NCAA Regionals - Time to Go Back to 2 Sites?

[Priceless]

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Yes, I was thinking more along the lines of a 3-day regional, obviously that creates a scenario where the "Day 1" teams gain an advantage over the "Day 2" teams (presumably you'd put the #1/#2 seeds on the first day to give them an "advantage" for finishing higher), but it eliminates the problem with 4 games in one day, OT's, etc.

Again, not "perfect," but much more attractive from a fan perspective...I second that the prices need to be lowered for the current format as well, would certainly help...but I think going back to 2 sites is really the way to go, however they can work it. The current "product" just isn't cutting it.

You could either have the 1-4 seeds play Friday, or break it into pods so the #1 and #2 brackets play Friday and #3 and #4 brackets play Sunday. That way you don't have games between teams that have had a day off vs a team that played the day before...but if the NCAA/teams decide to build that advantage in, so be it. It's easy to do either way.

Per the NCAA Division 1 championship handbook page 24, the NCAA sets the prices (this year a range of $75-90) and mandates they be sold only in all session packages until after the teams are placed in their regional sites.

The prices are way too high for only three games. And I looked at Worcester and saw a $47.50 price for one day. Not worth it.

 

[Puck Swami]

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The pricing seems appropriate to me. Denver regular season games run almost $30 per game, and that's what the regional tickets cost....

 

[gfmorris]

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The pricing seems appropriate to me. Denver regular season games run almost $30 per game, and that's what the regional tickets cost....

UAH regular season games run more like $10.

GFM <-- insert Alabama hockey joke here, and see if I care.

 

[Priceless]

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Has it ever been proposed to have the 1 seeds host the regionals? You completely eliminate travel costs for 4 teams, are more likely to have fanbases interested in paying for tickets, and eliminate issues of 2, 3, and 4 seeds having home ice advantage.

Could make life harder for TV, but they don't do the best job anyway. May end up in some smaller venues, but if the big ones aren't selling out anyway.

There are two big problems with this...

The NCAA wants to get closer to regional events, not campus sites. That's why the NCAA went to the regional format in 1992.

What if a #1 seed only has an 800 seat arena? Are they going to host somewhere else, only have 800 fans or (like playoff football) have the advantage of hosting yanked in favor of a larger/better complex?

 

[Priceless]

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The pricing seems appropriate to me. Denver regular season games run almost $30 per game, and that's what the regional tickets cost....

We've been over this before. Here on the east coast there a lot more options, therefore the prices are lower. Both eastern regionals are being hosted in arenas where AHL teams play. For the same $180 a father and son would drop on three college games, they can go to about 15 AHL games. Not hard to figure which one looks better.

 

[ND Hockey]

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Has it ever been proposed to have the 1 seeds host the regionals? You completely eliminate travel costs for 4 teams, are more likely to have fanbases interested in paying for tickets, and eliminate issues of 2, 3, and 4 seeds having home ice advantage.

Could make life harder for TV, but they don't do the best job anyway. May end up in some smaller venues, but if the big ones aren't selling out anyway.

The main problem with this is forcing venues to clear yet another weekend in addition to the two they have to keep available for conference tournaments. Ohio State doesn't even bother booking their home ice for the CCHA playoffs. Imagine the NCAA having to play a regional in OSU Ice Arena.

 

[bronconick]

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The pricing seems appropriate to me. Denver regular season games run almost $30 per game, and that's what the regional tickets cost....

Which is fine if you're hosting regionals on home ice, and I imagine Denver is near the top as far as ticket prices go.

The idea of a neutral site is that you're going to get a chunk from the schools, and the rest filled in by local fans. Those fans aren't going to shell out $30 per game, or +$90 for the weekend. The fans of the other 40-odd schools that pay less than $30 per game for the season are also more likely to balk at the price.

I mean, hell, the Detroit Red Wings run specials during their games offering 4 tickets for $44. Granted, they're undoubtedly up near the rafters, but maybe some of these sites need to consider more graduated pricing to lure some more local interest and attedence. Lord knows Grand Rapids last year would have had more of an atmosphere if they had sold a couple thousand of the upper deck tickets for $10 a game.

 

[IrishHockeyFan]

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The pricing seems appropriate to me. Denver regular season games run almost $30 per game, and that's what the regional tickets cost....

