NCAA Women’s DI Hockey Longest Games

[ARM]

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Bemidji,St Cloud,UMD,Mercyhurst,Merrimack are all div 2 schools

The context here is women's hockey, not football, basketball, or any other unrelated sport. UMD has won eight NCAA titles in hockey over the last two decades, so it proves a point that what matters is a school's hockey programs, not the overall size of its annual athletic budget.

 

[Sean Pickett]

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The Beanpot used an approved NCAA overtime format. I'd include it but with a footnote that the OT was 5+20.

That's what I did, and also that the 2nd 20-minute overtime was not officially recognized by the NCAA.

Sean - FP & St. A's are eligible for the NCAA National Collegiate Championship. I'd include the game with no asterisk.

Bemidji,St Cloud,UMD,Mercyhurst,Merrimack are all div 2 schools

Sacred Heart,LIU Brooklyn are div 1 schools

WCHA schools play 12-16 games/year minimum against div 2 schools...I would think you would include them ....

Thanks for your thoughts.

Merrimack is transitioning to D1 in all sports but as far as I know, before that, they played as a D1 hockey team and followed all D1 rules and regulations. I also believe the other D2 schools also follow all D1 rules and regulations. Here is the pertinent rule from the D1 manual:

20.8 Eligibility for National Collegiate and Division Championships.
20.8.1 Eligibility for National Collegiate Championships. [#] Separate championships in each division are not sponsored in the following sports: (Adopted: 4/24/03 effective 8/1/03, Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11, 10/30/14 effective 8/1/15,
7/31/15)
Women's Beach Volleyball
Women's Gymnastics
Men's Volleyball
Women's Bowling
Women's Ice Hockey
Men's Water Polo
Men's and Women's Fencing
Men's and Women's Rifle
Women's Water Polo
Men's Gymnastics
Men's and Women's Skiing
An active member institution in good standing, regardless of division, is eligible for the National Collegiate Championships if a division championship in the respective sport is not offered in its division. Such an institution normally is required to meet only the institutional and individual eligibility requirements of its division that govern the sport in question.

So, my question is do the NEWHA D2 teams met the D1 eligibility requirements, like I presume the D2 schools mentioned do? Or do they follow D2 eligibility requirements? I also don't know about Lindenwood, another D2 school. All the D2 men's teams that play up must follow the D1 eligibility requirements:

20.8.2 Division II Options When No Division II Championship Is Conducted. An active member institution that holds membership in Division II is eligible to compete in the Division I championship in those sports for which no championship is conducted in Division II. The Division II institution shall declare its intention to compete by June 1. This declaration of intent shall be effective for a minimum of three years. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 9/1/92)
20.8.2.1 Participation in Division I Championship. To be eligible for the Division I championship in such a sport, the Division II member institution is required to meet all Division I institutional and individual eligibility requirements and may use Division I financial aid limitations in that sport as permitted under Bylaw 20.9.1.1. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 9/1/92)

Also, looking at their schedules shows Franklin Pierce only played 3 D1 non-conference games and 8 D3 non-conference games, while St. Anselm only played 4 D1 non-conference games and 6 D3 non-conference games. Some of that might be the teams having a hard time finding D1 teams willing to play them, but LIU did pretty well, as did Sacred Heart.

As I said, opinions are wanted and are being considered.

Sean

 

[HawksHockey]

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That's what I did, and also that the 2nd 20-minute overtime was not officially recognized by the NCAA.



Thanks for your thoughts.

Merrimack is transitioning to D1 in all sports but as far as I know, before that, they played as a D1 hockey team and followed all D1 rules and regulations. I also believe the other D2 schools also follow all D1 rules and regulations. Here is the pertinent rule from the D1 manual:

20.8 Eligibility for National Collegiate and Division Championships.
20.8.1 Eligibility for National Collegiate Championships. [#] Separate championships in each division are not sponsored in the following sports: (Adopted: 4/24/03 effective 8/1/03, Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11, 10/30/14 effective 8/1/15,
7/31/15)
Women's Beach Volleyball
Women's Gymnastics
Men's Volleyball
Women's Bowling
Women's Ice Hockey
Men's Water Polo
Men's and Women's Fencing
Men's and Women's Rifle
Women's Water Polo
Men's Gymnastics
Men's and Women's Skiing
An active member institution in good standing, regardless of division, is eligible for the National Collegiate Championships if a division championship in the respective sport is not offered in its division. Such an institution normally is required to meet only the institutional and individual eligibility requirements of its division that govern the sport in question.

