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New D1 coaches needed?
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Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
In 2011 Coach Deraney signed an extension to 2017 which was extended again last year, but no length was stated. It’s possible it was only for one year and the school decided it was time to go with a new head coach.
Sean
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Agree with this sentiment. He also helped bring visibility to the sport and the accomplishments of the athletes via social media, be it interviews, video clips or twitter. Not a small thing when you consider the lack of coverage in women’s sports.
Providence wouldn't and shouldn't know who applied at Brown. I have to believe that info is confidential isn't it?! Agree the decision itself seems strange as does the timing considering they had a much improved season except for the playoff results. His overall record is above .500 which doesn't typically result in being fired. There are plenty of other programs that I can think of that should be replacing their head coach before Providence. This is a sad decision. Good guy. Good coach. But maybe they want a great coach. Good luck to them finding that.
For sure, I don’t think Brown can just hand over their candidate list. But sometimes these things get out. I wouldn’t be surprised if people in the hockey community know who interviewed for the Brown job.
On the flip side of it, I wonder if applicants who were willing to take on the challenge of Brown, would also be interested in Providence.
Providence would be challenging in a different way, in that the new coach will be inheriting a program coming off a winning season, so expectations for immediate success would presumably be higher. Getting and staying to middle of the pack in the ECAC is probably a similar challenge to getting and staying in the middle of pack of HE. From the perspective of a Brown or Providence, winning either league is a great challenge, no difference there.
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HockeyEast33
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I believe that the challenge at Brown in terms of being middle of the pack or higher is WAY greater than Providence. Two reasons:
- Academics - the available pool of players for Brown is dramatically smaller than the available pool of players for Providence based on admissions requirements.
- School Interest - Brown could care less whether their women's hockey team has any success (obviously) as long as they don't embarrass the school itself (getting close with Digit Murphy and again currently). Brown in general doesn't place a high emphasis on their sports team success -- except for football and basketball because they generate alum contributions. Providence does care about the success of all of their athletic programs and will bend the academic requirements to get players in. Deraney had a lot of opportunity and support to get high quality players to Providence he just generally wasn't successful in the recent past. The new Providence coach will get support and funding to be successful, the Brown coach will be limited in that support.
I believe that the challenge at Brown in terms of being middle of the pack or higher is WAY greater than Providence. Two reasons:
- Academics - the available pool of players for Brown is dramatically smaller than the available pool of players for Providence based on admissions requirements.
- School Interest - Brown could care less whether their women's hockey team has any success (obviously) as long as they don't embarrass the school itself (getting close with Digit Murphy and again currently). Brown in general doesn't place a high emphasis on their sports team success -- except for football and basketball because they generate alum contributions. Providence does care about the success of all of their athletic programs and will bend the academic requirements to get players in. Deraney had a lot of opportunity and support to get high quality players to Providence he just generally wasn't successful in the recent past. The new Providence coach will get support and funding to be successful, the Brown coach will be limited in that support.
I think what I was trying to say was whether you have to get past BC or Clarkson to win a conference championship, you have your work cut out for you. Certainly Brown has more work to do than Providence.
As for getting to the middle of the ECAC, if Brown can beat three Ivies and RPI and Union, they are middle of the pack. That’s not an unrealistic bar, when you consider other programs have down years etc. Hopefully the new coach can work on administration to get the support needed to be better than a perennial bottom dweller in a league. For all the excuses we make for the Ivies, they have a lot going for them and should be better than what Brown has been for the last very long while.
Edit: I know coaching has been a mess at Brown for a long time. With a good coach who can work on administration for support, as well as coach, Brown should be better than what they’ve been. I don’t see why the past has to dictate the future.
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The past doesn’t have to dictate the past but to change it has to come from the top and the academics running the college must value athletics enough to make it a priority. They haven’t had a president who was truly willing to support since Gregarian in the 90’s (Gee only had 2 years after so he might not have been bad but Simmons was a disaster). Individually I don’t see a young coach in a non revenue sport influencing them. If Whittet an alum hasn’t gotten the needed support in 9 years and is halfway out the door there needs to be a major cultural change
Providence right now is the opposite end of the spectrum. They have as noted emphasized success. Over the past 5-10 years they have replaced many coaches, starting with the big men’s sports and recently to revive a long dormant women’s basketball program. In one way I suspect Deraney’s downfall was in part due to being well paid compared to many of his contemporaries, yes also longevity, but also due to PC’s desire to win.
