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NFL 2014-15: Iron Fist Getting Rusty?

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Gurtholfin said:
Couldn't be much more surprised by this either. I'm not naive enough to think that you can spot a child abuser, but I wouldn't have guessed AP for this.

Too bad.

I don't like the Vikings but I respect talent and greatness when the individual carries himself with class. Same way I felt about Chris Carter even though he crushed our hearts from time to time.

Moss can go suck balls though. :mad::p:D
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Cris Carter was not well-received in the locker room, IIRC. Complete arse.

Moss had his good and bad moments, but the guy did a ton of non-publicized charity work. He didn't want to have that work look like photo-ops, etc, from what I've heard.
 
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Well, this is interesting:

http://vikingsmessageboard.com

Is that the Vikings equivalent to GPL? Or is it just a minor one without too many of you rubes to populate it?

Scarlet said:
So, Jonathan Papelbon got seven games for grabbing his own crotch and Adrian Peterson got one game for hitting his four-year-old's crotch with a stick. Hmmm.
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AP hasn't "got" anything yet. Vikings (and NFL?) are waiting for the situation to play out legally first.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Cris Carter was not well-received in the locker room, IIRC. Complete arse.

Moss had his good and bad moments, but the guy did a ton of non-publicized charity work. He didn't want to have that work look like photo-ops, etc, from what I've heard.
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Now you're just talking jibberish.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Well, this is interesting:

http://vikingsmessageboard.com

Is that the Vikings equivalent to GPL? Or is it just a minor one without too many of you rubes to populate it?
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24711321/vikings-message-board-shuts-down-calls-teams-handling-of-peterson-cowardly


"Vikings Message Board has been shut down permanently. It will not return. There are two primary reasons.

"1. The Vikings cowardly decision to reinstate a child abuser and think that an apology will make this blow over. We will not stand for this arrogance and we will no longer be the home of any support of the Vikings. We stand for those who cannot defend themselves.

"2. We will not give a voice to thugs who think child abuse is "cultural" or worse, openly advocate child abuse as a reasonable method of punishment. This ends here. Yes, a few board members have ruined it for everyone. Congratulations, a--holes."
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Never heard of it before today.
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Seems like a relatively small board, but it's another domino.

I'll be interesting to see how long the Wilfs can hold out. Speilman was made to look like a world class asshat today. i realize that it's his job, but the Wilfs should come out and answer the questions... not that they'd have the stones.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Cris Carter was not well-received in the locker room, IIRC. Complete arse.

Moss had his good and bad moments, but the guy did a ton of non-publicized charity work. He didn't want to have that work look like photo-ops, etc, from what I've heard.
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I met Chris Carter and Robert Smith back in '93, was around them both for a few hours during an autograph session at Best Buy where I was working and assigned as crowd control right at the table. Carter was a ******* all around, Smith seemed like a genuinely good guy.
 
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I've heard that about Smith. I guess John Randle was another really good guy. A buddy met him once, and he said Randle was really genuine.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I've heard that about Smith. I guess John Randle was another really good guy. A buddy met him once, and he said Randle was really genuine.
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Yeah, Randle lived along the northern boarder of Lakeville, in a cheap section of the city where some of my friends in high school lived. He had one of the cheaper houses in town, but his cars, trucks, etc. were all nice. They said much the same as your buddy with regards to him personally.
 
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You guys are turning my world upside down. :D
 
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So much outrage yet people are still going to watch the games. Why should the NFL care if they have nothing to lose regardless of what they do?

No one seemed to care about the dozens of violence cases prior to Rice's. It's no wonder teams don't know how to handle these situations.
 
ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Well, this is interesting:

http://vikingsmessageboard.com

Is that the Vikings equivalent to GPL? Or is it just a minor one without too many of you rubes to populate it?



AP hasn't "got" anything yet. Vikings (and NFL?) are waiting for the situation to play out legally first.
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No, he was deactivated by the team for one game. And I get two different sports, two different governing bodies, I get baseball plays more games. What I'm saying is MLB responded quickly when a player did something ridiculous and not considered a crime.
 
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At what point to people think discipline on the part of either the Vikings or NFL is appropriate?