So, my question is do the NEWHA D2 teams met the D1 eligibility requirements, like I presume the D2 schools mentioned do? Or do they follow D2 eligibility requirements? I also don't know about Lindenwood, another D2 school. All the D2 men's teams that play up must follow the D1 eligibility requirements:

20.8.2 Division II Options When No Division II Championship Is Conducted. An active member institution that holds membership in Division II is eligible to compete in the Division I championship in those sports for which no championship is conducted in Division II. The Division II institution shall declare its intention to compete by June 1. This declaration of intent shall be effective for a minimum of three years. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 9/1/92)
20.8.2.1 Participation in Division I Championship. To be eligible for the Division I championship in such a sport, the Division II member institution is required to meet all Division I institutional and individual eligibility requirements and may use Division I financial aid limitations in that sport as permitted under Bylaw 20.9.1.1. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 9/1/92)

Also, looking at their schedules shows Franklin Pierce only played 3 D1 non-conference games and 8 D3 non-conference games, while St. Anselm only played 4 D1 non-conference games and 6 D3 non-conference games. Some of that might be the teams having a hard time finding D1 teams willing to play them, but LIU did pretty well, as did Sacred Heart.

As I said, opinions are wanted and are being considered.

Sean

https://www.saintanselmhawks.com/general/2019-20/releases/20190904fkoq4q
^^The NEWHA was officially recognized as an NCAA Division I women's ice hockey conference prior to the 2019-20 season.

https://www.uscho.com/2018/09/26/ne...national-collegiate-womens-hockey-conference/
^^NEWHA member schools have unanimously agreed to adhere to NCAA Division I recruiting rules (as of the 2018-19 season).

 

[Sean Pickett]

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https://www.saintanselmhawks.com/general/2019-20/releases/20190904fkoq4q
^^The NEWHA was officially recognized as an NCAA Division I women's ice hockey conference prior to the 2019-20 season.

https://www.uscho.com/2018/09/26/ne...national-collegiate-womens-hockey-conference/
^^NEWHA member schools have unanimously agreed to adhere to NCAA Division I recruiting rules (as of the 2018-19 season).

Thanks for the links. I was aware of the league requesting to be recognized and awarded an autobid, but I didn't remember it being as a D1 league. I also didn't recall that they will all follow the D1 recruiting rules. I think that is enough to include the game on my D1 list.

Sean

 

[mnwis]

The context here is women's hockey, not football, basketball, or any other unrelated sport. UMD has won eight NCAA titles in hockey over the last two decades, so it proves a point that what matters is a school's hockey programs, not the overall size of its annual athletic budget.

Not sure why you bring up other sports,..

The NCAA lists those schools as D2, just because they participate in the National Collegiate Women's Hockey does not make the schools D1...I am glad they allow these schools to participate including the NEWHA...hopefully St Thomas moves forward to D2 also...For that matter, I would enjoy it if plattsburgh and a couple of others would move to D2

 

[ARM]

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Not sure why you bring up other sports,..

The NCAA lists those schools as D2, just because they participate in the National Collegiate Women's Hockey does not make the schools D1...

All of the programs that you listed are D-I in women's hockey, so it is incorrect to list them as D-II in that context.

 

[mnwis]

All of the programs that you listed are D-I in women's hockey, so it is incorrect to list them as D-II in that context.

Actually, it's National Collegiate Women's Hockey....

The schools are still Div 2....that allows them to participate in other Div 2 sports....yes in hockey the Div 2 schools are blended with Div 1 schools for competition...there are covenants that the Div 2 schools adhere (agree) with to be allowed to participate...but they retain their Div 2 identity...

 

[Still Eeyore]

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Actually, it's National Collegiate Women's Hockey....

The schools are still Div 2....that allows them to participate in other Div 2 sports....yes in hockey the Div 2 schools are blended with Div 1 schools for competition...there are covenants that the Div 2 schools adhere (agree) with to be allowed to participate...but they retain their Div 2 identity...

Yes, but there is more to it than just being eligible for the combined tournament. Their hockey programs (both men and women) follow Division I rules. That makes more difference on the men's side, where the Div II hockey scholarship limit is 13.5, rather than the 18 in Div I. In women's hockey, the Div II scholarship is 18, but there are other rules differences between Div I and Div II. Even though these schools are Div II in other sports, their hockey programs are fully Div I.

 

[Sean Pickett]

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I emailed the NEWHA about their four D2 schools and received a quick reply that they are following all of the D1 eligibility requirements, so as of this season I'm going to count their games and I've updated the spreadsheet with the Saint Anselm-Franklin Pierce game at the top as the longest. I've also updated the second sheet which is easier to sort and the third sheet with each team's number of appearances on the list and W-L records.

