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Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
So simple, yet so well put. If only it was seen that way by the men in charge.
Still, the hockey team is not leaving Hockey East. The program has shown it can compete when an actual coach is in charge of the program. Now it has shown it cannot without an actual coach in charge.
So simple, yet so well put. If only it was seen that way by the men in charge.
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
They may well start seeing it that way soon. If enough people ping those in charge and let them that this is unacceptable from a guy in his 4th year at the helm, not in his 1st.
And quite honestly, I do not understand why some here think the school is so tied to JM they wont make a move? Who in charge was actually here when he was a player? Nobody. How many of these people has he flowed into when working in other parts of NU?
The school did a solid for JM for many years. They owe him nothing at this point. What alumni base is going to be so upset that he is removed? Sorry, with losing those people do not exist. (retsap, fine) It is not like he was not given a fair shake. Outside of the first three months of last year, he has done nothing but lose.
So simple, yet so well put. If only it was seen that way by the men in charge.
They may well start seeing it that way soon. If enough people ping those in charge and let them that this is unacceptable from a guy in his 4th year at the helm, not in his 1st.
And quite honestly, I do not understand why some here think the school is so tied to JM they wont make a move? Who in charge was actually here when he was a player? Nobody. How many of these people has he flowed into when working in other parts of NU?
The school did a solid for JM for many years. They owe him nothing at this point. What alumni base is going to be so upset that he is removed? Sorry, with losing those people do not exist. (retsap, fine) It is not like he was not given a fair shake. Outside of the first three months of last year, he has done nothing but lose.
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northeastern
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
if Madigan was (is) a decent Coach.. let's use simple example as a barometer.. if he was to be let go by NU (fingers crossed).. would he land a HC job in college hockey?.. I don't think he even makes assistant Coach anywhere..
there are plenty of good Coaches who are at programs.. were they to leave.. would land on their feet in the college hockey world as associate or HC.. soon enough.. or already have. We just didn't land any of them.. Yet!!!
if Madigan was (is) a decent Coach.. let's use simple example as a barometer.. if he was to be let go by NU (fingers crossed).. would he land a HC job in college hockey?.. I don't think he even makes assistant Coach anywhere..
there are plenty of good Coaches who are at programs.. were they to leave.. would land on their feet in the college hockey world as associate or HC.. soon enough.. or already have. We just didn't land any of them.. Yet!!!
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edit:.. lately anyway..
Why Roby.. why?!??!!!
Why Roby.. why?!??!!!
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
I am very surprised at the lack of scoring I thought they would be more upfront. I am not surprised at the terrible play on D but as far as goaltending goes I didn't expect witt to miss 6 of the first 8. This season so far has been very disappointing and the coach does deserve the blame for that but I am always one that thinks the coach gets too much credit when teams win and to much blame when teams lose. You guys talk about two guys Roy and szmatula leaving, they are a big part of this start. If they need to make a coaching change the so be it, I will be fine. If the new coach comes in and has a better track record, and by that I mean consistent winning then I will say I was wrong. I'm wrong every day, believe I will have no problem admitting it. I want to see them win something in my lifetime so if a change does it, then so be it. Madigan is a good guy and an easy guy to route four so I've been rooting for him but if it doesn't work it doesn't work. But players one through 20 also have to have some responsibility in this start.
I am very surprised at the lack of scoring I thought they would be more upfront. I am not surprised at the terrible play on D but as far as goaltending goes I didn't expect witt to miss 6 of the first 8. This season so far has been very disappointing and the coach does deserve the blame for that but I am always one that thinks the coach gets too much credit when teams win and to much blame when teams lose. You guys talk about two guys Roy and szmatula leaving, they are a big part of this start. If they need to make a coaching change the so be it, I will be fine. If the new coach comes in and has a better track record, and by that I mean consistent winning then I will say I was wrong. I'm wrong every day, believe I will have no problem admitting it. I want to see them win something in my lifetime so if a change does it, then so be it. Madigan is a good guy and an easy guy to route four so I've been rooting for him but if it doesn't work it doesn't work. But players one through 20 also have to have some responsibility in this start.
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
I'm sure Jim's a great guy and probably good at a lot of things. Whether he's not cut out to be the head coach or he's held back by the lack of winning culture in the athletic department, I don't know. What I do know is that either something has to change culture wise, or we're going to have to live through many bad seasons and the occasional pretty good one.
Sure they won 19 games last year, but still no NCAAs, Beanpot or Hockey East titles. I fear that for many last season was considered a success. Was it bad? No. Can we aim higher? Yes. I just don't see that vision from the athletic department and honestly don't know how to get it through to them that they're doing the University a disservice now and in the long term.
