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I think that is what they have been doing in practice. Even if they get the call wrong, at least nobody is taking a slash to the throat in the process.
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NCAA ice hockey rule change prediction & discussion thread
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Re: NCAA ice hockey rule change prediction & discussion thread
On second thought, though, there's still an issue in practice. Contrary to the cynical views often heard the stands, the refs want very much to get the calls right. The type of judgment call we're talking about can be both difficult and game-altering. I'm sure that skating over to an angry coach only to say, "Sorry, the video stinks, nothing we can do" must be both frustrating and stressful. Viewed that way, wanting to take this particular controversy out of the game is understandable. Unfortunately, as per the last several posts, it's not the best thing for our sport.
That's what I thought too -- until I read the announcement. But consider: If that is the standard, and the video is completely inadequate, where's the problem? It's an extremely easy decision; the call stands.
On second thought, though, there's still an issue in practice. Contrary to the cynical views often heard the stands, the refs want very much to get the calls right. The type of judgment call we're talking about can be both difficult and game-altering. I'm sure that skating over to an angry coach only to say, "Sorry, the video stinks, nothing we can do" must be both frustrating and stressful. Viewed that way, wanting to take this particular controversy out of the game is understandable. Unfortunately, as per the last several posts, it's not the best thing for our sport.
Exactly.Even if they get the call wrong, at least nobody is taking a slash to the throat in the process.
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driventoit
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Re: NCAA ice hockey rule change prediction & discussion thread
If "experimental" means exhibition games only, what coach in his/her right mind is going to endorse for one or two pre-season games a practice (high sticking) that leads to penalties and/or injuries in the regular season? So, there's likely to be little or no "data" to analyze, which of course is a good thing in this case.
If "experimental" means exhibition games only, what coach in his/her right mind is going to endorse for one or two pre-season games a practice (high sticking) that leads to penalties and/or injuries in the regular season? So, there's likely to be little or no "data" to analyze, which of course is a good thing in this case.
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brookyone
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http://www.uscho.com/2014/09/15/preseason-clinic-gets-officials-up-to-speed-shows-theyre-human/
http://www.uscho.com/2014/09/15/preseason-clinic-gets-officials-up-to-speed-shows-theyre-human/
Re: NCAA ice hockey rule change prediction & discussion thread
"It’s no secret that referees take offense to attempts to deceive them with a dramatic fall. In addressing the group, Piotrowski calls it 'a disgrace to the game' that needs to be eliminated through a collective effort of officials, coaches and players."
Too bad they don't have the same attitude in the game of soccer! There's so much diving and embellishment that goes on that it's laughable.
"It’s no secret that referees take offense to attempts to deceive them with a dramatic fall. In addressing the group, Piotrowski calls it 'a disgrace to the game' that needs to be eliminated through a collective effort of officials, coaches and players."
Too bad they don't have the same attitude in the game of soccer! There's so much diving and embellishment that goes on that it's laughable.
Timothy A
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Re: NCAA ice hockey rule change prediction & discussion thread
Madison Packer bumped into a UMD goalie last year above the circles and the UMD goalie went down so fast it was laughable and we did laugh. Then we were privileged to hear F bombs to the 9th degree for the rest of the period that would make a hardened sailor blush out of a certain coach's mouth.
"It’s no secret that referees take offense to attempts to deceive them with a dramatic fall. In addressing the group, Piotrowski calls it 'a disgrace to the game' that needs to be eliminated through a collective effort of officials, coaches and players."
Too bad they don't have the same attitude in the game of soccer! There's so much diving and embellishment that goes on that it's laughable.
Madison Packer bumped into a UMD goalie last year above the circles and the UMD goalie went down so fast it was laughable and we did laugh. Then we were privileged to hear F bombs to the 9th degree for the rest of the period that would make a hardened sailor blush out of a certain coach's mouth.
driventoit
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Re: NCAA ice hockey rule change prediction & discussion thread
Yeah, especially when Brown plays Maine . . . Oops! Sorry. I must have stumbled onto the wrong thread.
Too bad they don't have the same attitude in the game of soccer! There's so much diving and embellishment that goes on that it's laughable.
Yeah, especially when Brown plays Maine . . . Oops! Sorry. I must have stumbled onto the wrong thread.
driventoit
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Re: NCAA ice hockey rule change prediction & discussion thread
But yes, for sure, the one flaw in an otherwise near-perfect game. Too much wasted time and lost momentum, to say nothing of bad acting, but these are pros, after all. It would be a crime to have that infect women's hockey (though the helmets would spare us the fake grimaces). But how many times do we actually see it in any given hockey game, apart from those tripping calls/no-calls where sometimes neither party really knows what happened? There's more self-policing, because so much more self-respect, in women's hockey. But the refs (or the rules committee) must be seeing something.
Too bad they don't have the same attitude in the game of soccer! There's so much diving and embellishment that goes on that it's laughable.
