

 

[northeastern]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

Do you think in 5 years Lowell will still be at the top? If they are, then I am wrong. You can't call Lowell, BU, BC for having a couple of good years.

No one has called any school by any other school's name.. only you have.
UML is in a good place. Many other programs are in a good place & they are not comparing themselves to any of the schools you've mentioned. They have transformed. We are not in a good place. We are not transforming the hockey. (not even trying)

The other places (besides UML ..list goes on) have done it with good hires. Bruce Crowder or Jim Madigan were not good hockey hires.
Greg Cronin was a good hockey decision that ended (unfortunately for us), prematurely. I believe we can find & hire a solid Coach again. The program need not be like anyone else.. just the best it can be. Right now (for several yrs now).. we are not the best we can be. Under Cro we were headed in the right direction. You dinosaurs defending the old guard is what has tainted St Botolph Street for so long. (you know who you are).. hopefully your time is limited in that capacity as well. The rest of the U. is always trying (and attaining) to be the best it can be.. yes it can be done with the hockey program as well & my expectations are anything but tainted.

 

[Split-N]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

Your expectations are tainted. I believe that they should be a middle of the pack team in HE with the occasional jump into the top 4. But overall they are a 5-9 team. Do you think they will ever be BC, BU? If you say yes, I feel bad for you.

This is where you and I disagree. By that statement, you are stating to the world that you believe NU's proper place in the college hockey universe is "middle of the pack," AKA, perpetual mediocrity. My expectations and (fortunately) those of many others, is that this program can and should be a perennial contender for HEA championships and be consistently ranked in the national polls. As we all know, Northeastern has become a national top-tier academic school and that same standard of excellence should be applied (at least) to the two marquee athletic programs. Schools that we now like to be compared with, such as Notre Dame, Duke, Stanford, and--yes--BC, and even BU, already understand this. It's not too much to demand or expect.

 

[retsap71]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

This is where you and I disagree. By that statement, you are stating to the world that you believe NU's proper place in the college hockey universe is "middle of the pack," AKA, perpetual mediocrity. My expectations and (fortunately) those of many others, is that this program can and should be a perennial contender for HEA championships and be consistently ranked in the national polls. As we all know, Northeastern has become a national top-tier academic school and that same standard of excellence should be applied (at least) to the two marquee athletic programs. Schools that we now like to be compared with, such as Notre Dame, Duke, Stanford, and--yes--BC, and even BU, already understand this. It's not too much to demand or expect.

What does academics have to do with this? If so shouldn't Harvard, Princeton, Dartmouth, Yale be at the top every year? With the exception of 2 years ago, some of the worst hockey is played at these schools. I don't see how or why the correlate.

 

[northeastern]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

..With the exception of 2 years ago, some of the worst hockey is played at these schools. I don't see how or why the correlate.

Harvard won a hockey National Championship in 1989.. (and as you slighted).. Yale did it two yrs ago. Such poor hockey..

In the Boston are.. all of the other 3 Beanpot Schools have a National Championship. In Minnesota.. Minnesota has a storied history.. that did not stop the U Minn-Duluth Bulldogs from aspiring (and eventually getting) their own banners. Now Minnesota State is making a run for it with a 'poor' #1 spot in the national ranking. Much like Lowell has improved its hockey in our area (leapfrogging our asleep athletic admin!). The frozen four will be held in Boston this year.. yup.. 3 schools (same three of our Beanpot peers) are positioned to least make a run for the NCAA. Guess which one is left out.. again..

with 'fans' like you who needs a fan base. Yes, we NU fans aspire for more. Yes it can be attained with the right decisions around personnel. No.. we do not have to 'accept' the status quo. Yes, your pal is in over his head.

You went to Quinnipiac so stop speaking for NU (in academics or sport) if you're going to sound like a dope. Guess drinking before typing does have its drawbacks. What do I know.. my expectations are tainted.

