NFL 2016-17 II: Playoffs, Super Bowl, and Offseason

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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#22 - Tennessee Titans
Points: 78.9047
Super Bowl Championships: 0
NFL Championships: 0*
Playoff Appearances: 21 (14-19 (0.424))

The Tennessee Titans come in at #22 on this list. The Titans began their history in the American Football League in 1960 as the Houston Oilers. As the Oilers, they won the first two AFL Championships in 1960 and 1961, and were runner-up in 1962 and 1967. While in Houston, the franchise had many successes, but were unable to reach the Super Bowl. The Oilers reached the AFC Championship game in 1978 and 1979, and made 7 straight postseason appearances from 1987-1993. Indeed, in total, the Titans franchise has made 21 postseason appearances, the 4th most for any franchise without winning a Super Bowl. Following the 1996 season, the franchise moved to Tennessee and changed their nickname to the Titans beginning with the 1999 season. The 1999 season was arguably the greatest season in franchise history, as the Titans went 13-3 and advanced to Super Bowl XXXIV, coming up one yard short of forcing overtime against the Rams. The Titans would get back to the AFC Title game in 2002, but fell to Oakland, and lost in the Divisional round to Baltimore in 2008 after posting a 13-3 regular season record. Tennessee has largely struggled since 2008, failing to reach the postseason and posting only 1 +.500 season. The Titans do look like a franchise on the rise, however, and T-Rac and the Tennessee faithful will hope to bring home more hardware, including an elusive Lombardi Trophy, in the near future.

#22 - Tennessee Titans: 78.9047 Points
#23 - Los Angeles Chargers: 68.583 Points
#24 - New York Jets: 57.2376 Points
#25 - New Orleans Saints: 51.8186 Points
#26 - Arizona Cardinals: 49.1015 Points
#27 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 44.2051 Points
#28 - Cincinnati Bengals: 42.3729 Points
#29 - Atlanta Falcons: 40.6032 Points
#30 - Carolina Panthers: 38.3619 Points
#31 - Jacksonville Jaguars: 9.9472 Points
#32 - Houston Texans: 9.4392 Points

*The Titans won the 1960 and 1961 AFL Championship while playing as the Houston Oilers.

 

[JF_Gophers]

Re: NFL 2016-17 II: Playoffs, Super Bowl, and Offseason

I'm surprised winning a SB counts for so little for the Jets. Does your method have recency bias?

 

[Kepler]

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Although your existence possibly explains why so many people hate the Patriots so maybe there's something to it...

This is unfair. I hated Boston fans long before I ever met Rover.

 

[Kepler]

Re: NFL 2016-17 II: Playoffs, Super Bowl, and Offseason

I'm surprised winning a SB counts for so little for the Jets. Does your method have recency bias?

There are a lot of REALLY bad years offsetting that.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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I'm surprised winning a SB counts for so little for the Jets. Does your method have recency bias?

Only to the extent that the NFL plays 2 more games than it did back in the day, but that has no impact on the weight given to Super Bowl titles. Keep in mind that the Jets have historically struggled as a franchise. They only have 4 division titles, have one of the worst winning percentages, have only 14 playoff appearances, and 1 Super Bowl appearance. Had they lost Super Bowl III, the Jets would likely be fighting with the Panthers for the #30 spot.

It's really a similar case with the Saints. They have a recent Super Bowl win, but have also historically struggled as a franchise. They sit behind the Jets because they have 4 fewer playoff appearances, 5 fewer playoff wins, and the second worst winning percentage in the NFL. Without their title, they would likely be below the Panthers.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I'm surprised winning a SB counts for so little for the Jets. Does your method have recency bias?

There are only 2 teams that didn't win a title that haven't been listed yet...Buffalo and Minnesota. The Chargers and Titans both have AFL titles...not sure how much weight he gave to those. Two other teams with a single super bowl win are left too...Kansas City and Seattle. It's really not that bad especially if you give the Chargers/Titans championships or near championship points for their AFL titles.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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There are only 2 teams that didn't win a title that haven't been listed yet...Buffalo and Minnesota. The Chargers and Titans both have AFL titles...not sure how much weight he gave to those. Two other teams with a single super bowl win are left too...Kansas City and Seattle. It's really not that bad especially if you give the Chargers/Titans championships or near championship points for their AFL titles.

Buffalo has 2 AFL Championships, and Minnesota has an NFL Championship.

 

[St. Clown]

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There are only 2 teams that didn't win a title that haven't been listed yet...Buffalo and Minnesota. The Chargers and Titans both have AFL titles...not sure how much weight he gave to those. Two other teams with a single super bowl win are left too...Kansas City and Seattle. It's really not that bad especially if you give the Chargers/Titans championships or near championship points for their AFL titles.

The Vikings own an NFL Championship title to their record, back when the Super Bowl was held between the two competing leagues, not conferences.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Buffalo has 2 AFL Championships, and Minnesota has an NFL Championship.

The Vikings own an NFL Championship title to their record, back when the Super Bowl was held between the two competing leagues, not conferences.