But yes, for sure, the one flaw in an otherwise near-perfect game. Too much wasted time and lost momentum, to say nothing of bad acting, but these are pros, after all. It would be a crime to have that infect women's hockey (though the helmets would spare us the fake grimaces). But how many times do we actually see it in any given hockey game, apart from those tripping calls/no-calls where sometimes neither party really knows what happened? There's more self-policing, because so much more self-respect, in women's hockey. But the refs (or the rules committee) must be seeing something.
HockeyEast33
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Re: NCAA ice hockey rule change prediction & discussion thread
I see it being more of an issue in the men's game, which I believe they were addressing in this pre-season training. Even there it's by no means common, but over the course of the season you do see it every now and then.
brookyone
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Re: NCAA ice hockey rule change prediction & discussion thread
http://www.uscho.com/from-the-press...s-seasons-changes-with-the-ncaas-rules-video/
http://www.uscho.com/from-the-press...s-seasons-changes-with-the-ncaas-rules-video/
driventoit
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Re: NCAA ice hockey rule change prediction & discussion thread
Re High Sticking:
"Rationale. Strong support in the women’s ice hockey community exists to allow play to continue in these cases. Rules remain that protect student-athlete safety and will continue to be strictly enforced."
If true, any idea where this "strong support" is coming from?
Re High Sticking:
"Rationale. Strong support in the women’s ice hockey community exists to allow play to continue in these cases. Rules remain that protect student-athlete safety and will continue to be strictly enforced."
If true, any idea where this "strong support" is coming from?
Re: NCAA ice hockey rule change prediction & discussion thread
Yep. Haven't heard of anyone, including players, who think otherwise.
Merely change for change sake...and dangerous. Must have been bored up there in the ivory tower.
Yep. Haven't heard of anyone, including players, who think otherwise.
Merely change for change sake...and dangerous. Must have been bored up there in the ivory tower.
Hux
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Re: NCAA ice hockey rule change prediction & discussion thread
Nah, I am sure they see this as a way to eliminate stoppages and speed up play...ya know, since it happens so often each game, and a stick raised up over one's head is really no threat to anyone on the ice.
Nah, I am sure they see this as a way to eliminate stoppages and speed up play...ya know, since it happens so often each game, and a stick raised up over one's head is really no threat to anyone on the ice.
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For sure. 2 hours is way too long for a hockey game....it's so annoying that those men's IM games afterward have to start so late. That extra 5 minutes saved will make a world of difference.
:roll eyes: As soon as they get sued though they might reconsider.
Nah, I am sure they see this as a way to eliminate stoppages and speed up play...ya know, since it happens so often each game, and a stick raised up over one's head is really no threat to anyone on the ice.
For sure. 2 hours is way too long for a hockey game....it's so annoying that those men's IM games afterward have to start so late. That extra 5 minutes saved will make a world of difference.
:roll eyes: As soon as they get sued though they might reconsider.
AggiesHockey
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Re: NCAA ice hockey rule change prediction & discussion thread
Saw a check from behind Saturday that sent a player crashing head-first into the boards. After impact, she got up, skated a couple strides, then collapsed and remained on the ice for several minutes before being assisted off. Diagnosis was a concussion. Ref called a charging infraction on the play, 2 minute minor.
Question: isn't there a requirement that injury-causing plays result in a major or game disqualification?
Comment: I would think any infraction that sends an opponent's head into the boards would be an automatic major / dq. Good that the ref called something, but I think they too often use minor penalties as a cop-out. A minor placates folks because something was called, but avoiding major calls on head-impact plays fails to send a strong message. Rules committees can talk about seriousness of concussions, but unless refs have the bollocks to appropriately assess major penalties, they're not going to cut down on dangerous plays along the boards.
Saw a check from behind Saturday that sent a player crashing head-first into the boards. After impact, she got up, skated a couple strides, then collapsed and remained on the ice for several minutes before being assisted off. Diagnosis was a concussion. Ref called a charging infraction on the play, 2 minute minor.
Question: isn't there a requirement that injury-causing plays result in a major or game disqualification?
Comment: I would think any infraction that sends an opponent's head into the boards would be an automatic major / dq. Good that the ref called something, but I think they too often use minor penalties as a cop-out. A minor placates folks because something was called, but avoiding major calls on head-impact plays fails to send a strong message. Rules committees can talk about seriousness of concussions, but unless refs have the bollocks to appropriately assess major penalties, they're not going to cut down on dangerous plays along the boards.
Re: NCAA ice hockey rule change prediction & discussion thread
There's always a fine line between when the official will call checking from behind vs. a boarding minor. In the case of charging, the referee has the option to call it a minor or a major, but I am not sure if the major includes the automatic game misconduct.
There is a "checking from behind" major penalty that includes an automatic game misconduct (ejection from the current game, but not a game disqualification that includes an additional one-game suspension).
There's always a fine line between when the official will call checking from behind vs. a boarding minor. In the case of charging, the referee has the option to call it a minor or a major, but I am not sure if the major includes the automatic game misconduct.