With the 6 NEWHA teams there are now 8 teams that have yet to make an appearance on the list: Holy Cross, LIU, Merrimack, Post, Sacred Heart, Saint Michael's, St. Cloud State and Union. The only one that can make an appearance the rest of this season is St. Cloud State. Harvard still leads appearances by a wide margin with 21 to second place NU's 12; wins with 12 to second place BC's and UMD's 8 each; and losses with 9, just ahead of second place NU's and Princeton's 8 each. St. Lawrence has the best winning percentage of teams that have played more than 1 game at 5-1, 0.833, slightly ahead to second place BC's and UMD's 8-2, 0.800 and UND's 4-1, 0.800.

Sean

 

[Sean Pickett]

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I have updated the Women's Division I Longest Hockey Games spreadsheet with the games so far this weekend. So far this season there have been 7 games to make the list, 4 that went to at least double overtime, including the new longest game, which broke a nearly 24 year old record, and a new fourth longest, which broke a nearly 13 year old record (the game was the second longest when played and for the following 3 years and third longest for 10 years, until last week).

Sean

 

[Sean Pickett]

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I have updated the Women's Division I Longest Hockey Games spreadsheet with today's games. So far this season there have been 9 games to make the list, 6 that went to at least double overtime, and 3 to at least triple overtime. The 9 games in a single season is a new record, passing the 8 games played in both 2016 & 2010. The 3 double overtime games is still 2 less than the record 5 played in 2010 and the 2 triple overtime games is still one less than the record 3 played in both 2013 & 2010. 2010 also had the then 2nd and 4th longest games played, while this season has had the longest and 4th longest games played. Even if no more games make the list (65+ minutes), this is a historic season for long overtime games.

Sean

 

[Sean Pickett]

I have updated the Women's Division I Longest Hockey Games spreadsheet with this year's games. Only 3 games have made the list, with none lasting more than one overtime.

Sean

 

[whoop87]

Bump ... thanks again Sean for maintaining this list.

 

[Sean Pickett]

Bump ... thanks again Sean for maintaining this list.

I was slow updating this season, but it's now up to date. There have been 9 overtime games longer than 5 minutes, including 3 double OT games, plus the Quinnipiac- Penn State triple OT game (13th longest overall, 6th longest NCAA tournament game).

Sean

 

[Sean Pickett]

The Wisconsin-Minnesota semifinal didn't even crack the top 50, coming in at 59.

I have updated the Women's Division I Longest Hockey Games spreadsheet with the game and the list is now at 130 games that lasted longer than 5 minutes of overtime. I thought I would ask again whether those that use teh list want to keep every game on it, or cut it off at some predetermined number of games, like 50.

Sean

 

[ARM]

The Wisconsin-Minnesota semifinal didn't even crack the top 50, coming in at 59.

I have updated the Women's Division I Longest Hockey Games spreadsheet with the game and the list is now at 130 games that lasted longer than 5 minutes of overtime. I thought I would ask again whether those that use teh list want to keep every game on it, or cut it off at some predetermined number of games, like 50.

Sean

As the keeper of the list, that should be your call. What is easiest/best for you? We can come up with all types of metrics (e.g., there could be a tab for ALL NCAA Tournament games that go OT, with a different tab for other postseason or Beanpot games have to be more than 10 minutes or whatever), but if you are the person who has to discover and record all these events, none of the rest of us should be telling you how to spend your time. Personally, I think any national tourney OT game in a championship bracket is important to record, no matter whether it goes 15 seconds or 150 minutes. The marathon nature is what makes the conference tourney games more noteworthy, because they don't always end a season. No matter what you decide, I'm appreciative that you do this. Thanks Sean!

 

[whoop87]

Double thumbs up for maintaining this list Sean. I do like how you're listing it now versus just the Top 50 longest games.

 

[vicb]

As the keeper of the list, that should be your call. What is easiest/best for you? ......... No matter what you decide, I'm appreciative that you do this. Thanks Sean!

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Sean Pickett]

The list of longest women's games. Assuming no other pending updates from this year, Minnesota-Clarkson clocks in at #7 on the list.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1518655729

It's actually the 6th longest women's game, second longest NCAA game. It also ties for 7th most saves made.

The list is now updated with the 8 OT games over 65 minutes long this postseason. Clarkson improves to 10-5 in such games, while Minnesota drops to 4-6.

Of teams that have played more than 2 such overtime games St. Lawrence leads with an 0.875 winning percentage (7-1), with Boston College second at 0.818 (9-2) and Minnesota-Duluth fourth (third out of current teams) at 0.750 (12-4). All three won an overtime game this season to improve their records.

Sean