Yes, I know the Vikings have an NFL championship, but it is not considered a "Championship" because it was during the Super Bowl era...overlooked the Buffalo titles though in my haste to make the post.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Yes, I know the Vikings have an NFL championship, but it is not considered a "Championship" because it was during the Super Bowl era...overlooked the Buffalo titles though in my haste to make the post.

The NFL considers it a Championship.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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The NFL considers it a Championship.

Ok, sure but I doubt you give it the same weight as the Detroit Lions NFL titles pre-Super Bowl or any of the Dallas Cowboys Super Bowl titles post merger? An NFL Title from 1966 to 1969 should not have the same weight...

 

[Kepler]

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Ok, sure but I doubt you give it the same weight as the Detroit Lions NFL titles pre-Super Bowl or any of the Dallas Cowboys Super Bowl titles post merger? An NFL Title from 1966 to 1969 should not have the same weight...

I'd weight a title by the number of teams in the pool from which that title was derived: 32 in 2016, 26 in 1973, 10 in 1945, etc. In 1965 Green Bay's NFL title is worth 14 and Buffalo's AFL title is worth 8. In 1966 the Packer's Super Bowl win is 15+9 = 24. The Chiefs get nothing for their AFL title because it is non-terminal.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Ok, sure but I doubt you give it the same weight as the Detroit Lions NFL titles pre-Super Bowl or any of the Dallas Cowboys Super Bowl titles post merger? An NFL Title from 1966 to 1969 should not have the same weight...

It's an identical accomplishment to any pre-merger NFL title after 1932 (when they stopped naming NFL Champions and began playing an NFL Championship Game). Why should it not have the same weight?

 

[Rover]

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I never take this place seriously, Shirley.

And I believe you just like I believe Trump's son about that meeting with the Russians.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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I'd weight a title by the number of teams in the pool from which that title was derived: 32 in 2016, 26 in 1973, 10 in 1945, etc. In 1965 Green Bay's NFL title is worth 14 and Buffalo's AFL title is worth 8. In 1966 the Packer's Super Bowl win is 15+9 = 24. The Chiefs get nothing for their AFL title because it is non-terminal.

That is an interesting way to weight titles, although I disagree that the Chiefs should be punished for playing an extra, non-league game.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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It's an identical accomplishment to any pre-merger NFL title after 1932 (when they stopped naming NFL Champions and began playing an NFL Championship Game). Why should it not have the same weight?

It should be weighted the same as winning an NFC Championship game...it was not the ultimate prize in that moment in time...

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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It should be weighted the same as winning an NFC Championship game...it was not the ultimate prize in that moment in time...

So should the 1960-1965 NFL/AFL Championships (along with all other years where there was more than 1 professional league) be split in weight since neither champion could claim an outright championship?

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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So should the 1960-1965 NFL/AFL Championships (along with all other years where there was more than 1 league) be split in weight since neither champion could claim an outright championship?

no because until the NFL agreed to play the AFL, the NFL was the league. We wouldn't give equal weight between the Super Champ and the XFL/USFL champion? The agreement to play each other in what became the Super Bowl is what gives the AFL its ultimate credibility...obviously I wasn't alive then to know what it was like to experience the NFL/AFL relationship pre-merger...

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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no because until the NFL agreed to play the AFL, the NFL was the league. We wouldn't give equal weight between the Super Champ and the XFL/USFL champion? The agreement to play each other in what became the Super Bowl is what gives the AFL its ultimate credibility...obviously I wasn't alive then to know what it was like to experience the NFL/AFL relationship pre-merger...

The NFL went 50% against the AFL. Hard to just say the NFL was the league when the facts that we have show that they were equals.

ETA: At the end of the day, I believe identical accomplishments should be weighted the same, and that is how my formula is done. If you want to argue that championships won that were not the "ultimate prize," then logically you should also accept that NFL Championships won between 1960-1965 should be weighed the same as NFL Championships won between 1966-1969. I understand you want to say that the NFL Championship pre-Super Bowl was the "ultimate prize," but there is simply no hard evidence to support that, and it is also flawed when you start looking at how the NFL compared with the AFL when they did play in the Super Bowl (i.e. they won as many times as they lost suggesting that the league champions were equal).

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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The NFL went 50% against the AFL. Hard to just say the NFL was the league when the facts that we have show that they were equals.

ETA: At the end of the day, I believe identical accomplishments should be weighted the same, and that is how my formula is done. If you want to argue that championships won that were not the "ultimate prize," then logically you should also accept that NFL Championships won between 1960-1965 should be weighed the same as NFL Championships won between 1966-1969. I understand you want to say that the NFL Championship pre-Super Bowl was the "ultimate prize," but there is simply no hard evidence to support that, and it is also flawed when you start looking at how the NFL compared with the AFL when they did play in the Super Bowl (i.e. they won as many times as they lost suggesting that the league champions were equal).

but they didn't win until the third try...I understand that we're talking about 4 games, but its hard to say that 1960s AFL was on par wit 1960 NFL. I guess I understand your distinction that we don't really know and from what I read it makes some sense to give the AFL a level value with the number of stolen draft picks, etc...the USFL did that too...