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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
Is there anything in print which states what Coach Madigan said?
Is there anything in print which states what Coach Madigan said?
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Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
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SkinsFan09
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
This post is littered with ridiculous notions.
1. Just because UNH had an answer up to that point doesn't mean they automatically would've won. For all you know a dejected UNH team collapses..hypothetically.
2. So what if it was just tied, it COMPLETELY changed momentum and the direction of the game. I'll happily go the rest of the way tied as opposed to down a goal on the road.
3. The officials have one job, to make correct calls. Doesn't matter if the team affected is bad, great, drunk, sober, high on PCP, lost to BU twice or whatever. The call was blown and a major outcome was affected. Period, end of story.
Do we win that game if McMurtry's goal was rightfully upheld, maybe not, maybe so, but outside circumstances don't negate that it was an inexcusable missed call and a failure of on-ice officials and more so Hockey East for not having proper camera angles mandated at every arena like competent leagues would have.
Oh and the goal they waived off for UNH is irrelevant in this discussion because the timeline of the game was altered by cheating us out of that goal. Game is played differently by both teams if it was tied like it should've been.
This post is littered with ridiculous notions.
1. Just because UNH had an answer up to that point doesn't mean they automatically would've won. For all you know a dejected UNH team collapses..hypothetically.
2. So what if it was just tied, it COMPLETELY changed momentum and the direction of the game. I'll happily go the rest of the way tied as opposed to down a goal on the road.
3. The officials have one job, to make correct calls. Doesn't matter if the team affected is bad, great, drunk, sober, high on PCP, lost to BU twice or whatever. The call was blown and a major outcome was affected. Period, end of story.
Do we win that game if McMurtry's goal was rightfully upheld, maybe not, maybe so, but outside circumstances don't negate that it was an inexcusable missed call and a failure of on-ice officials and more so Hockey East for not having proper camera angles mandated at every arena like competent leagues would have.
Oh and the goal they waived off for UNH is irrelevant in this discussion because the timeline of the game was altered by cheating us out of that goal. Game is played differently by both teams if it was tied like it should've been.
Dropkicknh
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
The quotes were not about the disallowed goal in any way. It was after the Sunday game saying they were screed because the refs didn't call a penalty for delay of game on Goumas's hat trick. He said the fish should have been the warning and the hats should have been the penalty. Hockey East has previously explicitly allowed the fish so the hats were the warning which is what happened. After watching him ***** out the refs at the end of game 1 and then see this it appeared a lot like sour grapes to me. His quotes are at the bottom of this article.
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20140318%2FGJSPORTS_01%2F140319361%2F-1%2FFOSSPORTS
The quotes were not about the disallowed goal in any way. It was after the Sunday game saying they were screed because the refs didn't call a penalty for delay of game on Goumas's hat trick. He said the fish should have been the warning and the hats should have been the penalty. Hockey East has previously explicitly allowed the fish so the hats were the warning which is what happened. After watching him ***** out the refs at the end of game 1 and then see this it appeared a lot like sour grapes to me. His quotes are at the bottom of this article.
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20140318%2FGJSPORTS_01%2F140319361%2F-1%2FFOSSPORTS
Dropkicknh
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
I was at this game watching from the far end away from the disallowed goal. When the play happened live even from the other end of the rink I could see the deflection and immediately knew the deflection was too high. With a lot of sticks in the area it is understandable for the ref to waive off the goal, and go to video review. I feel that looking at the play the ref made the right decision in the moment, and the lack of video available to them is what hindered the ability to get the call correct.
I was at this game watching from the far end away from the disallowed goal. When the play happened live even from the other end of the rink I could see the deflection and immediately knew the deflection was too high. With a lot of sticks in the area it is understandable for the ref to waive off the goal, and go to video review. I feel that looking at the play the ref made the right decision in the moment, and the lack of video available to them is what hindered the ability to get the call correct.
Split-N
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
You can find the entire presser (about 15 mins) at http://www.wrbbsports.com/. It's right at the top of the page and there's a slider that lets you FF along the audio track. The discussion about officials is just before the halfway mark and lasts maybe 6-7 mins.
FWIW, I didn't hear anything that would approach public criticism of a game official. Certainly nothing that would remotely justify a suspension. What he was criticizing was the quality of the replay video the officials had to work with and not the officials themselves. (According to reports, the on-ice officials didn't have access to playbacks from all of the cameras available.)
The day before, Jeff Jackson (Notre Dame) came right out and said point blank that the reason his team lost to BC that day was the officiating. (BTW, Jackson is my nominee for this year's Whiney Award since he's been blaming officials for his problems almost since the first puck dropped.
You can find the entire presser (about 15 mins) at http://www.wrbbsports.com/. It's right at the top of the page and there's a slider that lets you FF along the audio track. The discussion about officials is just before the halfway mark and lasts maybe 6-7 mins.
FWIW, I didn't hear anything that would approach public criticism of a game official. Certainly nothing that would remotely justify a suspension. What he was criticizing was the quality of the replay video the officials had to work with and not the officials themselves. (According to reports, the on-ice officials didn't have access to playbacks from all of the cameras available.)