I'm sure Jim's a great guy and probably good at a lot of things. Whether he's not cut out to be the head coach or he's held back by the lack of winning culture in the athletic department, I don't know. What I do know is that either something has to change culture wise, or we're going to have to live through many bad seasons and the occasional pretty good one.
Sure they won 19 games last year, but still no NCAAs, Beanpot or Hockey East titles. I fear that for many last season was considered a success. Was it bad? No. Can we aim higher? Yes. I just don't see that vision from the athletic department and honestly don't know how to get it through to them that they're doing the University a disservice now and in the long term.
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
Nobody is saying that the players are not responsible either. But even if Roy and Szmatula had gotten off to hot starts, then what? How many more wins do we have? 3-3-1, maybe at best? Which games are they winning? UMASS? Maybe split with Q?
The problem is, going back to mid last January, teams score on us at will. What, three wins since they lost the Beanpot final? This team cannot hold a lead without the goalie standing on his head. The offense has gone sour because teams track the two best forwards you mentioned and clamp down on them, and there is way to much do it yourself stuff out there. Guys trying to skate through the entire defense. It seems like they watch Patrick Kane highlights during video sessions and then try to copy what he does during games.
Yeah, the players are to blame too. But it starts and ends with the coach.
I am very surprised at the lack of scoring I thought they would be more upfront. I am not surprised at the terrible play on D but as far as goaltending goes I didn't expect witt to miss 6 of the first 8. This season so far has been very disappointing and the coach does deserve the blame for that but I am always one that thinks the coach gets too much credit when teams win and to much blame when teams lose. You guys talk about two guys Roy and szmatula leaving, they are a big part of this start. If they need to make a coaching change the so be it, I will be fine. If the new coach comes in and has a better track record, and by that I mean consistent winning then I will say I was wrong. I'm wrong every day, believe I will have no problem admitting it. I want to see them win something in my lifetime so if a change does it, then so be it. Madigan is a good guy and an easy guy to route four so I've been rooting for him but if it doesn't work it doesn't work. But players one through 20 also have to have some responsibility in this start.
Nobody is saying that the players are not responsible either. But even if Roy and Szmatula had gotten off to hot starts, then what? How many more wins do we have? 3-3-1, maybe at best? Which games are they winning? UMASS? Maybe split with Q?
The problem is, going back to mid last January, teams score on us at will. What, three wins since they lost the Beanpot final? This team cannot hold a lead without the goalie standing on his head. The offense has gone sour because teams track the two best forwards you mentioned and clamp down on them, and there is way to much do it yourself stuff out there. Guys trying to skate through the entire defense. It seems like they watch Patrick Kane highlights during video sessions and then try to copy what he does during games.
Yeah, the players are to blame too. But it starts and ends with the coach.
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
drills.. systems, practices.. when you've been out of the loop so long (like Madigan was, sitting in corporate /Univ offices that many yrs).. sure it'll affect the entire body of work. That is why so many said
" this hire may have set the program back for years to come.." These writers.. they cover hockey.. these guys do it for a living!
If Claude Julien was out of the loop 20 odd yrs.. he wouldn't be effective either. Things change, the process passes you by. Especially when you have no experience & want to take on the reins all sudden at D1!
This hire was screwed up from the beginning. These guys have to be honest with themselves!..
Chuck Norris couldn't solve this (well, maybe Chuck Norris could.. but anyway).
drills.. systems, practices.. when you've been out of the loop so long (like Madigan was, sitting in corporate /Univ offices that many yrs).. sure it'll affect the entire body of work. That is why so many said
" this hire may have set the program back for years to come.." These writers.. they cover hockey.. these guys do it for a living!
If Claude Julien was out of the loop 20 odd yrs.. he wouldn't be effective either. Things change, the process passes you by. Especially when you have no experience & want to take on the reins all sudden at D1!
This hire was screwed up from the beginning. These guys have to be honest with themselves!..
Chuck Norris couldn't solve this (well, maybe Chuck Norris could.. but anyway).
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
JM is in the 4th year of a 5 year contract, I fully do not expect him to be released even if we go 0-34-1, this year or next. I think he will be gone after next season, because lets face it ,this team is not going to make a miraculous recovery this year and next year really doesn’t look to promising either. So we are in a holding pattern until October 2016, and there really isn’t much we can do. Although, at least we are vocal on here with lots of very good points being made in these dire times. I just wish there was more positive stuff to say. I mean, this team has K Roy looking like an avg. player and he's not, the game is about confidence and an edge and I don’t see how even being on this team is helping a kid like him. That can be bad pressfor a program! That said, I am still going to the UNH home game I figure it is one that should be competitive but really who knows. It's still a good value for the money, but its just so hard to watch from a fan perspective. Happy Veterans Day!
