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Nescac 2014-2015
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Re: Nescac 2014-2015
Agree with both posts..."rotation" was the wrong word, the switches were obviously in search of answer that has never really come. I do understand decommits and eligibility problems, but when it (apparently) has happened a couple years in a row you wonder. I know the Knelman lawsuit is moving in Middlebury's/Beaney's direction but the filings weren't all that flattering to the program and I wonder if that has had an effect.
Agree with both posts..."rotation" was the wrong word, the switches were obviously in search of answer that has never really come. I do understand decommits and eligibility problems, but when it (apparently) has happened a couple years in a row you wonder. I know the Knelman lawsuit is moving in Middlebury's/Beaney's direction but the filings weren't all that flattering to the program and I wonder if that has had an effect.
Re: Nescac 2014-2015
I think it has had an effect, andI think those who decommit and leave before they graduate do so for the same reason that Knelman decided to sue. I think that the suit itself isn't the problem, but rather the exposure of the program. The suit has no legal basis. If you read the case, Beaney did nothing illegal, but I think that hockey players have other good colleges to choose from, and when you're paying what it costs to go to these schools, you have to factor that in. Other NESCACs are getting stronger and Middlebury is getting weaker. Darwin was right.
I think it has had an effect, andI think those who decommit and leave before they graduate do so for the same reason that Knelman decided to sue. I think that the suit itself isn't the problem, but rather the exposure of the program. The suit has no legal basis. If you read the case, Beaney did nothing illegal, but I think that hockey players have other good colleges to choose from, and when you're paying what it costs to go to these schools, you have to factor that in. Other NESCACs are getting stronger and Middlebury is getting weaker. Darwin was right.
OLD GUY '61
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Re: Nescac 2014-2015
I agree and you're partly right, but it doesn't explain the disconnect between the skill and speed the players obviously have and their inability to jell in a game situation. I'm aware that there are seven new players who need to assimilate themselves into the current Middlebury "system" which is, apparently, different this year than in previous years; however, I'm not seeing much creativity with the puck so far. The goaltending is "like a box of chocolates" alright, but can't put it all on the goaltender when the defensemen allow people to walk right in without being molested at all. As Churchill said, they are "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma."
bakdraft21
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Re: Nescac 2014-2015
bowdion has a full roster,34 players and 11 freshmen..
bowdion has a full roster,34 players and 11 freshmen..
OLD GUY '61
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Re: Nescac 2014-2015
Perfect. Were having ham this year at Kenyon, though. Less filling.
Perfect. Were having ham this year at Kenyon, though. Less filling.
polarbearfan
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Re: Nescac 2014-2015
Granted we are only 4 games in for most teams in the NESCAC but it looks like a familiar 4 teams will be battling it out to host the NESCAC Championships and one of them is not named Middlebury.
Trinity (3-0-1) is earning their preseason ranking so far with 3 7-2 victories to start the year followed by a somewhat surprising tie on home ice to Hamilton but then again Buitenhuis has been a stud thus far in net for the Continentals. Cole is leading the charge in scoring so far with 5 goals in 4 games but the depth is there to make a splash on the national stage. Their step on that path would be a win next Sunday at home vs Mass-Boston (6-0-0).
Williams (3-0-1) was less than a minute away from a 4-0-0 start, giving up an EAG in the final minute at Bowdoin but will settle on 3-0-1. They will ride experience in net from Dougherty and appear to have some scoring talent in their freshman class with Shugart and Cretella each averaging a goal per game.
Bowdoin (3-0-1) is tied at the top of the table thanks again to their offense. They looked dominant in wins over Middlebury and Colby (x2) but eeked out a point vs Williams. Meagher looks like he will continue to give both goaltenders a chance each weekend and both Fenkell and freshman, Cronin look up to the task. McGinnis and Quinn are off to hot starts, leading the NESCAC in scoring after two weeks. Next test? Not until after the break. Look for the Polar Bears in the top 10 if they don't hiccup before then.
Amherst (2-1-0) had a tough slate to start the year with their first 4 on the road but came away with 2 wins and their lone loss at Trinity. We will find out a lot more about the Lord Jeffs when they travel to Williams and Middlebury 12/5 and 12/6.
Hamilton (1-1-1) will go as far as Buitenhuis will take them and his stifling of the Bantam scorers bodes well. A tough non conference slate awaits but it wouldn't be surprising to see the Continentals host a NESCAC quarterfinal come playoff time.
Middlebury (1-1-2) is having a tough go of it to start. My how the mighty have fallen? Ties to the bottom two teams in the league and a 6-0 blowout at Bowdoin is not what the Panthers had in mind for a start to the season. They need to turn things around quickly to have a shot at returning to their glory days and what better way to start than a Primelink win?