The day before, Jeff Jackson (Notre Dame) came right out and said point blank that the reason his team lost to BC that day was the officiating. (BTW, Jackson is my nominee for this year's Whiney Award since he's been blaming officials for his problems almost since the first puck dropped.
supertacks
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
Absolutely nothing Jim Madigan said in his March 16, 2014 post game press conference warranted a suspension. Frankly, I thought he showed a ton of class and restraint with the words he used to address the media and in manner in which he described the way his team battled UNH.
As previously posted, his full 3/16/14 press conference is available on www.wrbbsports.com and linked on twitter @wrbbsports.
Absolutely nothing Jim Madigan said in his March 16, 2014 post game press conference warranted a suspension. Frankly, I thought he showed a ton of class and restraint with the words he used to address the media and in manner in which he described the way his team battled UNH.
As previously posted, his full 3/16/14 press conference is available on www.wrbbsports.com and linked on twitter @wrbbsports.
northeastern
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
Bertagna has his favorites in HE.. he's been around long.. just like Umile, York, (Parker).. etc
some guys under similar circumstances would have got different treatment.
Madigan.. not so much. He's sending him a msg early.. sucks but it is what it is.
Bertagna has his favorites in HE.. he's been around long.. just like Umile, York, (Parker).. etc
some guys under similar circumstances would have got different treatment.
Madigan.. not so much. He's sending him a msg early.. sucks but it is what it is.
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
I never mentioned that goal in my post.
I do not believe that the tie goal changes anything because I am not a big believer in momentum swings or anything along those lines. You know why I think even if that goal counts NU still comes up short in the end? Because all game long NU was trailing, and ALL GAME LONG UNH CAME UP WITH ANOTHER GOAL!!!! Down 2-0, we get it to 2-1, UNH scores to make it 3-1. Where is the momentum then? NU gets it to 3-3, gives up another to make 4-3. Where is all the momentum when we tie it up?
Look, i do not believe the boogey man or Bertagna is out to get NU. No reason for it. THe league, other teams do not need to find ways to screw with us, we screw it up ourselves EVERY TIME! Hence the weekend prior.
Did the goal not counting hurt? Yeah, of course. Do I think it keeps NU from winning the game. No. Do I think it was some kind of "screw-job"? No. It was a close series the whole weekend where NU never had a lead, got an OT goal to win one game, and managed to keep the other two close. Dont want to play on the road in a place where you never win, dont lose games against suck teams.
I never mentioned that goal in my post.
I do not believe that the tie goal changes anything because I am not a big believer in momentum swings or anything along those lines. You know why I think even if that goal counts NU still comes up short in the end? Because all game long NU was trailing, and ALL GAME LONG UNH CAME UP WITH ANOTHER GOAL!!!! Down 2-0, we get it to 2-1, UNH scores to make it 3-1. Where is the momentum then? NU gets it to 3-3, gives up another to make 4-3. Where is all the momentum when we tie it up?
Look, i do not believe the boogey man or Bertagna is out to get NU. No reason for it. THe league, other teams do not need to find ways to screw with us, we screw it up ourselves EVERY TIME! Hence the weekend prior.
Did the goal not counting hurt? Yeah, of course. Do I think it keeps NU from winning the game. No. Do I think it was some kind of "screw-job"? No. It was a close series the whole weekend where NU never had a lead, got an OT goal to win one game, and managed to keep the other two close. Dont want to play on the road in a place where you never win, dont lose games against suck teams.
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
Really? Do you actually watch sports, or are you a robot?
Really? Do you actually watch sports, or are you a robot?
northeastern
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
I don't think Bertagna is out to get NU either..
However, he displayed a double standard. Madigan is not in the 'inner circle of trust'
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Keep it the same for all the Coaches in HE, or don't keep it the same for any. He eeks it out at his discretion.. more like a knee jerk reaction.
This should never have been made public to begin with. Just have JM serve the 1 gm & issue a couple lines statement day of or right after the gm. This is just one more example of why the old guard in HE needs to be cleaned out.
I don't think Bertagna is out to get NU either..
However, he displayed a double standard. Madigan is not in the 'inner circle of trust'
.Keep it the same for all the Coaches in HE, or don't keep it the same for any. He eeks it out at his discretion.. more like a knee jerk reaction.
This should never have been made public to begin with. Just have JM serve the 1 gm & issue a couple lines statement day of or right after the gm. This is just one more example of why the old guard in HE needs to be cleaned out.
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
If there was such a thing as momentum, UNH would have run away and won 10-0 after going up 2-0. Or 10-1 after going up 3-1. UNH did not seemed to be bothered to much about NU scoring that night, all they did was go out and score another goal!
Again, score is tied 3-3, NU has ALL THE MOMENTUM, then what happened? Oh ya, UNH scored again! So much for momentum.
Or you know all season long when NU goes on the PP and has all the momentum, the other teams just couldnt handle everything going against them and folded. No, they went out and scored shorthanded goals against us like it was going out of style. Or maybe we never got momentum going on the PP because we knew we were bad at it?