JM is in the 4th year of a 5 year contract, I fully do not expect him to be released even if we go 0-34-1, this year or next. I think he will be gone after next season, because lets face it ,this team is not going to make a miraculous recovery this year and next year really doesn’t look to promising either. So we are in a holding pattern until October 2016, and there really isn’t much we can do. Although, at least we are vocal on here with lots of very good points being made in these dire times. I just wish there was more positive stuff to say. I mean, this team has K Roy looking like an avg. player and he's not, the game is about confidence and an edge and I don’t see how even being on this team is helping a kid like him. That can be bad pressfor a program! That said, I am still going to the UNH home game I figure it is one that should be competitive but really who knows. It's still a good value for the money, but its just so hard to watch from a fan perspective. Happy Veterans Day!
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HungryHungryHuskies
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
"Average" players make up for being "average" by being useful on both ends of the ice. He has pretty much refused to contribute defensively since he's set foot on campus, and in situations where things aren't going his way, is often caught skating around like he's on a leisurely evening stroll.
To say he looks like an "average" player this year is disrespectful to average players.
I mean, this team has K Roy looking like an avg. player and he's not,
"Average" players make up for being "average" by being useful on both ends of the ice. He has pretty much refused to contribute defensively since he's set foot on campus, and in situations where things aren't going his way, is often caught skating around like he's on a leisurely evening stroll.
To say he looks like an "average" player this year is disrespectful to average players.
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
What would be wrong with a 3-4-1 record, 2-1-1 in HE. Yes it would great, losing 4 NC games to good teams all on the road. Would be light years better than the situation they are in now. This makes no sense.
Nobody is saying that the players are not responsible either. But even if Roy and Szmatula had gotten off to hot starts, then what? How many more wins do we have? 3-3-1, maybe at best? Which games are they winning? UMASS? Maybe split with Q?
The problem is, going back to mid last January, teams score on us at will. What, three wins since they lost the Beanpot final? This team cannot hold a lead without the goalie standing on his head. The offense has gone sour because teams track the two best forwards you mentioned and clamp down on them, and there is way to much do it yourself stuff out there. Guys trying to skate through the entire defense. It seems like they watch Patrick Kane highlights during video sessions and then try to copy what he does during games.
Yeah, the players are to blame too. But it starts and ends with the coach.
What would be wrong with a 3-4-1 record, 2-1-1 in HE. Yes it would great, losing 4 NC games to good teams all on the road. Would be light years better than the situation they are in now. This makes no sense.
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
Dick Vermeil was out of football for 15 years then names Rams coach and won a super bowl. There is 1 off the top of my head.
drills.. systems, practices.. when you've been out of the loop so long (like Madigan was, sitting in corporate /Univ offices that many yrs).. sure it'll affect the entire body of work. That is why so many said
" this hire may have set the program back for years to come.." These writers.. they cover hockey.. these guys do it for a living!
If Claude Julien was out of the loop 20 odd yrs.. he wouldn't be effective either. Things change, the process passes you by. Especially when you have no experience & want to take on the reins all sudden at D1!
This hire was screwed up from the beginning. These guys have to be honest with themselves!..
Chuck Norris couldn't solve this (well, maybe Chuck Norris could.. but anyway).
Dick Vermeil was out of football for 15 years then names Rams coach and won a super bowl. There is 1 off the top of my head.
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
I agree, school is not going to pay for 2 coaches.
JM is in the 4th year of a 5 year contract, I fully do not expect him to be released even if we go 0-34-1, this year or next. I think he will be gone after next season, because lets face it ,this team is not going to make a miraculous recovery this year and next year really doesn’t look to promising either. So we are in a holding pattern until October 2016, and there really isn’t much we can do. Although, at least we are vocal on here with lots of very good points being made in these dire times. I just wish there was more positive stuff to say. I mean, this team has K Roy looking like an avg. player and he's not, the game is about confidence and an edge and I don’t see how even being on this team is helping a kid like him. That can be bad pressfor a program! That said, I am still going to the UNH home game I figure it is one that should be competitive but really who knows. It's still a good value for the money, but its just so hard to watch from a fan perspective. Happy Veterans Day!
I agree, school is not going to pay for 2 coaches.
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
Nothing wrong with that record. I just happen to think that even with those two scoring, our record might not be that good. Fact is, teams can score on us at will right now. And more or less have been since February of last season.
And yeah, the schedule has been tough, but how many years did we complain about opening with Alabama? Need to be able to beat the good teams at some point.
What would be wrong with a 3-4-1 record, 2-1-1 in HE. Yes it would great, losing 4 NC games to good teams all on the road. Would be light years better than the situation they are in now. This makes no sense.