Ray Rice admitted to his crime. Peterson hasn't been convicted of anything yet, nor has he admitted any wrongdoing yet, at least as far as I know.

It's fine to get out the pitchforks and torches every time someone is accused of something bad. But two thoughts.

First, if the NFL and Vikings "convict" Peterson for these acts by punishing him, is anyone worried about the possible impact on the criminal case, and the fairness of any trial he might receive?

Second, what if Peterson is acquitted? Wouldn't be the first time that has happened to someone charged with a crime. Does he get the lost games back (we know he doesn't get his reputation back)?
 
SJHovey said:
At what point to people think discipline on the part of either the Vikings or NFL is appropriate?

Ray Rice admitted to his crime. Peterson hasn't been convicted of anything yet, nor has he admitted any wrongdoing yet, at least as far as I know.

It's fine to get out the pitchforks and torches every time someone is accused of something bad. But two thoughts.

First, if the NFL and Vikings "convict" Peterson for these acts by punishing him, is anyone worried about the possible impact on the criminal case, and the fairness of any trial he might receive?

Second, what if Peterson is acquitted? Wouldn't be the first time that has happened to someone charged with a crime. Does he get the lost games back (we know he doesn't get his reputation back)?
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Guilt or innocence isn't that important when it comes to suspensions for possible criminal acts.

Most work places would fire or suspend (possibly paid) you while the case was ongoing. Then decide if you could return once it's resolved.

Just the implication of a crime looks bad for a company. So they don't wait to act.
 
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He admitted hitting the boy with the stick and hasn't denied the authenticity of the photos.

He essentially confessed. Really no need to wait for a trial to decide whether it's acceptable or not.
 
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Scarlet said:
No, he was deactivated by the team for one game. And I get two different sports, two different governing bodies, I get baseball plays more games. What I'm saying is MLB responded quickly when a player did something ridiculous and not considered a crime.
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MLB and the NFL are two different situations entirely. Where the NFL has been only growing over the past couple decades, MLB has been in the decline. This causes less wiggle room for MLB while the NFL has been playing the game of trying to figure out how to appear tough on issues like this and yet still protect its top talent so as to keep the games as exciting as possible. Prior to these reports surfacing, people in MN loved Peterson. Right now there's a mixed bag of people walking around with purple-colored glasses and those who are disgusted. Many fans have vowed not to watch any games until AP has been suspended again, others are claiming to wait until the legal process plays out (looking for an excuse not to stop watching, IMO), and those who won't let something "minor" like this interrupt their football fandom. While all of that might sound identical to what you'd expect with baseball, MLB just doesn't have as large of a fanbase outside the Northeastern portion of the country anymore.

SJHovey said:
Ray Rice admitted to his crime. Peterson hasn't been convicted of anything yet, nor has he admitted any wrongdoing yet, at least as far as I know.
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Peterson has admitted to the acts he committed, but and admission of any wrongdoing has not yet happened. He fully believed he was acting in the child's best interests when switching the child because that's how he was raised. He's since either been shown the light, so to speak, or simply shown a script, where he has said that he now sees how his method of punishing his boy could be seen as wrong.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Guilt or innocence isn't that important when it comes to suspensions for possible criminal acts.

Most work places would fire or suspend (possibly paid) you while the case was ongoing. Then decide if you could return once it's resolved.

Just the implication of a crime looks bad for a company. So they don't wait to act.
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One of the guys in my office got caught in a Loring Park sting about four years ago. He was given three options: quit, retire, or be fired. His courtroom procedings weren't for a few months yet. (For non-Minnesotans, Loring Park is a Minneapolis park known for its illicit man-on-man action.)
 
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I always get a bit uncomfortable when an employer (by that I mean those who don't typically make employment status publicly known) get involved with things outside of work. I mean, if someone gets a DUI or is busted with a joint, I'm hesitant to say the employer should be involved. Unless the employee is a publicly known representative like a pro athlete, a spokesperson, etc. Or if it would affect job performance. Like a DUI off the job for a delivery driver.

I don't have to worry about such things but I don't want my employer dictating my private life.

Ymmv. I can also see the other side of this.
 
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