As for JM and the suspension, its dumb and its a double standard. It also doesnt matter. Like missing him for one game, the first game of the season is going to matter? I am sure Keefe and Foley can handle standing there and yelling at refs. Might even help JM to see a game from the stands or the press box. Get a look at the team from a different view. Like they do with freshmen.
If there was such a thing as momentum, UNH would have run away and won 10-0 after going up 2-0. Or 10-1 after going up 3-1. UNH did not seemed to be bothered to much about NU scoring that night, all they did was go out and score another goal!
Again, score is tied 3-3, NU has ALL THE MOMENTUM, then what happened? Oh ya, UNH scored again! So much for momentum.
Or you know all season long when NU goes on the PP and has all the momentum, the other teams just couldnt handle everything going against them and folded. No, they went out and scored shorthanded goals against us like it was going out of style. Or maybe we never got momentum going on the PP because we knew we were bad at it?
As for JM and the suspension, its dumb and its a double standard. It also doesnt matter. Like missing him for one game, the first game of the season is going to matter? I am sure Keefe and Foley can handle standing there and yelling at refs. Might even help JM to see a game from the stands or the press box. Get a look at the team from a different view. Like they do with freshmen.
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northeastern
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
JM sitting out one gm.. you're right, may/ may not matter. Now NU Hockey.. one gm .. W/L.. ask us if it didn't matter this season..
Enjoy the NCAAs everyone..
JM sitting out one gm.. you're right, may/ may not matter. Now NU Hockey.. one gm .. W/L.. ask us if it didn't matter this season..
Enjoy the NCAAs everyone..
SkinsFan09
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
I blame HEA more than the refs.
I blame HEA more than the refs.
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
I'm not a forensics expert and I don't even watch any of the CSI shows, but I just watched the tape of the game again and it was blatantly clear both in live action and on replay that the stick with the white tape was the high stick and the one with the black tape wasn't even above the crossbar at any point until he started celebrating the goal. All the ref had to do was to determine who had the white tape on his stick and that was clearly the UNH player. I would agree that it may be tough to tell from the far end, and perhaps it was tough to tell in live action who had the white tape on his stick, but it was clear as day after the play ended that the UNH player had the white tape. Even if the video they had access to was in black and white, you should be able to tell white tape from black tape by the different shades. Was the quality of the video the refs watched similar to the Zapruder film? Did the refs not consider the tape color in reaching a conclusion? Don't get it. Inexcusable.
I'm not a forensics expert and I don't even watch any of the CSI shows, but I just watched the tape of the game again and it was blatantly clear both in live action and on replay that the stick with the white tape was the high stick and the one with the black tape wasn't even above the crossbar at any point until he started celebrating the goal. All the ref had to do was to determine who had the white tape on his stick and that was clearly the UNH player. I would agree that it may be tough to tell from the far end, and perhaps it was tough to tell in live action who had the white tape on his stick, but it was clear as day after the play ended that the UNH player had the white tape. Even if the video they had access to was in black and white, you should be able to tell white tape from black tape by the different shades. Was the quality of the video the refs watched similar to the Zapruder film? Did the refs not consider the tape color in reaching a conclusion? Don't get it. Inexcusable.
walrus655321
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Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
They believe in the Magic Stick Theory rather than there being a second puck shooter from the grassy knoll.
They believe in the Magic Stick Theory rather than there being a second puck shooter from the grassy knoll.
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
The game that matters is the last game you lose. How many undefeated teams in the tournament this year? How many 1 loss or 2 loss teams? Everybody loses a game or 2.
JM sitting out one gm.. you're right, may/ may not matter. Now NU Hockey.. one gm .. W/L.. ask us if it didn't matter this season..
Enjoy the NCAAs everyone..
The game that matters is the last game you lose. How many undefeated teams in the tournament this year? How many 1 loss or 2 loss teams? Everybody loses a game or 2.
Re: Northeastern Huskies 2013-14 Season Thread II: In Witt we Trust
The situation reminds me of the baseball player who proved that he'd fouled a pitch off his foot by showing the ump his shoe polish on the ball. I think I'll offer JM a one year supply of fluorescent orange stick tape that we can used to help the 4 blind mice!
I like your creative analysis.
The situation reminds me of the baseball player who proved that he'd fouled a pitch off his foot by showing the ump his shoe polish on the ball. I think I'll offer JM a one year supply of fluorescent orange stick tape that we can used to help the 4 blind mice!
walrus655321
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As long as he doesn't pull a Bill Cowher and stuff pictures of a missed too many men on the ice call in a ref's front pocket
I like your creative analysis.
The situation reminds me of the baseball player who proved that he'd fouled a pitch off his foot by showing the ump his shoe polish on the ball. I think I'll offer JM a one year supply of fluorescent orange stick tape that we can used to help the 4 blind mice!
As long as he doesn't pull a Bill Cowher and stuff pictures of a missed too many men on the ice call in a ref's front pocket