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NCHC commissioner
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Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: NCHC commissioner
As you said, the obvious pairs are DU-CC and WMU-Miami. After that, I think it's either UMD-UND and SCSU-UNO or UMD-SCSU and UND-UNO. SCSU and UNO are slightly closer than UNO and UND, but UMD and SCSU are slightly closer than UMD and UND. My gut would tell me that SCSU and UMD get paired while UND gets paired with UNO.
As you said, the obvious pairs are DU-CC and WMU-Miami. After that, I think it's either UMD-UND and SCSU-UNO or UMD-SCSU and UND-UNO. SCSU and UNO are slightly closer than UNO and UND, but UMD and SCSU are slightly closer than UMD and UND. My gut would tell me that SCSU and UMD get paired while UND gets paired with UNO.
Fighting Sioux 23
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True. That will show that the NCHC will make even more. We'll use a simple example here as well.
Let's first look at NCHC. Say North Dakota, Denver, CC and Omaha host first round series.
North Dakota sells 11,000 @ $30/game (just for ease of calculation)
Denver sells 6,000 @ $30/game
CC sells 6,000 @ $30/game
Omaha sells 8,000 @ $30/game
That is 31,000 tickets at $30/game, and say there are 10 games total (two series go 3 games), that equals 310,000 tickets sold at $30/game for a gross revenue of $9.3 million (obviously actual revenue will be vastly different). Divide that by 8 schools, and we have 1.1625 million/school.
Now for the new WCHA. We'll use UND, Denver, CC, Omaha again, and add SCSU and Tech.
SCSU can sell 6,000 at $30/game
Tech can sell 4,000 at $30/game
That's an extra 10,000 tickets at $30/game, and lets say we have five extra games (that's one of the series going to 3 games). As a result, we have 50,000 extra tickets tacked on to the 310,000 from UND, DU, CC and UNO. 360,000 tickets at $30 game results in a gross revenue of $10.8 million. Divide that by 12 schools, and we're at $900,000, or about 77% of what the NCHC schools take home despite having 5 fewer games in the First Round.
True. That will show that the NCHC will make even more. We'll use a simple example here as well.
Let's first look at NCHC. Say North Dakota, Denver, CC and Omaha host first round series.
North Dakota sells 11,000 @ $30/game (just for ease of calculation)
Denver sells 6,000 @ $30/game
CC sells 6,000 @ $30/game
Omaha sells 8,000 @ $30/game
That is 31,000 tickets at $30/game, and say there are 10 games total (two series go 3 games), that equals 310,000 tickets sold at $30/game for a gross revenue of $9.3 million (obviously actual revenue will be vastly different). Divide that by 8 schools, and we have 1.1625 million/school.
Now for the new WCHA. We'll use UND, Denver, CC, Omaha again, and add SCSU and Tech.
SCSU can sell 6,000 at $30/game
Tech can sell 4,000 at $30/game
That's an extra 10,000 tickets at $30/game, and lets say we have five extra games (that's one of the series going to 3 games). As a result, we have 50,000 extra tickets tacked on to the 310,000 from UND, DU, CC and UNO. 360,000 tickets at $30 game results in a gross revenue of $10.8 million. Divide that by 12 schools, and we're at $900,000, or about 77% of what the NCHC schools take home despite having 5 fewer games in the First Round.
Re: NCHC commissioner
The tale of Huck Fin featured an African American character referred to as "N***** Jim". The tale of Tom Sawyer featured an American Indian character referred to as "I**** Joe".
Given you are an individual that appears to pride themself on being a bit of an intellectual, utterly concerned with academia, I am surprised you were unaware of this.
In response to the hiring of Jim Scher, I think it was a reasonable move by the NCHC. The salary isn't outrageous and the fact he does not have a hockey background shouldn't be an issue. Gary Bettman doesn't have a hockey background and yet he has made significant moves toward making the NHL more profitable and marketable. That being said, everyone north of the Mason Dixon hates Bettman's guts for the labor stoppages and relocation of northern/Canadian teams. Even with the lockouts and bad blood, the league is in a better position than it was in '93. Competition is great (not a five team show like the NBA), ticket revenue and attendance up (in most markets), and the NHL is set to be the premiere professional league on a new sports television network. I'm sure Jim Scherr will act in the best business interests of the NCHC and its members, the actions may not be in the best interests of college hockey as a whole, but the best interests of college hockey do not seem to matter to the NCHC.
The tale of Huck Fin featured an African American character referred to as "N***** Jim". The tale of Tom Sawyer featured an American Indian character referred to as "I**** Joe".
Given you are an individual that appears to pride themself on being a bit of an intellectual, utterly concerned with academia, I am surprised you were unaware of this.
In response to the hiring of Jim Scher, I think it was a reasonable move by the NCHC. The salary isn't outrageous and the fact he does not have a hockey background shouldn't be an issue. Gary Bettman doesn't have a hockey background and yet he has made significant moves toward making the NHL more profitable and marketable. That being said, everyone north of the Mason Dixon hates Bettman's guts for the labor stoppages and relocation of northern/Canadian teams. Even with the lockouts and bad blood, the league is in a better position than it was in '93. Competition is great (not a five team show like the NBA), ticket revenue and attendance up (in most markets), and the NHL is set to be the premiere professional league on a new sports television network. I'm sure Jim Scherr will act in the best business interests of the NCHC and its members, the actions may not be in the best interests of college hockey as a whole, but the best interests of college hockey do not seem to matter to the NCHC.
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For one thing, just putting one team into the equation, I believe that UNO would account for more than 8000 tickets per game in a hypothetical home series. UNO has averaged more fans than that on a nightly basis during the regular season for 8 out of the 15 years (including this one) the program has existed. The first 6 of those included selling out 131 consecutive games in an arena that "only" seated 8,314. Playoff games against name opponents (like those in the NHCH) are going to do better than what the program has averaged against "everybody", I mean, even against Bowling Green.
