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Nice Planet 14: You People Make Me Sick

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Kepler said:
Hopefully if there's a video there's a charge.

I'm not wild about taking action against somebody solely on an accusation. Yes, a private entity has that right, but that's not the same as a should.
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This.
 
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Sorry, but your employer is within their right to suspend you from operations if you've, "called the good name of the company into question, suspicion, or ridicule", innocent or guilty. I remember this going all the way back to Catholic school, which had the same policy for students.
 
Kepler said:
Hopefully if there's a video there's a charge.

I'm not wild about taking action against somebody solely on an accusation. Yes, a private entity has that right, but that's not the same as a should.
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And in instances where it's just "an accusation" solely because trials are backed up, but the private entity is certain he's guilty days agree it happened?

Or where the private party knows but the criminal system screws up and let's a guilty man go free?
 
Kepler said:
Hopefully if there's a video there's a charge.

I'm not wild about taking action against somebody solely on an accusation. Yes, a private entity has that right, but that's not the same as a should.
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You might sing a different tune if it's your team/company taking the heat...

And again no one is saying the player/employee should be kicked out/fired he has a right to defend himself and if he is innocent in court he can sue for his missed wages and defamation.

And again the court conviction standard is lame. By that standard Michigan State did nothing wrong nor did the players and coaches at Baylor. No college athlete at a major school would ever be punished because evidence is scant and we all know every chick wants to gang bang the football team :rolleyes:
 
unofan said:
And in instances where it's just "an accusation" solely because trials are backed up, but the private entity is certain he's guilty days agree it happened?

Or where the private party knows but the criminal system screws up and let's a guilty man go free?
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No conviction so no punishment.

Hey the 1919 Sox were truly screwed!!!
 
MinnesotaNorthStar said:
I don't think anyone is saying that. There is nothing stopping the company/school/league from doing their own investigation and arriving at their own conclusion before the court.

I would argue they have a responsibility to.
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Brent literally talked about there being no conviction so I disagree. He definitely is saying no conviction no punishment.
 
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Handyman said:
Brent literally talked about there being no conviction so I disagree. He definitely is saying no conviction no punishment.
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I did say that, I'll own up. As Kepler said, the teams/businesses/etc have the right to dole out their own punishment (for lack of a better word). It just doesn't mean they *should*. They *can*, though.

Edit: think of it as a criminal case vs a civil case. That sort of thing.
 
Brenthoven said:
I did say that, I'll own up. As Kepler said, the teams/businesses/etc have the right to dole out their own punishment (for lack of a better word). It just doesn't mean they *should*. They *can*, though.

Edit: think of it as a criminal case vs a civil case. That sort of thing.
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I'm not thinking of it as any case...teams and businesses aren't courts of law.
 
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Handyman said:
I'm not thinking of it as any case...teams and businesses aren't courts of law.
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That's where my civil case POV kicks in. You can be "not guilty" but still pay a price. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it is a consequence of giving your employer a black eye.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I did say that, I'll own up. As Kepler said, the teams/businesses/etc have the right to dole out their own punishment (for lack of a better word). It just doesn't mean they *should*. They *can*, though.

Edit: think of it as a criminal case vs a civil case. That sort of thing.
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They can, and they should. What if that hypothetical video was obtained improperly and is therefore inadmissible in court and the accused is therefore found Not Guilty. Is the team supposed to ignore the fact that their player committed a crime just because the state was not able to prove it beyond reasonable doubt within the court's rules of evidence?
 
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unofan said:
And in instances where it's just "an accusation" solely because trials are backed up, but the private entity is certain he's guilty days agree it happened?

Or where the private party knows but the criminal system screws up and let's a guilty man go free?
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Trials being backed up doesn't stop the cops from arresting you and charging you, and you getting arraigned* or at least an arraignment scheduled (* note: I spent less than 10 weeks in law school and never took Criminal Procedure, so I know nothing -- but I thought habeus corpus means the accused has to be either charged expeditiously or released).

I already said the private company has the right to apply the "no bad publicity" standard. An entertainment entity like pro sports will be tempted to do so (unless you're a star). And I fully appreciate both that courts are unfair and societal pressures bend HARD against women accusers. But presumption of innocence is precious.
 
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