The rest are the rest at this point but you never know in the NESCAC. If the top three or four can keep up the pace, its not inconceivable to see the NESCAC get two teams in the NCAA tournament... but again, we're two weekends in and there is a lot of hockey left to be played.
Granted we are only 4 games in for most teams in the NESCAC but it looks like a familiar 4 teams will be battling it out to host the NESCAC Championships and one of them is not named Middlebury.
Trinity (3-0-1) is earning their preseason ranking so far with 3 7-2 victories to start the year followed by a somewhat surprising tie on home ice to Hamilton but then again Buitenhuis has been a stud thus far in net for the Continentals. Cole is leading the charge in scoring so far with 5 goals in 4 games but the depth is there to make a splash on the national stage. Their step on that path would be a win next Sunday at home vs Mass-Boston (6-0-0).
Williams (3-0-1) was less than a minute away from a 4-0-0 start, giving up an EAG in the final minute at Bowdoin but will settle on 3-0-1. They will ride experience in net from Dougherty and appear to have some scoring talent in their freshman class with Shugart and Cretella each averaging a goal per game.
Bowdoin (3-0-1) is tied at the top of the table thanks again to their offense. They looked dominant in wins over Middlebury and Colby (x2) but eeked out a point vs Williams. Meagher looks like he will continue to give both goaltenders a chance each weekend and both Fenkell and freshman, Cronin look up to the task. McGinnis and Quinn are off to hot starts, leading the NESCAC in scoring after two weeks. Next test? Not until after the break. Look for the Polar Bears in the top 10 if they don't hiccup before then.
Amherst (2-1-0) had a tough slate to start the year with their first 4 on the road but came away with 2 wins and their lone loss at Trinity. We will find out a lot more about the Lord Jeffs when they travel to Williams and Middlebury 12/5 and 12/6.
Hamilton (1-1-1) will go as far as Buitenhuis will take them and his stifling of the Bantam scorers bodes well. A tough non conference slate awaits but it wouldn't be surprising to see the Continentals host a NESCAC quarterfinal come playoff time.
Middlebury (1-1-2) is having a tough go of it to start. My how the mighty have fallen? Ties to the bottom two teams in the league and a 6-0 blowout at Bowdoin is not what the Panthers had in mind for a start to the season. They need to turn things around quickly to have a shot at returning to their glory days and what better way to start than a Primelink win?
The rest are the rest at this point but you never know in the NESCAC. If the top three or four can keep up the pace, its not inconceivable to see the NESCAC get two teams in the NCAA tournament... but again, we're two weekends in and there is a lot of hockey left to be played.
petrietodonovan
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Re: Nescac 2014-2015
One NESCAC team tunes up its out-of-conference schedule. Did Trinity getting left out of the NCAA in spite of great regional rankings lead it to change its OOC schedule, or was this just a coincidental change?
http://www.nescachockey.com/2014/11/i-dont-see-how-they-can-not-take-us.html
One NESCAC team tunes up its out-of-conference schedule. Did Trinity getting left out of the NCAA in spite of great regional rankings lead it to change its OOC schedule, or was this just a coincidental change?
http://www.nescachockey.com/2014/11/i-dont-see-how-they-can-not-take-us.html
bakdraft21
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Re: Nescac 2014-2015
the weekend of Utica and Hobart will be a good test,the Aud is a tough place to play at and the Cooler at Hobart is just tough....... for both teams,cold old crappy joint.
elbojpb
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OOC Changes
OOC Changes
The OOC schedule had historically been a two-edged sword. Do well in those games, and a National bid is more likely, do poorly, and cut your own throat. For that reason, many schools played patsies OOC and hoped for the best. In the ECAC/W the lack of an auto-bid created bi-modal philosophies, play the toughest OOC schedule you can (Elmira) or play the easiest (Utica).
The Trinity omission last year added a (long overdue) new dimension to the paradigm that dictates that if you choose to avoid the tough OOC competition you're not getting an at-large berth [period] which seems to parallel the philosophies of the D1 basketball and now football playoffs. How closely the committees follow this will be directly correlated to the number of SEC/W teams in the final four.
I like the new tenor which will hopefully create more competitive first and second rounds of the tourney, and better in-season match-ups.
OOC Changes
Intriguing insight, great article and likely not a coincidence.
The OOC schedule had historically been a two-edged sword. Do well in those games, and a National bid is more likely, do poorly, and cut your own throat. For that reason, many schools played patsies OOC and hoped for the best. In the ECAC/W the lack of an auto-bid created bi-modal philosophies, play the toughest OOC schedule you can (Elmira) or play the easiest (Utica).