Compared to what some pay for regular season tickets and if YOUR team is in a particular regional the price may be appropriate, but in the greater context I'm not sure it is. Notre Dame single game tickets are $12-14 a game, and half that for kids under 12 and people over either 55 or 60. With a season ticket discount it is even cheaper. Fans saw the prices for tickets to the Fort Wayne regional, $87 for all session and 46 for a single day starting after the field was announced and decided in large part to say no thanks, especially as it became more and more apparent their team was staying home. In today's economic climate -- and especially in the land of 15%-20% unemployment -- small crowds were to be expected. I believe these tickets were somewhat overpriced.

 

[ck1969]

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We've been over this before. Here on the east coast there a lot more options, therefore the prices are lower. Both eastern regionals are being hosted in arenas where AHL teams play. For the same $180 a father and son would drop on three college games, they can go to about 15 AHL games. Not hard to figure which one looks better.

Excellent point. Not to mention the hot dogs, soda ,beer, etc etc etc. Turns more into a $300 weekend. And if you don't have a dog in the hunt, that's a ton of cash for 3 games.

 

[thebrain]

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Would it help if they cleared the building after the first game so you can sell single game tickets rather than buying both games in the semis?

 

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

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Ticket prices are way too high!! And why aren't there two price structures when in big arenas likes the Times Union Center. No way in halibut are the seats in upper levels anywhere near as good as the lower levels. $82 for three games when you might be in the upper sections.

I don't know about other leagues, but I know a lot of Hockey East fans go to the EOY Tournament at the Boston Garden every year. That's not an inexpensive endeavor either. I have friends that would be crucified by their wives if they took off for another weekend and spending that kind of money again.

Here's a frame of reference for me -- The America East Basketball tournament (combined men's and women's this year) with 13 games at the University of Hartford was $75. The Big East Women's Basketball Tournament with 16 teams participating over five days at the Hartford Civic Center is $99. I know I can go see the Hartford Wolfpack for under $15. I buy a season ticket to UNH Basketball for $60. I buy a season ticket for UNH Football for $85.

$45 for one college hockey game today in Albany. And then throw in parking, food, hotel, gas, etc.

 

[gdart_s]

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The main problem with this is forcing venues to clear yet another weekend in addition to the two they have to keep available for conference tournaments. Ohio State doesn't even bother booking their home ice for the CCHA playoffs. Imagine the NCAA having to play a regional in OSU Ice Arena.

One would have to assume the Buckeyes could even earn a one seed but point made. Empty buildings all over the country this weekend wouldn't make anybody happy.

 

[MagnessMan]

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I think the regionals need to be moved to other venues (in the east anyway) besides the same ol Albany & Worcester. Manchester is OK. Portland Maine would make an awesome location. Close to the Boston fan base. Ton of bars, restaurants and hotels all within walking distance of the civic center. On the ocean. Something needs to be done. It looked like there were 2000 in Albany. Sad. Move it around and shake it up a little. I think that would help. Draw a little more interest traveling to a different place besides the same two cities every year.

The Times Union article today says there was about 4100 people there. I think tonight it will be more like 2500 because Cornell had the biggest fan base. I think Albany is not a good venue. The city has nothing going on. I know they select it because it geographically central but other then that it's a wash.

There is no real simple solution. College hockey will never draw big crowds at the regional level. Playing in semi pro rinks doesn't work for me. The ice was awful here in Albany yesterday.

 

[achillesrink-3-7-5]

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The ticket prices are a big factor keeping me from Albany this weekend. Plus, I would have had to miss most of the first game before I could get there. If the prices keep me away, as a long-time college hockey fan and tournament regular who once went to all games in both the Worcester and Providence regionals in the same year, they're definitely not going to get the casual fan looking for a fun night of hockey.

 

[blockski]

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If Olympic hockey can be played like that, college hockey can. Not to mention the high school tournaments that play 4 in a day.

As noted, the Olympics only played 3 games a day in one venue - the 4th game was in the other venue. They also were either playing without overtime at all (in the opening round) or with a short OT and a shootout in the later rounds.

The other factor is the fans - turning around a building of that size isn't as easy for a full college crowd as it is for a high school crowd.

4 games a day isn't realistically possible.

Has it ever been proposed to have the 1 seeds host the regionals? You completely eliminate travel costs for 4 teams, are more likely to have fanbases interested in paying for tickets, and eliminate issues of 2, 3, and 4 seeds having home ice advantage.