You wondered about Brown’s coaching candidates applying to PC. I’m sure some will wishfully apply. However recent track record says the AD fishes in an entirely different pond. Division 1 head coaching and winning there have been a prerequisite in his recent searches. They already budget in an above average pay. Money talks—the women b-ball Coach was brought on after 2 decades at St Bonaventure, Leaman was pulled away from a team set up for long term success at Union (the basis of a national champion was in place). To make this move I would venture a guess they are confident they can lure a coach with a winning track record away from a good program. At the least several coaches are going to leverage this into nice raises at their present school
Wow, that's sad to hear.
BlizzardDad
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Re: New D1 coaches needed?
Disagree - Until She has all her recruits it is not fair to say she has made no improvement. If not for the late skid last 2 weeks of the season they get home ice for playoffs.
Disagree - Until She has all her recruits it is not fair to say she has made no improvement. If not for the late skid last 2 weeks of the season they get home ice for playoffs.
BlizzardDad
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Re: New D1 coaches needed?
Can only speak from personal experience. My daughter toured Yale with her and she was very professional. Nothing like what you say - even sent a letter to tell my Daughter how great she did on the tour.
Can only speak from personal experience. My daughter toured Yale with her and she was very professional. Nothing like what you say - even sent a letter to tell my Daughter how great she did on the tour.
Um, because he just accepted the job at Culver?! Might be a better situation for him from a family perspective after so many years as a college coach.
Puckdrop14
New member
Maybe PE, associate head coach at OSU? He has only been in his current role for one year but would think that someday soon, he will be a candidate for a head coaching job or at least he should be. His credentials are excellent.
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I have deleted my post. It was based on incorrect information.
I have deleted my post. It was based on incorrect information.
MAHOCKEY FAN
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Re: New D1 coaches needed?
so...being an ECAC fan...I would love to see the standings mixup year after year (of course being a clarkson grad, we can leave them on top). But as the cost of college goes up, the value of a full scholarship goes up. This, combined with the high academic qualifications, is making it harder for all the IVY schools. There are lots of rumblings every year about how Cornell does it and all I can say is that they are the closest to the border. So what the IVYs are looking for is a smart girl who doesn't need money to go, or a smart girl who needs a lot of money (hockey is not a cheap sport so even harder). For the Canadians, i know from a reliable source that the exchange rate has also made the IVYs less attractive (again, the financial aid formula)
so...being an ECAC fan...I would love to see the standings mixup year after year (of course being a clarkson grad, we can leave them on top). But as the cost of college goes up, the value of a full scholarship goes up. This, combined with the high academic qualifications, is making it harder for all the IVY schools. There are lots of rumblings every year about how Cornell does it and all I can say is that they are the closest to the border. So what the IVYs are looking for is a smart girl who doesn't need money to go, or a smart girl who needs a lot of money (hockey is not a cheap sport so even harder). For the Canadians, i know from a reliable source that the exchange rate has also made the IVYs less attractive (again, the financial aid formula)
HockeyEast33
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Re: New D1 coaches needed?
The Ivies have always attracted wealthy players (don't need aid) and economically disadvantaged players (get full aid) - the middle group will often go to a full scholarship opportunity if one exists. Have known a bunch of players with middle income parents who desperately wanted to go to an Ivy school for the education but ended up at a less prestigious non-Ivy because it was free via athletic scholarship. Life choice. But this has ALWAYS been the case - nothing has changed here that changes the level of the playing field from the past.
The Ivies have always attracted wealthy players (don't need aid) and economically disadvantaged players (get full aid) - the middle group will often go to a full scholarship opportunity if one exists. Have known a bunch of players with middle income parents who desperately wanted to go to an Ivy school for the education but ended up at a less prestigious non-Ivy because it was free via athletic scholarship. Life choice. But this has ALWAYS been the case - nothing has changed here that changes the level of the playing field from the past.