Another thing you have not taken into account is the ability of a given building (namely, ours) to absorb the other team's fan base that might attend, even in first round games. A series between UNO and UND in Omaha is not going to draw only 8,000 fans per game. The crowd(s) would be closer to double that than they are to 8,000. UNO and UMD averaged 9,104 per night in Omaha for a regular season series last year and the Saturday night game was played directly against a Husker night game so the Friday night game (11,181) outdrew the Saturday night game, something that is a complete anomaly where UNO has been concerned.
I think you could safely plug a little better number than that in where UNO is concerned. I realize this doesn't have a big impact on your overall numbers but we are only one of the schools. Can't speak to the others.
For one thing, just putting one team into the equation, I believe that UNO would account for more than 8000 tickets per game in a hypothetical home series. UNO has averaged more fans than that on a nightly basis during the regular season for 8 out of the 15 years (including this one) the program has existed. The first 6 of those included selling out 131 consecutive games in an arena that "only" seated 8,314. Playoff games against name opponents (like those in the NHCH) are going to do better than what the program has averaged against "everybody", I mean, even against Bowling Green.
Another thing you have not taken into account is the ability of a given building (namely, ours) to absorb the other team's fan base that might attend, even in first round games. A series between UNO and UND in Omaha is not going to draw only 8,000 fans per game. The crowd(s) would be closer to double that than they are to 8,000. UNO and UMD averaged 9,104 per night in Omaha for a regular season series last year and the Saturday night game was played directly against a Husker night game so the Friday night game (11,181) outdrew the Saturday night game, something that is a complete anomaly where UNO has been concerned.
I think you could safely plug a little better number than that in where UNO is concerned. I realize this doesn't have a big impact on your overall numbers but we are only one of the schools. Can't speak to the others.
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Why not a 28 game schedule - 2 home and 2 away vs. every opponent? That's what the old WCHA did.
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Based on these articles it would seem that the decision may have been driven by office politics and a struggle for power, one of the board members that voted him out was promoted to replace him. Jim was there for six years, his replacement barely made it 6 months before stepping down.
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_11928620
http://www.runblogrun.com/2009/03/turmoil-over-scherr-firing-by-larry-eder.html
Based on these articles it would seem that the decision may have been driven by office politics and a struggle for power, one of the board members that voted him out was promoted to replace him. Jim was there for six years, his replacement barely made it 6 months before stepping down.
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_11928620
http://www.runblogrun.com/2009/03/turmoil-over-scherr-firing-by-larry-eder.html
scsutommyboy
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Re: NCHC commissioner
You are correct. One reason is students don't usually go because it is not part of the regular season package if students pay. Places like SCSU students never go because they are to cheap to pay for tickets they usually get for free.
You are correct. One reason is students don't usually go because it is not part of the regular season package if students pay. Places like SCSU students never go because they are to cheap to pay for tickets they usually get for free.
Re: NCHC commissioner
Me like.
We're bummed that the North Dakota Figh..........errrrrrr, the UND Politically Corrects aren't playing a regular season series here in Omaha this year.
Me like.
We're bummed that the North Dakota Figh..........errrrrrr, the UND Politically Corrects aren't playing a regular season series here in Omaha this year.
johnnyredshoes
Die-hard Huskies fan since '91
Add to that it always seems like if we host, it ends up being during spring break.
manurespreader
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Though I agree that UND brings the most fans I don't think you can fill the x. Presently lets assume that 40% of the fans at the final five are from UND, 40% are from umtc and 20% are everybody else. forgetting the new wcha for a while, in the nchc you get the same number of fans,
40%, but the minnesota fans are not there and you have to replace them. lets say you get an additional 10%, or 2000 fans to travel, that still leaves a lot of empty seats. I don't think duluth and st cloud fills them.So really you have to cut the take by 25% off the top.
As far as the wcha, yes the take would go down some in an expanded league, but mostly because of the absence of umtc although yes you have a good point, but there would most likely be additional games so that would have to be factored in as well.
Personally the nchc could maximize it's take per team by playing at the ralph. I think you'd get more fans with way less expenses.
Though I agree that UND brings the most fans I don't think you can fill the x. Presently lets assume that 40% of the fans at the final five are from UND, 40% are from umtc and 20% are everybody else. forgetting the new wcha for a while, in the nchc you get the same number of fans,
40%, but the minnesota fans are not there and you have to replace them. lets say you get an additional 10%, or 2000 fans to travel, that still leaves a lot of empty seats. I don't think duluth and st cloud fills them.So really you have to cut the take by 25% off the top.
As far as the wcha, yes the take would go down some in an expanded league, but mostly because of the absence of umtc although yes you have a good point, but there would most likely be additional games so that would have to be factored in as well.
Personally the nchc could maximize it's take per team by playing at the ralph. I think you'd get more fans with way less expenses.
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Meh, he might be right. UND doesn't really have a booster club that is exclusive to hockey. The Fighting Sioux Club, or Championships Club now, is an Athletics wide organization. Does Minnesota or Michigan have a booster club just for hockey? UNO obviously doesn't have the most fans of any school, but they might have the most hockey booster club members simply because many of the biggest schools don't have hockey boosters clubs.
Meh, he might be right. UND doesn't really have a booster club that is exclusive to hockey. The Fighting Sioux Club, or Championships Club now, is an Athletics wide organization. Does Minnesota or Michigan have a booster club just for hockey? UNO obviously doesn't have the most fans of any school, but they might have the most hockey booster club members simply because many of the biggest schools don't have hockey boosters clubs.