Could make life harder for TV, but they don't do the best job anyway. May end up in some smaller venues, but if the big ones aren't selling out anyway.

There are also a whole host of logistical issues. You'd basically have to ask teams with multipurpose or leased arenas to block that space out well in advance. That's not easy to do if you're going to keep the regionals on fixed dates. Likewise, what happens if a team earns a #1 seed with an arena that's not suited to host 4 teams in a regional? You need the requisite number of locker rooms, seats, etc.

The pricing seems appropriate to me. Denver regular season games run almost $30 per game, and that's what the regional tickets cost....

With all due respect, the evidence is right in front of your eyes, Swami. And that's a lot of empty seats.

You also have to remember that it's not just the hockey game, but travel on short notice for fans - the expenses add up fast.

 

[GB Puck Fan]

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While its hard to be critical of a host - and a place like the Xcel is fantastic - 7300 people in Green Bay next would be a much better atmosphere than last night.

Now, I say fully knowing if Wisconsin isn't there, such a crowd might be tough to come by. Point is, with no guarantee of the Gophers, an 18000 seat bdg might be the issue as much as format.

The St Louis regional scares me attendance-wise.

I like 16 teams and this format. But maybe 8000-12000 seat bdgs are more appropriate.

 

[Priceless]

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And then there's Fort Wayne, which Paula has estimated at 2,000. Assume attendance improves for the Michigan game...3000 people won't be great atmosphere.

 

[blockski]

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I like 16 teams and this format. But maybe 8000-12000 seat bdgs are more appropriate.

I'd certainly agree - the high prices are only exacerbated by all the excess tickets floating around.

The problem, however, is the NCAA's preference for off-campus sites. You're not going to find too many 8,000 seat rinks that are well positioned to draw college hockey fans that aren't already someone's home rink.

The NCAA can't have it both ways - if they want butts in the seats, then you're likely going to end up with situations where a host school will have advantages over higher seeds.

Put yesterday's crowd from the X into Mariucci and you'd have a much better atmosphere.

 

[rufus]

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How's this format:

Friday in Worcester:
RS1: Denver vs RIT 4pm
RS2: Cornell vs UNH 7pm

Saturday in Worcester:
RS3: Boston College vs Alaska 1pm
RS4: North Dakota vs Yale 4pm

Sunday in Worcester:
RF1: RIT vs UNH 1pm
RF2: BC/UAF vs UND/Yale 4pm

Friday in St Paul:
RS1: Miami vs UAH 5pm
RS2: Bemidji vs Michigan 8pm

Saturday in St Paul:
RS3: Wisconsin vs Vermont 2pm
RS4: St Cloud vs NMU 5pm

Sunday in St Paul:
RF1: Miami/UAH vs BSU/UM 3pm
RF2: Wisconsin vs St Cloud 6pm

The only problem I see here is too much overlap for TV schedules. Not sure whether that matters to the NCAA.

What bugs me is every regional I've been to in Albany, it's like the city has no clue that anything's even taking place in town. No banners or anything set up ahead of time around the arena, nothing to stir up interest, and I remember one year wandering all up and down Pearl Street and the surrounding area Saturday, or maybe a Sunday, morning trying to find some place open where you could get something to eat before the early game started. None of the businesses either knew, or cared, enough to open early to cater to the numbers of fans who would be there for the games.

 

[Patman]

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The only problem I see here is too much overlap for TV schedules. Not sure whether that matters to the NCAA.

What bugs me is every regional I've been to in Albany, it's like the city has no clue that anything's even taking place in town. No banners or anything set up ahead of time around the arena, nothing to stir up interest, and I remember one year wandering all up and down Pearl Street and the surrounding area Saturday, or maybe a Sunday, morning trying to find some place open where you could get something to eat before the early game started. None of the businesses either knew, or cared, enough to open early to cater to the numbers of fans who would be there for the games.

is that's a concern you can either stagger the friday games by 2 hours and/or tweak the saturday/sunday games a bit more... the only issue with late sunday games are in relation to travelling fans and teams returning for monday but generally i don't think its a critical flaw.

To me the big thing is that under the old system you had 4 games... now you have 3 so it becomes a bit less of an event for an outsider. I'd like to see the 8 team regionals as discussed because they would have people around and make it more of an event altogether.

The big question is does two 4000 attendence figures line up with 1 7,000 attendance figure?

I know Worcester can be banged out... I've seen it... but who knows to be honest.