The Trinity omission last year added a (long overdue) new dimension to the paradigm that dictates that if you choose to avoid the tough OOC competition you're not getting an at-large berth [period] which seems to parallel the philosophies of the D1 basketball and now football playoffs. How closely the committees follow this will be directly correlated to the number of SEC/W teams in the final four.
I like the new tenor which will hopefully create more competitive first and second rounds of the tourney, and better in-season match-ups.
Trinity also lost in their league semi finals to an unranked team. That was the killer.
polarbearfan
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Re: Nescac 2014-2015
The OOC slate over the holiday weekend didn't go well for the NESCAC as a whole but a few teams did come out unscathed.
My rankings after the weekend:
1. Bowdoin (6-0-1) Three weaker opponents but 3 decisive victories by combined 17-1 score. We'll see how they do when they have to leave the state of Maine but for now they are the only undefeated team in the league.
2. Trinity (4-1-1) A shellacking of Mass Dartmouth and a L to an undefeated Mass Boston. Still a top 10 team in my book.
3. Amherst (5-1-0) Two one goal victories including a win over a good Elmira team.
4. Williams (4-1-1) Shaky weekend for the Ephs with a one goal win over a bad J&W and a OT loss to Morriseville.
5. Hamilton (2-2-1) All in all, a L @ Utica and a 5-1 @ Canton isn't an awful weekend.
6. Middlebury (1-3-2) definetly the toughest SOS in the league so far but that doesn't get them far with only one win. At least the Ls came vs quality opponents.
The last 4 are pretty interchangeable and I believe will be fighting for the 7 and 8 seeds at the end of the year.
The OOC slate over the holiday weekend didn't go well for the NESCAC as a whole but a few teams did come out unscathed.
My rankings after the weekend:
1. Bowdoin (6-0-1) Three weaker opponents but 3 decisive victories by combined 17-1 score. We'll see how they do when they have to leave the state of Maine but for now they are the only undefeated team in the league.
2. Trinity (4-1-1) A shellacking of Mass Dartmouth and a L to an undefeated Mass Boston. Still a top 10 team in my book.
3. Amherst (5-1-0) Two one goal victories including a win over a good Elmira team.
4. Williams (4-1-1) Shaky weekend for the Ephs with a one goal win over a bad J&W and a OT loss to Morriseville.
5. Hamilton (2-2-1) All in all, a L @ Utica and a 5-1 @ Canton isn't an awful weekend.
6. Middlebury (1-3-2) definetly the toughest SOS in the league so far but that doesn't get them far with only one win. At least the Ls came vs quality opponents.
The last 4 are pretty interchangeable and I believe will be fighting for the 7 and 8 seeds at the end of the year.
Re: Nescac 2014-2015
Senior Jordan Nathan, who played rarely over the previous three seasons, got two starts this weekend for Colby, posting a .95 save percentage and his first two collegiate wins. The first line of a freshman and two sophs scored a bucket-load of goals. Granted, the competition was less than stellar, but both opposing teams came into the weekend with winning records. The Mules are only going to get better as the season progresses. As a partisan, I always remain optimistic. But this year, I think there is some basis for my euphoria. And there's always a couple more seasons to come with these talented youngsters...
Senior Jordan Nathan, who played rarely over the previous three seasons, got two starts this weekend for Colby, posting a .95 save percentage and his first two collegiate wins. The first line of a freshman and two sophs scored a bucket-load of goals. Granted, the competition was less than stellar, but both opposing teams came into the weekend with winning records. The Mules are only going to get better as the season progresses. As a partisan, I always remain optimistic. But this year, I think there is some basis for my euphoria. And there's always a couple more seasons to come with these talented youngsters...
Re: Nescac 2014-2015
I was glad to see Klein got the start in goal against Plattsburgh. I wasn't at the game but his numbers looks pretty good for a first game against a team like Plattsburgh. For anyone who was there, did he look good and whose gonna be in going forward now?
I was glad to see Klein got the start in goal against Plattsburgh. I wasn't at the game but his numbers looks pretty good for a first game against a team like Plattsburgh. For anyone who was there, did he look good and whose gonna be in going forward now?
Re: Nescac 2014-2015
From NESCAC Weekly Release #3: Colby Sophomore Devin Albert (Reading, Mass.) had seven points with five goals and two assists in a 2-0 week for the Mules. Albert scored three goals and added an assist in a 7-0 win over Wentworth. He had a natural hat trick in the third period with a power-play, a shorthanded and a full-strength goal. In a 5-3 win over Salve Regina, he had three points on two goals and an assist. With the score tied 3-3 in the third period, Albert scored the game-winning goal at 6:04, less than a minute after Salve Regina had tied the game. He also had a power-play goal to close out the scoring and added an assist on the power play. Albert is second on Colby in scoring with nine points...
And he doesn't get player of the week...