 

[NU_Husky]

This is where you and I disagree. By that statement, you are stating to the world that you believe NU's proper place in the college hockey universe is "middle of the pack," AKA, perpetual mediocrity. My expectations and (fortunately) those of many others, is that this program can and should be a perennial contender for HEA championships and be consistently ranked in the national polls. As we all know, Northeastern has become a national top-tier academic school and that same standard of excellence should be applied (at least) to the two marquee athletic programs. Schools that we now like to be compared with, such as Notre Dame, Duke, Stanford, and--yes--BC, and even BU, already understand this. It's not too much to demand or expect.

I've long held this belief, and even brought it up both directly and indirectly to Roby and the administration, using the exact schools Split N used as my examples to support my argument. Unfortunately I did not get any worthwhile response to my questions. But I agree 100% with Split N. The school has shown a committment to excellence off the ice- it has the resources to provide a top tier product on the ice, field, and court as well. The day it puts that effort in, however, has yet to be seen. And unfortunately, until aoun and/or Roby are gone, I fear we won't see that commitment.

 

[Agganis]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

What does academics have to do with this? If so shouldn't Harvard, Princeton, Dartmouth, Yale be at the top every year? With the exception of 2 years ago, some of the worst hockey is played at these schools. I don't see how or why the correlate.

I believe the point was that NU wants to be viewed with those other (non-Ivy) schools mentioned. To do so they massively upgraded their academics. Now they can/should do the same with their athletics program to further increase their standing nationally, like the other schools did.

I can't believe this poster is actually arguing with NU fans who say the school should try to improve the hockey program and he counters by saying just keep being mediocre it's what NU does. I know this forum is a breeding ground for absurd comments, but this is off the wall even by those standards.

 

[retsap71]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

Harvard won a hockey National Championship in 1989.. (and as you slighted).. Yale did it two yrs ago. Such poor hockey..

In the Boston are.. all of the other 3 Beanpot Schools have a National Championship. In Minnesota.. Minnesota has a storied history.. that did not stop the U Minn-Duluth Bulldogs from aspiring (and eventually getting) their own banners. Now Minnesota State is making a run for it with a 'poor' #1 spot in the national ranking. Much like Lowell has improved its hockey in our area (leapfrogging our asleep athletic admin!). The frozen four will be held in Boston this year.. yup.. 3 schools (same three of our Beanpot peers) are positioned to least make a run for the NCAA. Guess which one is left out.. again..

with 'fans' like you who needs a fan base. Yes, we NU fans aspire for more. Yes it can be attained with the right decisions around personnel. No.. we do not have to 'accept' the status quo. Yes, your pal is in over his head.

You went to Quinnipiac so stop speaking for NU (in academics or sport) if you're going to sound like a dope. Guess drinking before typing does have its drawbacks. What do I know.. my expectations are tainted.

You spoke of the academics at NU being better so they hockey program should improve. I asked you how and why they are attached? What does one have to do with the other?

 

[retsap71]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

I believe the point was that NU wants to be viewed with those other (non-Ivy) schools mentioned. To do so they massively upgraded their academics. Now they can/should do the same with their athletics program to further increase their standing nationally, like the other schools did.

I can't believe this poster is actually arguing with NU fans who say the school should try to improve the hockey program and he counters by saying just keep being mediocre it's what NU does. I know this forum is a breeding ground for absurd comments, but this is off the wall even by those standards.

I am not saying stay mediocre, that is the last thing that I want. But I also do not expect in my lifetime to see NU as a national power, ranked in the top 15 year in and year out winning HE titles every third year. If that happens awesome! Not holding my breath. You think if in 1970 Jack Parker was NU's coach he would have retired 2 years ago with 3 National titles and 20+ beanpots. I don't think so.

 

[roma]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

Cronin’s last recruiting class had Jamie Oleksiak (NHL) and a goalie named Clay Witt.
Johnny Gaudreau, NHL this year 32 Points in 42 games 13 goals and 19 assists.
Yes Greg Cronin can recognize and recruit talent.

 

[Agganis]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

I don't think so.

Why not?

 

[DieHardDog]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!

Anyone know the Beanpot sections for Northeastern this year? Thanks.