Nothing wrong with that record. I just happen to think that even with those two scoring, our record might not be that good. Fact is, teams can score on us at will right now. And more or less have been since February of last season.
And yeah, the schedule has been tough, but how many years did we complain about opening with Alabama? Need to be able to beat the good teams at some point.
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
Well, Smatz and Roy did show up for the Sunday Quinnipiac game and that was still an L. Maybe it flips the UMass game and the other Q game...so it'd be 2-5-1 and 1-2-1 in conference. Maybe with a goalie we get a win instead of a tie against Lowell. That net result wouldn't be bad.
The problem to me is that in those other games they were so lifeless that I don't think anything could have helped them. A team of 12 Roys wouldn't have beaten UVM or Lowell the way they played in those two home games. Those performances were absolute embarrassments to the program.
Well, Smatz and Roy did show up for the Sunday Quinnipiac game and that was still an L. Maybe it flips the UMass game and the other Q game...so it'd be 2-5-1 and 1-2-1 in conference. Maybe with a goalie we get a win instead of a tie against Lowell. That net result wouldn't be bad.
The problem to me is that in those other games they were so lifeless that I don't think anything could have helped them. A team of 12 Roys wouldn't have beaten UVM or Lowell the way they played in those two home games. Those performances were absolute embarrassments to the program.
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
Lets look at it from a different perspective. Roy and Szmatula are pointing but not at the clip where everyone thought they would be it could that they have different linemates every game the time they were together they had 3 different wingers. That is a huge issue plus we have had 0 points from players that play tons of minutes. Just look at the plus minus that tells the story. To get out of this tail spin JM must stop relying untested players even at the junior level it reminds me of baby ferriero. The vets must start playing and not having pond out there is a huge blunder you need the hitters even though he makes mistakes he throws his body he creates havoc out there. This can be turned around but it' must start from the vets the freshman that have been on a daze or struggling reference the plus minus must be scratched you don't win 19 games last year and then the next year go away from everything that made you successful. Put the burden on your older guys challenge there pride and let them stay together for more than a game.you don't see Lucic line changed game to game no wonder there is no chemistry. So Roy and Szmatula were put together and they start producing and that lasted 3 games however they had a different winger every game. I hope some line stays together for more than 1 game JM mentioned in his press or that he will tweek the lines but this is pure and simple Panic at its best
Lets look at it from a different perspective. Roy and Szmatula are pointing but not at the clip where everyone thought they would be it could that they have different linemates every game the time they were together they had 3 different wingers. That is a huge issue plus we have had 0 points from players that play tons of minutes. Just look at the plus minus that tells the story. To get out of this tail spin JM must stop relying untested players even at the junior level it reminds me of baby ferriero. The vets must start playing and not having pond out there is a huge blunder you need the hitters even though he makes mistakes he throws his body he creates havoc out there. This can be turned around but it' must start from the vets the freshman that have been on a daze or struggling reference the plus minus must be scratched you don't win 19 games last year and then the next year go away from everything that made you successful. Put the burden on your older guys challenge there pride and let them stay together for more than a game.you don't see Lucic line changed game to game no wonder there is no chemistry. So Roy and Szmatula were put together and they start producing and that lasted 3 games however they had a different winger every game. I hope some line stays together for more than 1 game JM mentioned in his press or that he will tweek the lines but this is pure and simple Panic at its best
walrus655321
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
I'll agree with some of that, this constant shuffling of the lines is ridiculous. They score 3 goals at Lowell the other night (OK, two on the PP, but still) and what does Madigan do? Moves a few guys around and they get shut out. I get it after a weekend like the Colgate weekend...but after that they played OK against UMass and QU and their reward for that was just more chaos.
I'll agree with some of that, this constant shuffling of the lines is ridiculous. They score 3 goals at Lowell the other night (OK, two on the PP, but still) and what does Madigan do? Moves a few guys around and they get shut out. I get it after a weekend like the Colgate weekend...but after that they played OK against UMass and QU and their reward for that was just more chaos.
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2014-15: Release the Hounds!
Joe Meloni has his three thoughts blog post up on Hockey East where he basically says everything those of us who have actually watched the games under JM the last 4 years have said, that without getting top notch goaltending, this team does not win due to the strategy being stayed pinned your own zone and never have clean breakouts.
19 wins last year was 19. Cannot take it away from them, but it really was a mirage to how blah the team really was in the end.
Joe Meloni has his three thoughts blog post up on Hockey East where he basically says everything those of us who have actually watched the games under JM the last 4 years have said, that without getting top notch goaltending, this team does not win due to the strategy being stayed pinned your own zone and never have clean breakouts.
19 wins last year was 19. Cannot take it away from them, but it really was a mirage to how blah the team really was in the end.
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