From NESCAC Weekly Release #3: Colby Sophomore Devin Albert (Reading, Mass.) had seven points with five goals and two assists in a 2-0 week for the Mules. Albert scored three goals and added an assist in a 7-0 win over Wentworth. He had a natural hat trick in the third period with a power-play, a shorthanded and a full-strength goal. In a 5-3 win over Salve Regina, he had three points on two goals and an assist. With the score tied 3-3 in the third period, Albert scored the game-winning goal at 6:04, less than a minute after Salve Regina had tied the game. He also had a power-play goal to close out the scoring and added an assist on the power play. Albert is second on Colby in scoring with nine points...
And he doesn't get player of the week...
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Re: Nescac 2014-2015
I agree........Klein looked really good. That probably means he won't see the ice for a while (having lost). The Panthers are 1-1-2 in NESCAC and 0-2-0 OOC........winless against good teams and even against the rest, with three goalies getting starts. I don't expect anything different from last year, if it's that good (.500). I'd like to see Klein play again. I think Peters is a victim of a polar bear attack. Most goalies who lose to Bowdoin are never heard from again. One more NESCAC weekend ........I'm guessing they'll be 1-5-2 going into the break. Perhaps the offense will start sparking soon......more goals might get the crowd into the game.
I agree........Klein looked really good. That probably means he won't see the ice for a while (having lost). The Panthers are 1-1-2 in NESCAC and 0-2-0 OOC........winless against good teams and even against the rest, with three goalies getting starts. I don't expect anything different from last year, if it's that good (.500). I'd like to see Klein play again. I think Peters is a victim of a polar bear attack. Most goalies who lose to Bowdoin are never heard from again. One more NESCAC weekend ........I'm guessing they'll be 1-5-2 going into the break. Perhaps the offense will start sparking soon......more goals might get the crowd into the game.
EastCoastBias
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Re: Nescac 2014-2015
First time posting this season after observing the first few weeks of action. Looks like the usual suspects will vie for the title once again based on early returns; Trinity, Williams, Bowdoin, and Amherst. Middlebury remains a bit of a mystery with their continued unrest in goal, and may actually fall into the lower 3rd of the standings as a result come late February. Hamilton could be factor with the highly touted rookie in net, but will need a lot to go right beyond strong net-minding for them to be a contender. We should see what Amherst is all about with road games at Middlebury and Williams this weekend. Bowdoin should run the table until January when they travel to Amherst and Trinity back to back for their first real test in the conference. Colby might be the dark horse of the group, but are very young. The Mules showed signs of life last season before fading down the stretch. Wesleyan, Tufts and Connecticut College seem to be in a perpetual state of mediocrity providing the occasional upset here and there.
First time posting this season after observing the first few weeks of action. Looks like the usual suspects will vie for the title once again based on early returns; Trinity, Williams, Bowdoin, and Amherst. Middlebury remains a bit of a mystery with their continued unrest in goal, and may actually fall into the lower 3rd of the standings as a result come late February. Hamilton could be factor with the highly touted rookie in net, but will need a lot to go right beyond strong net-minding for them to be a contender. We should see what Amherst is all about with road games at Middlebury and Williams this weekend. Bowdoin should run the table until January when they travel to Amherst and Trinity back to back for their first real test in the conference. Colby might be the dark horse of the group, but are very young. The Mules showed signs of life last season before fading down the stretch. Wesleyan, Tufts and Connecticut College seem to be in a perpetual state of mediocrity providing the occasional upset here and there.
The Mules won 7 games mid-season, then the goals-against went way up. What Jordan Nathan did this past weekend was amazing, after having something like an 0-13 record the previous three seasons. It would be great if he could keep it up. Goaltending will be the key again this year.
EastCoastBias
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Re: Nescac 2014-2015
NESCAC winners and losers this weekend.
Bowdoin rolls over Conn College and Tufts.
Amherst goes 1-1 beating Middlebury but loses to Williams.
Colby goes 2-0 to keep the Camels and Jumbos winless over the weekend.
Hamilton ties the Panthers but loses to Williams who sweep the weekend.
Wesleyan goes 0-2 in non conference action vs Elmira and Hobart.
Trinity goes 2-0 over Utica and Hobart to match Amherst's earlier weekend broom over ECAC-West foes.
NESCAC winners and losers this weekend.
Bowdoin rolls over Conn College and Tufts.
Amherst goes 1-1 beating Middlebury but loses to Williams.
Colby goes 2-0 to keep the Camels and Jumbos winless over the weekend.
Hamilton ties the Panthers but loses to Williams who sweep the weekend.
Wesleyan goes 0-2 in non conference action vs Elmira and Hobart.
Trinity goes 2-0 over Utica and Hobart to match Amherst's earlier weekend broom over ECAC-West foes.